BuffaloHokie13 Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 No...that comes 3rd. Remember, there are 3 stages to every Pats* cheating scandal, and they happen in this order: Stage 1: "We didn't do it" Stage 2: "If we did it, then it didn't give us any competitive advantage" Stage 3: "If we did it, and it gave us a competitive advantage, then everyone else was doing it too" We haven't even hit Stage 1 on this one yet. New format: Stage 1: Public denial from all relevant parties Stage 2: Demand public apology from League Stage 3: Publicly agree to cooperate with the League despite plans to do otherwise Stage 4: Appeal the initial decision because the League hired someone to investigate, which obviously makes the findings biased Stage 5: Take the League to court to argue that there is no clear cut disciplinary action for placing live audio equipment in the visiting team's locker room Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaaadThingsMan Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Time to pound this team into the ground this year. Both times.Yes please! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewin Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 It will be alleged that McNally planted the bugs in the Locker Room. There will be no direct evidence linking Belicheat to the bugs. Belicheat will be only "generally aware" of all the information obtained by the bugs. This information will have been passed to Belicheat by a person nicknamed "The Bugger" aka "The Deflator" via a Mobile device. The Mobile device will be accidentally destroyed. Kraft will defend his Head Coach and deny everything. The Bugger will not be available to give evidence. Belicheat will be proven innocent and McNally will receive another suspension from the Pats. The Pats win Super Bowl L. "The Bugger" is actually pronounced Booger, and his nickname came not from placing illegal listening devices, but was rather for his proclivity for picking his nose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtDart Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Especially since it would mean we did such a crappy job of it over the past 15 years. Good point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeF Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 (edited) Yesterday the judge in the Brady hearing gave them a new excuse. The so-called "general knowledge" standard. The judge chastised the NFL for using a general knowledge standard in suspending Brady saying that it was not good enough. For altering of game equipment or any other competitive advantage the punished individual needed more than a general knowledge but a specific knowledge of the act to be punished. It was interesting.... I can hear Kraft, Belichick and Brady in a meeting with operations staff saying something like -- "Now we all know how much of an advantage it would be for the Patriots to have footballs deflated to Tom's liking, cameras installed at opposing team's walk throughs, eavesdropping devices planted in the opposing team's locker room, jamming devices in the opponent's on field communications gear and Aaron Hernandez shooting tapes piped into the opposing locker room--so we want to make sure none of you partake in any of these activities that would lead to more Super Bowl titles for us..." General knowledge of competitive advantage but no specific knowledge of an act.... Edited August 20, 2015 by JoeF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterpan Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 I have suggested that the Bills huddle at mid field during halftime, Home or away, when playing the pats. They cheat. Its obvious. Stay out on the field and dont even go into the locker room. When the press asked you why you did it, say "we dont trust the Pats*** and think they may have bugged out locker room" And those miraculous 2nd half comebacks the Pats are famous for?? Yea, I Guarantee those wont be !@#$ing happening anymore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Speaking of the Patriots and scumbags... @MicheleMcPhee: ##BREAKING #aaronhernandez back in solitary confinement after another prison fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Speaking of the Patriots and scumbags... @MicheleMcPhee: ##BREAKING #aaronhernandez back in solitary confinement after another prison fight. Yeah...but I can't really blame the Pats for Hernandez. Though in hindsight, I wish he'd tried an "I always destroy my home security system when I get a new one" defense, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Yeah...but I can't really blame the Pats for Hernandez. Though in hindsight, I wish he'd tried an "I always destroy my home security system when I get a new one" defense, That's where Brady got the idea!! I don't know if you can blame the Pats for Hernandez either. But there were several NFL teams that took him completely off their draft board because he was known to be a bad guy, and the reason he went in the fourth round was because he was known to be a bad guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 That's where Brady got the idea!! I don't know if you can blame the Pats for Hernandez either. But there were several NFL teams that took him completely off their draft board because he was known to be a bad guy, and the reason he went in the fourth round was because he was known to be a bad guy. Yeah, but the general idea there is, "if he doesn't tow the line then we'll cut him and we didn't invest much." I don't think it occurred to anybody that his "not towing the line" would be killing several people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Yeah, but the general idea there is, "if he doesn't tow the line then we'll cut him and we didn't invest much." I don't think it occurred to anybody that his "not towing the line" would be killing several people. True. And that is why I said I don't think you can completely blame them. But they are not blameless for him either, considering they knew he was a bad guy and drafted him anyway, he showed bad guy behavior when he was there as rookie, he showed more bad guy behavior after they gave him a huge contract, and they didn't do anything about it. I don't blame them, I blame him. I'm just not sure they are blameless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Yeah, but the general idea there is, "if he doesn't tow the line then we'll cut him and we didn't invest much." I don't think it occurred to anybody that his "not towing the line" would be killing several people. "Toe" the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 "Toe" the line. Easy, Rex.