YoloinOhio Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 Cian Fahey breaks down Taylor's performance vs Panthers and why he's the favorite for the Bills QB @Cianaf: Breaking Down Tyrod Taylor and why he's the favourite for the starting job in Buffalo http://t.co/tVjDR1ecQQ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 Cian Fahey breaks down Taylor's performance vs Panthers and why he's the favorite for the Bills QB @Cianaf: Breaking Down Tyrod Taylor and why he's the favourite for the starting job in Buffalo http://t.co/tVjDR1ecQQ Nice...I like Fahey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 17, 2015 Author Share Posted August 17, 2015 Nice...I like Fahey I considered throwing it in another thread, but he's a legit, well-respected analyst so wanted to make sure it didn't get buried .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Bills Fan Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 Good read CBF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 Cian has been waiting months to write this. He's not shy in admitting that he's a huge Tyrod homer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 That got me even more excited for Thursday, thanks for posting! (It is in the TT isn't a one read QB thread too, btw) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 17, 2015 Author Share Posted August 17, 2015 That got me even more excited for Thursday, thanks for posting! (It is in the TT isn't a one read QB thread too, btw)oops I didn't go in that thread, mods can merge if needed)Cian has been waiting months to write this. He's not shy in admitting that he's a huge Tyrod homer.ah I didn't realize that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 ah I didn't realize that Still a good read regardless but Cian has been notoriously anti-EJ (almost to the point of being a broken record). I think Cian's Irish eyes are covered by slightly rose-tinted lenses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 Cian Fahey breaks down Taylor's performance vs Panthers and why he's the favorite for the Bills QB @Cianaf: Breaking Down Tyrod Taylor and why he's the favourite for the starting job in Buffalo http://t.co/tVjDR1ecQQ Thanks! Very nice work by Fahey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cugalabanza Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 (edited) Great little article. I've been skeptical about TT, because I worry if the league has caught up to this style of QB play, but I'm beginning to trust Roman and TT to pick their spots to run intelligently. I still worry if TT's body can stand up to the extra hits and mileage, but we will see. I love it that TT seems to have made that jump up in terms of field vision, ability to read the coverages and make good decisions very fast. I hope he keeps it up this Thursday. We might have our man. Edited August 17, 2015 by Cugalabanza Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtDart Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 That got me even more excited for Thursday, thanks for posting! (It is in the TT isn't a one read QB thread too, btw) We shall see game two. I think he is a one trick, run first pony. He is too small (here comes the Russell Wilson argument), and doesn't have good touch on his long ball. I do think that he is a better option than Cassel, if they don't start EJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zonabb Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 Horrible piece with such egregious bias its no wonder I've never heard of this guy. The armchair analyst era thanks to the Internet is laughable. This guy has a site with an "interceptable" pass story that is one of the worst stats articles I've read. You can't create a descriptive stat that is at once subjective and done via video. One persons interceptable pass is anothers WR mistake. Garbage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 Horrible piece with such egregious bias its no wonder I've never heard of this guy. The armchair analyst era thanks to the Internet is laughable. This guy has a site with an "interceptable" pass story that is one of the worst stats articles I've read. You can't create a descriptive stat that is at once subjective and done via video. One persons interceptable pass is anothers WR mistake. Garbage. If the entire body of work is done by one person with the same bias, at least his bias is consistent. If you feel so strongly about it, you could always chart every throw by every QB for yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 We shall see game two. I think he is a one trick, run first pony. He is too small (here comes the Russell Wilson argument), and doesn't have good touch on his long ball. I do think that he is a better option than Cassel, if they don't start EJ. We most certainly shall. When we first signed him I was just glad he was getting a chance, and now it's really on him to prove his worth. Having seen him live as much as I have I believed he'd seize the opportunity earlier than most, but you are absolutely correct in saying he still has more to prove! Here's hoping he does! