The Wiz Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 Dominik said that Rex is just starting EJ to be fair and that he has no trade value...fwiw. He doesn't have any trade value since Whaley won't get anything close to what he cost initially. If he was able to pull off a 3rd rounder I would be surprised but I still don't think Whaley would pull the trigger on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 His trade value can't be all that high at this point in preseason. The showcase for a trade doesn't compute for me. It's not as if Cassel is the long term answer for the Bills and Tyrod is unproven at this juncture. Even if EJ is the 2nd or 3rd QB, the possibility of injury makes it prudent to keep all three given the dregs that would be available in the QB market. Exhibit A of said dregs: @AroundTheNFL Josh Johnson is the latest addition to the Jets' stable of quarterbacks http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000516730/article/backup-quarterback-news-roundup? any reasonably sane man can see the Bills best keep all three for various reasons. Even Cassel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 Dude, he's probably still #3. Everyone had/has him 3. Just watch the game on Saturday and form your own opinions. If it's so telling that EJ goes 1, are you guys gonna put a lot of stock into who goes 2? I'm not. I don't think it makes any difference at all. That may be true WRT #3. How about we let the coaches decide FTR who is everybody? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 Exhibit A of said dregs: @AroundTheNFL Josh Johnson is the latest addition to the Jets' stable of quarterbacks http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000516730/article/backup-quarterback-news-roundup? A bit surprising since Johnson played well in his preseason game for Cincy. Oh wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 (edited) That may be true WRT #3. How about we let the coaches decide FTR who is everybody? Do you know of a beat reporter or an analyst or anyone who is familiar with the Bills situation who didn't/doesn't have EJ third- both with respect to how he's played throughout camp as well as the perception of where the coaches have/had him based on reps, etc.? There is not one that I have heard. Edited August 28, 2015 by metzelaars_lives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloATL Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 (edited) It's fun to watch everyone speculate. IMO, this is really about them still not knowing who the QB is and deciding to give EJ a shot. The idea that they're having EJ play so they don't show their cards with the actual starter running the show is crazy. New QBs, new system, new coaches... If the starter had been decided he'd be playing the majority of the snaps this weekend. The benefit of practice reps far outweigh the element of surprise for one game. Edited August 28, 2015 by BuffaloATL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 28, 2015 Author Share Posted August 28, 2015 any reasonably sane man can see the Bills best keep all three for various reasons. Even Cassel Exactly what I posted. They should keep all three IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgia Bill Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 I predicted it, and think it's the right thing to do. Posted by Georgia Bill on 15 August 2015 - 10:02 AM in The Stadium Wall Tyrod starts preseason game 2 (known), and I think it's EJ second in that game. Then EJ starts preseason game 3, with Cassel second, because this is still a wide open competition and they have to see how all of them play with our starting OL and receivers, against opposing starting defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 Exactly what I posted. They should keep all three IMO. the we are in full agreement. i am quite pleased you have come around to My way of thinking at long last. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickelCity Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 Gotta keep the competition fair. Good move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 28, 2015 Author Share Posted August 28, 2015 the we are in full agreement. i am quite pleased you have come around to My way of thinking at long last. I haven't advocated getting rid of any of these guys. I just would rather see EJ or TT start as I've posted before.........ABC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 the we are in full agreement. i am quite pleased you have come around to My way of thinking at long last. I also want them to keep all three. Does anyone not want them to? A poster said a few weeks back that we can't afford to let this team become the 2014 Arizona Cardinals. I think we can win with any of these three guys- to varying extents, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 Of course Rex wants to win right away. But he also wants a long term answer at QB, and thus the reason for giving EJ a long look in pre season. I'm happy the coaches are giving this chance to EJ, and it doesn't matter who starts the season at QB. It only matters who plays well enough to get this team into the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 Of course Rex wants to win right away. But he also wants a long term answer at QB, and thus the reason for giving EJ a long look in pre season. I'm happy the coaches are giving this chance to EJ, and it doesn't matter who starts the season at QB. It only matters who plays well enough to get this team into the playoffs. I could go with that. What are we putting the odds at one guy starting all 16 games? 10%? Maybe 15? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 (edited) I haven't advocated getting rid of any of these guys. I just would rather see EJ or TT start as I've posted before.........ABC. I dont think you get my sense of humor yet 26. I really dont take any of this opinion or media stuff seriously. Just A Big Fan of Our Bills. I dont care if Cassel starts. Let Roman do his thang I also want them to keep all three. Does anyone not want them to? A poster said a few weeks back that we can't afford to let this team become the 2014 Arizona Cardinals. I think we can win with any of these three guys- to varying extents, of course. there was the dollars tied up with Cassel mentioned more than once. It was early on though. I also thought his pocket style might be a more difficult for the coaches. to transition from due to injury. TT and EJM are more alike, i might suppose I could go with that. What are we putting the odds at one guy starting all 16 games? 10%? Maybe 15? Depends on who the starter is doesn't it? But i would guess the Bills want the guy they pick to be much nearer 100% Edited August 28, 2015 by 3rdand12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockinon Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 Yeah, man. Like 25% of my gut tells me it's EJM, but then 35% of my gut says to me "no way, it's Cassel". And then outta nowhere, I get this feeling way deep down that says "hey man, get real...it's Tyrod". And get this, that feeling was 40%! Sounds like indigestion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 The Bills beat reporters are worthless. Completely worthless. They tweet out updates on every single snap, every single pass, and think that this qualifies as analysis. I purged my follows list this preseason because their reporting was insufferable. They all think they're comedians, too. The only one who's any good is Chris Trapasso of NFL.com because he actually offers some insight and keeps the juvenile commentary to a minimum. agree 100%. They think they are so hip and clever with their snark. It's obnoxious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 So we're up to starting him to trick another team into thinking he'd be good while hoping he won't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionallyUnstable Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 Wait, I thought we were gunna cut this guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 His trade value can't be all that high at this point in preseason. The showcase for a trade doesn't compute for me. It's not as if Cassel is the long term answer for the Bills and Tyrod is unproven at this juncture. Even if EJ is the 2nd or 3rd QB, the possibility of injury makes it prudent to keep all three given the dregs that would be available in the QB market. Exhibit A of said dregs: @AroundTheNFL Josh Johnson is the latest addition to the Jets' stable of quarterbacks http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000516730/article/backup-quarterback-news-roundup? or Rex Grossman to the Falcons or Pat Devlin to the Browns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockinon Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 Just heard on the John Murphy Show that this quote from a speech by Teddy Roosevelt hangs in EJ's locker: http://www.theodore-roosevelt.com/trsorbonnespeech.html That is awesome!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 That is awesome!!agreed. He's a solid, solid individual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 Wait, I thought we were gunna cut this guy That was the plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionallyUnstable Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 This gets me so jacked up. I can't wait for Saturday. EJ, please, step up to the plate and become the guy that everyone is hoping you can be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 This gets me so jacked up. I can't wait for Saturday. EJ, please, step up to the plate and become the guy that everyone is hoping you can be. again I will say i hope each of them continues to improve. Just says so much for our new Coaching Staff. Oh and i am very enthusiastic, have no doubt about that !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionallyUnstable Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 again I will say i hope each of them continues to improve. Just says so much for our new Coaching Staff. Oh and i am very enthusiastic, have no doubt about that !! It will be a real experience seeing actually coached players. I imagine we will be a much better second half team than we were last year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 Wesseling on nfl.com calls Rex a "hamfisted" QB coach in the category of Lovie Smith http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000517085/article/what-we-learned-bryant-bell-bans-sap-steelers-o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 It will be a real experience seeing actually coached players. I imagine we will be a much better second half team than we were last year so the first half not so much? is that what you are saying ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionallyUnstable Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 Wesseling on nfl.com calls Rex a "hamfisted" QB coach in the category of Lovie Smith http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000517085/article/what-we-learned-bryant-bell-bans-sap-steelers-o Right, but how important is it for TT, or any QB for that matter, when we are playing without a majority of our offensive fire power? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB3 Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 (edited) Do you know of a beat reporter or an analyst or anyone who is familiar with the Bills situation who didn't/doesn't have EJ third- both with respect to how he's played throughout camp as well as the perception of where the coaches have/had him based on reps, etc.? There is not one that I have heard. Chris Trapasso @ChrisTrapasso Big news. As I suggested all summer, QB battle was not just Tyrod/Cassel. EJ played well in camp/preseason games IMO Chris Trapasso @ChrisTrapasso Each #Bills QB had bad misses/off days. When I was at camp, EJ was most accurate/decisive 3/4 days. Showed most advanced QB'ing in preseason Chris Trapasso @ChrisTrapasso Def other #Bills media guys I respect who had different opinions than me on QBs this summer. Some had similar thoughts. All good either way. Chris Trapasso @ChrisTrapasso I'm certainly still sticking to my opinion...it just doesn't bother me if others have different opinions than I do Edited August 28, 2015 by LBSeeBallLBGetBall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionallyUnstable Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 so the first half not so much? is that what you are saying ? It was apparent to me that Doug and co. we're out coached at halftime. It seemed all too often that we would be hanging in a game and opponent half time adjustments put the nail in our coffin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSOL Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 Wesseling on nfl.com calls Rex a "hamfisted" QB coach in the category of Lovie Smith http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000517085/article/what-we-learned-bryant-bell-bans-sap-steelers-o Hamfisted is a word i MUST work into my everyday vocabulary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 (edited) Nah. Remember, he's just a rational realist. He told us so. Metz is a "rational realist"? This comes to mind Edited August 28, 2015 by Hopeful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 (edited) Right, but how important is it for TT, or any QB for that matter, when we are playing without a majority of our offensive fire power?Wesseling didn't do any research behind the headline before lazily exerting the tired "Rex doesn't know what to do with QBs" narrative. Second guessing him for this is an opinion but not a fact. EJ will have the 1st team OL and Fred, but otherwise will be missing the top 4 RBs and top 3 WRs. He's "going first" in what will be a 3 QB parade until they pull the 1st team OL. Edited August 28, 2015 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 Chris Trapasso @ChrisTrapasso Big news. As I suggested all summer, QB battle was not just Tyrod/Cassel. EJ played well in camp/preseason games IMO Chris Trapasso @ChrisTrapasso Each #Bills QB had bad misses/off days. When I was at camp, EJ was most accurate/decisive 3/4 days. Showed most advanced QB'ing in preseason Chris Trapasso @ChrisTrapasso Def other #Bills media guys I respect who had different opinions than me on QBs this summer. Some had similar thoughts. All good either way. Chris Trapasso @ChrisTrapasso I'm certainly still sticking to my opinion...it just doesn't bother me if others have different opinions than I do Thanks for sharing. So there is one. I'm just not buying he's looked the best in preseason. I think Taylor looked better in both games. And you couldn't really have done much better than what Cassel did in his two drives (OK not literally but he looked fine). I think all three have been good and that's a good thing for the Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB3 Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 Metz is a "rational realist"? This comes to mind Mandy Patinkin! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 (edited) Metz is a "rational realist"? This comes to mind Let me ask you this- what's the most irrational thing you've ever heard me say on this website? Seriously, I mean it. I mean, cute movie quote and all but am I really some crazy fringe poster that has all these wild and crazy out of leftfield ideas like 'EJ Manuel is less than likely to develop into a franchise QB?' Edited August 28, 2015 by metzelaars_lives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB3 Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 Thanks for sharing. So there is one. I'm just not buying he's looked the best in preseason. I think Taylor looked better in both games. And you couldn't really have done much better than what Cassel did in his two drives (OK not literally but he looked fine). I think all three have been good and that's a good thing for the Bills. Not just one. Trapasso said he knows media people who agree and disagree with him. He doesn't seem to be lying. As to the bolded, couldn't agree more. I personally think EJ looked slightly better, but that's splitting hairs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibs Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 25 pages in this thread alone, among the dozens of threads peppering this board and yet, still no resolution. it would be difficult to imagine the number of bites that have used here in debating quarterbacks since the Flutie-Johnson era. it's a wonder the intrawebs haven't run out of space. jw (apologies to all for attempting to hijack what i'm certain is a gripping discussion that's added 2 replies since i began typing this) Our HC trolling the media! The media trolling the fans! Everything is upside down! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 28, 2015 Author Share Posted August 28, 2015 Our HC trolling the media! The media trolling the fans! Everything is upside down! The media says EJ's middle name is Jason. They tried to kill and bury him, but he just won't die. They're terrified! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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