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Easy, Rex.... But that's what it is. Not "tow." "Toe." It's an old naval phrase...when you'd line up for divisions, you'd line up in a straight file by having everyone put their toes on the same line (a deck seam, for example.) So they would "toe" the "line." I want to find the idiot who decided it was actually "tow," and kick his ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbmu1977 Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Ban Robert Kraft from ownership, all this cheating has gone on under his watch. Take the team away if they can prove he knew what was going on with all of this crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talley56 Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 No...that comes 3rd. Remember, there are 3 stages to every Pats* cheating scandal, and they happen in this order: Stage 1: "We didn't do it" Stage 2: "If we did it, then it didn't give us any competitive advantage" Stage 3: "If we did it, and it gave us a competitive advantage, then everyone else was doing it too" We haven't even hit Stage 1 on this one yet. ha, painfully true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 But that's what it is. Not "tow." "Toe." It's an old naval phrase...when you'd line up for divisions, you'd line up in a straight file by having everyone put their toes on the same line (a deck seam, for example.) So they would "toe" the "line." I want to find the idiot who decided it was actually "tow," and kick his ass. Correct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountryCletus Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 It was the cameras in the shower that was picking up the audio.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrivefourfive Posted August 21, 2015 Author Share Posted August 21, 2015 Okay, Dan Patrick brought this topic up again today. I didn't watch any ESPN last night or hear the afternoon talk shows - Is this getting any news outside of the DP Show? I hear Rodney Harrison is very disappointed with Dungy's comments... Would it be that difficult for the NFL to ask Dungy to justify his comments...? He could just say, "NO!" But the NFL could also investigate further, and they'd have plenty of leads. To me, this is way way worse than the missing 1 pound of air pressure that could or couldn't've been caused by the most popular weather pattern in the New England area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K8prisoner Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 I'd like to know when the constant Pats** apologists are going to finally wake up and see this POS organization for what it is rather than defending the "genius" of Belichick. They're a lying, cheating, win-at-all-costs trash heap. Steal opponents' signals. Tape their practices. Bug their locker room. Deflate the footballs so your team doesn't fumble as much. At some point it ceases to be "sour grapes" from opposing fans... awesome... finally I don't cringe reading posts about the scum pat#$% and their paid propagandists....I will read on and hope for more sanity... Okay, Dan Patrick brought this topic up again today. I didn't watch any ESPN last night or hear the afternoon talk shows - Is this getting any news outside of the DP Show? I hear Rodney Harrison is very disappointed with Dungy's comments... Would it be that difficult for the NFL to ask Dungy to justify his comments...? He could just say, "NO!" But the NFL could also investigate further, and they'd have plenty of leads. To me, this is way way worse than the missing 1 pound of air pressure that could or couldn't've been caused by the most popular weather pattern in the New England area. we are all sick of 15 years of fake success and double dealing without honor.. Yeah...but I can't really blame the Pats for Hernandez. Though in hindsight, I wish he'd tried an "I always destroy my home security system when I get a new one" defense, sure you can, culture breeds like behavior... hernandez just had a wider boundry and learned attention to detail... nobody lies like kraft and billy boy though, the truth always comes out... thanks ... this is the attitudethe team and 70k needs to have on game day.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 (edited) We're five pages in and no one has written whether the accusers had any idea whether their beliefs were based in reality? There is NO evidence that the Pats bugged other teams locker rooms. I do realize that the intensity level of Pats hating on this board now more or less matches that of Bills fandom, but jeez. I recommend watching Rodney Harrison's comments about this: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/08/21/report-colts-sweep-for-bugs-in-locker-room-when-at-gillette-stadium/ . Edited August 21, 2015 by dave mcbride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justnzane Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 We're five pages in and no one has written whether the accusers had any idea whether their beliefs were based in reality? There is NO evidence that the Pats bugged other teams locker rooms. I do realize