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 Horrible piece with such egregious bias its no wonder I've never heard of this guy. The armchair analyst era thanks to the Internet is laughable. This guy has a site with an "interceptable" pass story that is one of the worst stats articles I've read. You can't create a descriptive stat that is at once subjective and done via video. One persons interceptable pass is anothers WR mistake. Garbage. You've never heard of him because you apparently don't read content from sites like Football Outsiders, where he's had a regular column for at least 4 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 Cian has been waiting months to write this. He's not shy in admitting that he's a huge Tyrod homer. This line didn't make him sound like a Tyrod homer: In Buffalo, Taylor isn't likely to make anticipatory throws and break down coverages at the speed required during regular season games to be a consistently effective quarterback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 This line didn't make him sound like a Tyrod homer: In Buffalo, Taylor isn't likely to make anticipatory throws and break down coverages at the speed required during regular season games to be a consistently effective quarterback. If he can't then he'll ultimately be a waste of time. But he'll be exciting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 This line didn't make him sound like a Tyrod homer: I said he was a homer, not an idiot. I've followed him on Twitter for a while and he doesn't hide who he wants to win the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingRex Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 The key Taylor # is 6 ft 1 in. One should not get totally focused on height because that is not a simple analogy for who wins (even those who hat Doug Flutie must acknowledge this). However, when one read's Cian's article comparing him favorably to Cassel, EJ. and even Kaepernick, it should be noted that it is more than mere coincidence that all three of these players are listed as 6. 4"". Far more important than the simple height advantage of a taller player trying to pass the ball, I am actually far more concerned with the corresponding size, muscularity, and ability to get-up after taking repeated hits from NFL LBs that worries about building our O around in essence a running QB. I too am impressed withTaylor showing not only great running ability and elusiveness, but he does this while keeping his eyes looking downfield and among his throws are successful passes while on the run. However, I still need to see him get smacked and get up a few times before I turn the reins over to him. He's a nice thought but may be a season of serious use with him in a change-up Wildcat before he is reasonably dedicated a #1 QB depth chart spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 The key Taylor # is 6 ft 1 in. One should not get totally focused on height because that is not a simple analogy for who wins (even those who hat Doug Flutie must acknowledge this). However, when one read's Cian's article comparing him favorably to Cassel, EJ. and even Kaepernick, it should be noted that it is more than mere coincidence that all three of these players are listed as 6. 4"". Far more important than the simple height advantage of a taller player trying to pass the ball, I am actually far more concerned with the corresponding size, muscularity, and ability to get-up after taking repeated hits from NFL LBs that worries about building our O around in essence a running QB. I too am impressed withTaylor showing not only great running ability and elusiveness, but he does this while keeping his eyes looking downfield and among his throws are successful passes while on the run. However, I still need to see him get smacked and get up a few times before I turn the reins over to him. He's a nice thought but may be a season of serious use with him in a change-up Wildcat before he is reasonably dedicated a #1 QB depth chart spot. For a running QB, making himself small when taking a hit, or better yet, avoiding a hit by sliding or getting out of bounds, is the best way to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 If Taylor is even remotely consistent with his accuracy from the pocket, then I believe he has to be the starter. He's got an ability to make things happen that the others don't. Furthermore, he widens the playbook significantly with the zone-read and designed runs/roll-out plays. We know Roman wants a HUGE playbook; Taylor gives it to him. I wouldn't say I'm officially in the Taylor camp now, but I'm much more open to it than I was in April. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 If Taylor is even remotely consistent with his accuracy from the pocket, then I believe he has to be the starter. He's got an ability to make things happen that the others don't. Furthermore, he widens the playbook significantly with the zone-read and designed runs/roll-out plays. We know Roman wants a HUGE playbook; Taylor gives it to him. I wouldn't say I'm officially in the Taylor camp now, but I'm much more open to it than I was in April. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 Hey...I said all along I want the best guy to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNY315 Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 Tyrod will show us the way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 If Taylor is even remotely consistent with his accuracy from the pocket, then I believe he has to be the starter. He's got an ability to make things happen that the others don't. Furthermore, he widens the playbook significantly with the zone-read and designed runs/roll-out plays. We know Roman wants a HUGE playbook; Taylor gives it to him. I wouldn't say I'm officially in the Taylor camp now, but I'm much more open to it than I was in April. When I was trawling through his Ravens preseason games, it became apparent that he got smarter on a conceptual level every year. Certainly gives him every chance of being able to digest a large playbook. I'm not convinced yet and likely won't be over the course of the next 2-3 games but it's easier to get on board with him now that we have an OC that knows how to utilise a mobile QB. I'll still slap anyone that compares him to Russell Wilson though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 Hey...I said all along I want the best guy to win. We both did, I just made an assumption based on personal loyalties. I am happy thus far with what he's doing though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 I am still shocked at the level of Tyrod dislike. I've been as much of an EJ homer as anyone, but I'm thrilled to see someone, anyone, showing consistency and solid chain moving. One of the points Cian brought up is that Tyrod not so much opened up massive passing attack. He points out where he missed an open Woods. But what he says is that Tyrod did enough to spread out the defense so that Brown could run. And that's it for me: He did just enough that we were able to run the ball effectively. That, as far as I understood, was the primary feature we were looking for at QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 If Taylor is even remotely consistent with his accuracy from the pocket, then I believe he has to be the starter. He's got an ability to make things happen that the others don't. Furthermore, he widens the playbook significantly with the zone-read and designed runs/roll-out plays. We know Roman wants a HUGE playbook; Taylor gives it to him. I wouldn't say I'm officially in the Taylor camp now, but I'm much more open to it than I was in April. Perfectly stated. Especially the last sentence. I am from the same camp. I believe the competition can and should make you better. I remember a couple years ago my golf game had plateaued. My resident gold guru told me I needed to play with some better players and get some competition. Bingo it helped me take the next step. I hope this proves true with our QB competition. Go Bills! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 (edited) I am still shocked at the level of Tyrod dislike. I've been as much of an EJ homer as anyone, but I'm thrilled to see someone, anyone, showing consistency and solid chain moving. One of the points Cian brought up is that Tyrod not so much opened up massive passing attack. He points out where he missed an open Woods. But what he says is that Tyrod did enough to spread out the defense so that Brown could run. And that's it for me: He did just enough that we were able to run the ball effectively. That, as far as I understood, was the primary feature we were looking for at QB. I think the one thing that's stopping me from being convinced is that he did it against a team that wasn't game planning for him. As I said on Friday night, Tyrod is built for the preseason. It's easy to beat a fairly vanilla defense that isn't spying him. Not trying to take everything away from him, just applying regular season context to it. Using another Roman QB, look at how Kaepernick struggled in the pocket once they knew his habits and how to contain him. It's very rare that a mobile and elusive QB can sustain success at this level without a high level of passing talent. Not saying it's impossible but the Tyrod that exists now might not be allowed to exist come Week 1. Edited August 17, 2015 by Blokestradamus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 We both did, I just made an assumption based on personal loyalties. I am happy thus far with what he's doing though! Indeed...if you asked me who I was "cheering" for, I'd have said EJ, but only because (a) I like the kid, and (b) I felt he was the most physically talented guy. I don't care who wins the competition as long as we win games. I am still shocked at the level of Tyrod dislike. I've been as much of an EJ homer as anyone, but I'm thrilled to see someone, anyone, showing consistency and solid chain moving. One of the points Cian brought up is that Tyrod not so much opened up massive passing attack. He points out where he missed an open Woods. But what he says is that Tyrod did enough to spread out the defense so that Brown could run. And that's it for me: He did just enough that we were able to run the ball effectively. That, as far as I understood, was the primary feature we were looking for at QB. Yep...the ability to expand the playbook is huge. Perfectly stated. Especially the last sentence. I am from the same camp. I believe the competition can and should make you better. I remember a couple years ago my golf game had