YoloinOhio Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 I'm not saying Whaley should get fired, I don't think that at all. I think they let Whaley do his job but the way this is being described is that their is dysfunction within the organization. If there really was as much dysfunction as Graham has you believe and the Bills GM is "going rogue" isn't it possible the owners look bad for doing nothing about it. i don't see how they look bad. He said they consulted them, they signed off on it, whatever the heck "rogue" means we do not know but my guess is Rex wanted to try to keep him and Whaley didn't find a way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 #generalmanagergate #doinghisjobgate #berategate #greatgate #ReynoldsWrapGate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snorom Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 #generalmanagergate #doinghisjobgate #berategate #greatgate #ReynoldsWrapGate #gotanaxtogrindgate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobu Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 #roguegate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 (edited) Ha ha, we weren't allowed to use players in our marketing because the one year we had to re-do all of the in stadium stuff and leave the antiquated stuff printed at the beginning of he season (promos, tickets, etc..). It was a disaster and the owner was PISSED (Shinn). It is a factor. I don't think that a decision is ever made based on that no but it is something that both sides should have been aware of. Take it as a lesson learned.i could definitely see that being a headache. i mean, how often do we see guys that are cut even in team calenders, on tickets, gameday ads, etc..... it can be awkward. the sponsor should likewise be aware of the risk when they single out a player for feature. what im having a hard time wrapping my head around is what the expectation from the team would be -- surely not keeping the guy. so that leaves telling sponsors in advance who is on the block? or simply communicating with them once the decision is made? or something broader like a general warning when signing the deal that guys could move, so choose wisely if featuring individuals? Edited September 2, 2015 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 I'm not saying Whaley should get fired, I don't think that at all. I think they let Whaley do his job but the way this is being described is that their is dysfunction within the organization. If there really was as much dysfunction as Graham has you believe and the Bills GM is "going rogue" isn't it possible the owners look bad for doing nothing about it. Youre really going to trust Tim Graham to be completely honest and on the level about that? Or is there a better chance he is exaggerating and making up problems since that is the only thing he know's how to report on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 #getdafuqoveritgate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 i don't see how they look bad. He said they consulted them, they signed off on it, whatever the heck "rogue" means we do not know but my guess is Rex wanted to try to keep him and Whaley didn't find a way. I agree. I don't think they look bad at all. I think they agree with the cut and are letting Whaley shape the roster. If I had to guess Graham used the word rogue purposefully because that's how he sees the situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Dog Named Kelso Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Maybe I missed this somewhere is this discussion but if Whaley went "rogue" and just made this decision without informing the Pegulas, his boss's, wouldn't he be fired and Fred offered his job back? ^^ This ^^ Also, if Whaley is truly on "thin ice" as people like to speculate(read Polian rumors) then he can't make this decision. He would probably have a hard time getting a job too if it had been know that this occurred. People want football people to make football decisions(I am not sure this is), and Whaley is telling up it is, then the fans finally have what they wanted. Correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 As for Fred's public statement that Whaley wasn't honest with him, there is no way in the world I would believe that Fred is a liar. If he says Whaley wasn't honest with him, I believe him. I worry that being branded as dishonest by a player with the reputation of Fred Jackson will not help Whaley attract future free agents. And let's not forget that Whaley got up on Monday and delivered quite a performance at the press conference. If what Fred is saying is correct, Whaley felt inclined to appear saddened over the decision, yet knew all along what he wanted to do. I guess if this football thing doesn't work out he can try some casting calls in Hollywood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Youre really going to trust Tim Graham to be completely honest and on the level about that? Or is there a better chance he is exaggerating and making up problems since that is the only thing he know's how to report on? Haha, of course I don't trust Graham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 By not having a determination of being "legally sane" as a prerequisite for joining this site? We've reached a level of nuttiness here the past two days I don't recall ever seeing on this board. Fire Whaley and 'rehire' FJ. Presumably with a public apology. Wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdog1960 Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 How the heck do they look like savvy owners when they let an employee fire another employee without their permission? have you ever owned a company? you are responsible for everything your employees do in the public eyes this is as public a mistake as there can be if it was in fact a mistake. the owner wisely doesn't take responsibility in the midst of a tornado of public anger. there is nothing to be gained. he leaves it alone. for a while... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobu Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 I agree. I don't think they look bad at all. I think they agree with the cut and are letting Whaley shape the roster. If I had to guess Graham used the word rogue purposefully because that's how he sees the situation. Graham is a tool. he is exaggerating and making up problems since that is the only thing he know's how to report on? Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdog1960 Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 We've reached a level of nuttiness here the past two days I don't recall ever seeing on this board. Fire Whaley and 'rehire' FJ. Presumably with a public apology. Wow. agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 I'm not saying Whaley should get fired, I don't think that at all. I think they let Whaley do his job but the way this is being described is that their is dysfunction within the organization. If there really was as much dysfunction as Graham has you believe and the Bills GM is "going rogue" isn't it possible the owners look bad for doing nothing about it. for all we know, grahams source is leroi. i would hope that we have owners that make decisions based on whats happening in the building, and not twitter. IF (all caps, big time IF) there is a major issue brewing, sure they should handle it. behind closed doors. Imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 #getdafuqoveritgate #wedontalwaysgetwhatwewantsoifyoucantretireinbuffalowewantyoutohavetimetosignonwithanotherteamandthankyouforallyourservicegate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Dog Named Kelso Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Whaley held a press conference and went on the John Murphy show and laid out what happened. He said Terry and Kim were consulted. People now think he is lying? Well that is the meat of Fred's statement. That he is dishonest, I guess in general. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 i could definitely see that being a headache. i mean, how often do we see guys that are cut even in team calenders, on tickets, gameday ads, etc..... it can be awkward. the sponsor should likewise be aware of the risk when they single out a player for feature. what im having a hard time wrapping my head around is what the expectation from the team would be -- surely not keeping the guy. so that leaves telling sponsors in advance who is on the block? or simply communicating with them once the decision is made? I agree with all of that. It is just a learning experience for all involved. Moving forward I am sure that the sponsor and marketing departments will be a little more cautious when putting this stuff together. As an example Watkins will almost certainly be here for a little while. There is a SMALL chance that Mario won't. Just be careful on the front end... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 #doinghisjobgate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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