that the intensity level of Pats hating on this board now more or less matches that of Bills fandom, but jeez. I thought this was covered as part of the allegations of Spygate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 (edited) I thought this was covered as part of the allegations of Spygate As far as I know, there is zero evidence proving that the Pats did this. Edited August 21, 2015 by dave mcbride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justnzane Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 As far as I know, there is zero evidence proving that the Pats did this. I doubt former * players would give then-current coaches bad intel knowingly. The **** could have easily removed cams/mics before inspection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 I doubt former * players would give then-current coaches bad intel knowingly. The **** could have easily removed cams/mics before inspection. Watch the link above. Why would any of the Patriots players have any idea that this happened? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justnzane Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Dave trusting Rodney Harrison with anything incriminating against his former teams is like trusting Mike Tyson with human cartilage. Based on being caught cheating twice in the last decade in a systemic way, I'd be inclined to err on the side of caution. Besides, hiding mics/cameras in the walls, vents, etc... is not that hard. That is how the creeps and gov't get away with snooping on unsuspecting people. As I said before, I was under the understanding of Spygate that the spying took part with video equipment on the field, audio bugging of the coaches, and hacking into the other teams' audio equipment. The Colts will not find anything as there is advanced warning to remove the bugs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Watch the link above. Why would any of the Patriots players have any idea that this happened? Would Peyton Manning really do what he did unless he thought it was a serious threat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Would Peyton Manning really do what he did unless he thought it was a serious threat? Evidence that this actually occurred? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Evidence that this actually occurred? Chances are you are never going to get evidence for something like that. Do you want to go on public record as saying you believe the Patriots would not do this versus Peyton Manning? Do you want to believe Rodney Harrison over Peyton Manning? I understand that people throw around accusations that sometimes aren't true but seriously, without finding smoking gun guilt, which is never going to happen, which do you truly believe, Dave McBride, is MORE likely to have happened, the Patriots were completely innocent of this and Manning was way paranoid for no good reason because there was no proof, or the Patriots likely bugged the locker room and Manning was being prudent to not speak inside it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 (edited) Chances are you are never going to get evidence for something like that. Do you want to go on public record as saying you believe the Patriots would not do this versus Peyton Manning? Do you want to believe Rodney Harrison over Peyton Manning? I understand that people throw around accusations that sometimes aren't true but seriously, without finding smoking gun guilt, which is never going to happen, which do you truly believe, Dave McBride, is MORE likely to have happened, the Patriots were completely innocent of this and Manning was way paranoid for no good reason because there was no proof, or the Patriots likely bugged the locker room and Manning was being prudent to not speak inside it. I think it may have happened, but I also think that Manning is a supremely paranoid player (most perfectionists at the top of a dog-eat-dog profession are) and he may well have been overreacting. I don't know the answer to that, and neither do you. In my mind, both explanations are equally plausible. I found what Harrison said about playing a basic cover 2 to make perfect sense. That's my memory of those games, actually, and he's right about Manning calling the plays at the line based on what he sees. Edited August 21, 2015 by dave mcbride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Chances are you are never going to get evidence for something like that. Do you want to go on public record as saying you believe the Patriots would not do this versus Peyton Manning? Do you want to believe Rodney Harrison over Peyton Manning? I understand that people throw around accusations that sometimes aren't true but seriously, without finding smoking gun guilt, which is never going to happen, which do you truly believe, Dave McBride, is MORE likely to have happened, the Patriots were completely innocent of this and Manning was way paranoid for no good reason because there was no proof, or the Patriots likely bugged the locker room and Manning was being prudent to not speak inside it. Well, Harrison is on record. Is Manning on record saying he thinks the locker room was bugged? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Well, Harrison is on record. Is Manning on record saying he thinks the locker room was bugged? Like you can believe anything Rodney Harrison says. I doubt very much Manning said anything on the record about it. First I heard of it was 2010 when Peter King said it. I havent read any articles in the last couple days about it, just say a headline and a few posts from people here. So I don't even know what they are specifically talking about right now. In 2010, King said... I've always heard, reliably, that the Colts never trusted that they were totally alone in the Colts' locker room in Foxboro, and that when Manning had something of strategic significance to say to offensive coordinator Tom Moore, they both stepped outside into the concourse outside the locker room. So if you're outside the locker room Sunday, don't be surprised to see Manning and his first-year coordinator, Christensen, huddling for a few minutes. To me I have no idea and surely no proof they did anything. This is an old story. Just ever since "Just give it to 'em" I hav e been suspicious and don't trust them. I don't think they do all of the stuff they are accused of but probably most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Like you can believe anything Rodney Harrison says. I doubt very much Manning said anything on the record about it. First I heard of it was 2010 when Peter King said it. I havent read any articles in the last couple days about it, just say a headline and a few posts from people here. So I don't even know what they are specifically talking about right now. In 2010, King said... To me I have no idea and surely no proof they did anything. This is an old story. Just ever since "Just give it to 'em" I hav e been suspicious and don't trust them. I don't think they do all of the stuff they are accused of but probably most. Away from the point. Why doesn't someone just ask Manning if he really thought they bugged the locker room, or if he was just paranoid. He can go on record right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Away from the point. Why doesn't someone just ask Manning if he really thought they bugged the locker room, or if he was just paranoid. He can go on record right now. Because he would be an idiot to say yes, opening up a can of worms that cannot be proven or closed, even more an idiot than you for suggesting he could or should or would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Because he would be an idiot to say yes, opening up a can of worms that cannot be proven or closed, even more an idiot than you for suggesting he could or should or would. So you're saying Manning wouldn't aswer truthfully and back up his old HC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 So you're saying Manning wouldn't aswer truthfully and back up his old HC? Under no circumstances would Peyton Manning say "Yes. I thought the Patriots were bugging the lockerrooms so we had our conversations outside of it." Yes. That's exactly what I am saying. He's Peyton Manning. Why would he POSSIBLY do something so stupid and have reporters asking him about it every day for the next six months, and all of Patriot Nation calling him a liar and saying he has always had it out for them, and 100,000 fools saying where is the proof?! You know how you can never say never? NEVER. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Under no circumstances would Peyton Manning say "Yes. I thought the Patriots were bugging the lockerrooms so we had our conversations outside of it." Yes. That's exactly what I am saying. He's Peyton Manning. Why would he POSSIBLY do something so stupid and have reporters asking him about it every day for the next six months, and all of Patriot Nation calling him a liar and saying he has always had it out for them, and 100,000 fools saying where is the proof?! You know how you can never say never? NEVER. What if they say "hey Peyton, Tony Dungy says you used to have meetings outside the visiting locker room at NE because you thought it was bugged. Is Tony correct?" What's he going to say? Tony's wrong? No comment (same as a "yes i agree with Tony")? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 What if they say "hey Peyton, Tony Dungy says you used to have meetings outside the visiting locker room at NE because you thought it was bugged. Is Tony correct?" What's he going to say? Tony's wrong? No comment (same as a "yes i agree with Tony")? Whatever he says is going to be a joke or diplomatic or non committal. He's Peyton freaking Manning. And no, no comment is not at all the same as "yes I agree with Tony," No comment is "What are you fukking, WEO? You that dumb? I'm not going to answer that stupid trick gotcha question and allow you guys to jump all over me and my old coach." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 There is another interpretation of this whole thing: the Colts are the most whiny organization in modern NFL history. They seem to always be looking to blame the Pats for subterfuge even when the Pats kick their collective asses repeatedly. Their owner is a joke too. I get the dislike of the Pats - I really do - but my god I'm tired of the Colts whining about everything. Recall that they whined and cried about defensive holding in the 2003 AFC championship game, implying that it was somehow the Pats' fault that the officials weren't calling defensive holding on every play. Yet they were pretty much dominated in that game, and dominated even worse in the 2004 playoffs (losing 20-3). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 There is another interpretation of this whole thing: the Colts are the most whiny organization in modern NFL history. They seem to always be looking to blame the Pats for subterfuge even when the Pats kick their collective asses repeatedly. Their owner is a joke too. I get the dislike of the Pats - I really do - but my god I'm tired of the Colts whining about everything. Recall that they whined and cried about defensive holding in the 2003 AFC championship game, implying that it was somehow the Pats' fault that the officials weren't calling defensive holding on every play. Yet they were pretty much dominated in that game, and dominated even worse in the 2004 playoffs (losing 20-3). Totally agree with this... no question about whiny... no question about their owner... I don't think Dungy comes across as whiny, although I don't always agree with him at all... And Peyton isn't IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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