plateaued. My resident gold guru told me I needed to play with some better players and get some competition. Bingo it helped me take the next step. I hope this proves true with our QB competition. Go Bills! As long as Tyrod keeps getting better, he's got a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 ESPN Stats & Info @ESPNStatsInfo Eagles have used zone-read option an NFL-high 514 times last 2 seasons. And they have won 10 games a year doing it! Maybe we'll be okay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San-O Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 Could they possibly use T.T. as a change of pace type QB" Not the "wild cat" type, but bring him in for certain situations during a game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Bills Fan Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 Tyrod will show us the way I sure hope so CBF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 ESPN Stats & Info @ESPNStatsInfo Eagles have used zone-read option an NFL-high 514 times last 2 seasons. And they have won 10 games a year doing it! Maybe we'll be okay. Stop being so positive. Could they possibly use T.T. as a change of pace type QB" Not the "wild cat" type, but bring him in for certain situations during a game? That was the plan...until he started playing better than Cassel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 Stop being so positive. That was the plan...until he started playing better than Cassel. I probably should've put that in the positive thread, huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San-O Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 If Taylor is even remotely consistent with his accuracy from the pocket, then I believe he has to be the starter. He's got an ability to make things happen that the others don't. Furthermore, he widens the playbook significantly with the zone-read and designed runs/roll-out plays. We know Roman wants a HUGE playbook; Taylor gives it to him. I wouldn't say I'm officially in the Taylor camp now, but I'm much more open to it than I was in April. + 1 Well put. Nice points also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simpleman Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 Could they possibly use T.T. as a change of pace type QB" Not the "wild cat" type, but bring him in for certain situations during a game? I have been thinking that a lot recently. Cassel seems like a barely passable game manager without any sizzle. I want to win now. If the Bills think he can get us the most wins, so be it. But bringing in TT in certain plays seems the best of both worlds. Make the defense change the look when he is in, adding to the confusion and uncertainty on the opposing defense. I just read where one reason Kelly brought Tebow in was the rule changes for the point after making the 2 point conversion much more frequent now. A dynamic running QB like TT sounds perfect for a regular point after specialist at the very least. If we end up with Cassel as the safe boring game manager, TT as the number two QB specialist makes sense and could provide a little excitement and sizzle as a change of pace QB in certain specialized situations. As far as those wondering about long term durability in a running QB like TT, I don't worry about it. I don't see any of the three in the competition this year as a long term solution at #1, just a stop gap short term solution till the Bills can get a top quality QB via the draft , FA or trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickelCity Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 I'd like Tyrod to earn the job, but I'm not panicking about what will happen with gameplans etc. There are only so many players on the field and dedicating a spy or stacking the box will create open receivers. Either way, Cassel is turning in good performances in camp and the 1st preseason game. He might win the job outright, but he'll be a nice backup to have if we have to bring him in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moshermw Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 Will reserve comment till after Thursday Vs. the Cleveland ones with our ones. If he drives the team for two TDs on his first two possessions again - one of them 80+, like he did vs. Carolina, I'm pretty sure that should seal it. Standby for a healthy, yet measured dose of "told ya" from this poster if so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 Great little article. I've been skeptical about TT, because I worry if the league has caught up to this style of QB play, but I'm beginning to trust Roman and TT to pick their spots to run intelligently. I still worry if TT's body can stand up to the extra hits and mileage, but we will see. I love it that TT seems to have made that jump up in terms of field vision, ability to read the coverages and make good decisions very fast. I hope he keeps it up this Thursday. We might have our man. In most of those animated gifs I don't see TT scanning the field I just see him taking three steps back and chucking it to a a spot. Especially on the deep sideline routes to Goodwin that fell incomplete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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