Buffalo Barbarian Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 Watching the Houston game and they have been called for a couple of illegal formation penalties. These calls are archaic and stupid. If a WR isn't in quite the right spot and a good play is called back on not a false start, holding or personal foul, but A WR is "covering" a TE because he is too close the line of scrimmage is detrimental to the game. The rule should be five lineman on the line of scrimmage and that's it. TEs, WRs and backs can line up where ever they want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 I think you have to be careful. There's a reason rules get made in the first place. I'm not against removing this particular rule, but I can't say why it exists in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 Watching Gay put the ball out of play on kickoffs thus negating the entire concept of the KO had me thinking... How about a rule which says the kicker must put the ball in play? This means the ball must come down on the field or in the end zone, but it is a penalty if it goes out of bounds to the side or past the end zone. You could even limit the kick to the field itself (penalty if ball lands in end zone). It would ensure more returns and add a dimension of skill to the KO on the part of the kicker, like a punter with a "coffin corner" punt. The trick would be to kick high and far, but not so far as to land in end zone for the penalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRT88 Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 I think the illegal hands to the face, defensive holding, illegal contact all 5 and an automatic first down needs to be changed. That's a nasty penalty every time it happens as the offense automatically gains a be set if down. The illegal hands to face should just be a 10 yard penalty and replay down as should the defensive folding. Keep the illegal contact penalty as it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionallyUnstable Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 Watching Gay put the ball out of play on kickoffs thus negating the entire concept of the KO had me thinking... How about a rule which says the kicker must put the ball in play? This means the ball must come down on the field or in the end zone, but it is a penalty if it goes out of bounds to the side or past the end zone. You could even limit the kick to the field itself (penalty if ball lands in end zone). It would ensure more returns and add a dimension of skill to the KO on the part of the kicker, like a punter with a "coffin corner" punt. The trick would be to kick high and far, but not so far as to land in end zone for the penalty. I've always thought that too. Also, change the touchback to the 15 yard line and you might see a lot more returns. I know that the NFL wants LESS returns but not me. As a kid and young adult watching and playing the game, my favorite play was always kickoff. Now, it's so anticlimactic at the beginning of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 Please no changes to kick off. Hands to the face 5 yard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 Keep a Shiv the Mo FO at Unsportsmanlike Conduct, with no game ejection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 Watching Gay put the ball out of play on kickoffs thus negating the entire concept of the KO had me thinking... How about a rule which says the kicker must put the ball in play? This means the ball must come down on the field or in the end zone, but it is a penalty if it goes out of bounds to the side or past the end zone. You could even limit the kick to the field itself (penalty if ball lands in end zone). It would ensure more returns and add a dimension of skill to the KO on the part of the kicker, like a punter with a "coffin corner" punt. The trick would be to kick high and far, but not so far as to land in end zone for the penalty. I seem to recall there being a lot of discussion about the NFL wanting more touchbacks because they feel the kickoff is a dangerous play and that rule changes have been put in place to promote less returns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 They should surely have two different interference penalties, like the old roughing the kicker versus running into the kicker. If it's just blatant interference when the defender just tackles or hits or does not make a move on the ball, it should be spot of the foul and automatic first down like it is now. If it's inadvertent, he tries to make a play, etc, it should be five yards and maybe or maybe not an automatic first down. Way, way too many unnecessary yards given to the offense on DPI penalties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted August 16, 2015 Author Share Posted August 16, 2015 I think you have to be careful. There's a reason rules get made in the first place. I'm not against removing this particular rule, but I can't say why it exists in the first place. no need to be careful here just some dumb rule from the past when defense was king and make it harder on the O, times have changed, we need more scoring. I think picks, multiple players in motion and loosening up on holding on run plays should implemented as well. Watching Gay put the ball out of play on kickoffs thus negating the entire concept of the KO had me thinking... How about a rule which says the kicker must put the ball in play? This means the ball must come down on the field or in the end zone, but it is a penalty if it goes out of bounds to the side or past the end zone. You could even limit the kick to the field itself (penalty if ball lands in end zone). It would ensure more returns and add a dimension of skill to the KO on the part of the kicker, like a punter with a "coffin corner" punt. The trick would be to kick high and far, but not so far as to land in end zone for the penalty. sounds good but the League wants less returns and less injuries I think the illegal hands to the face, defensive holding, illegal contact all 5 and an automatic first down needs to be changed. That's a nasty penalty every time it happens as the offense automatically gains a be set if down. The illegal hands to face should just be a 10 yard penalty and replay down as should the defensive folding. Keep the illegal contact penalty as it is. college rules for passing They should surely have two different interference penalties, like the old roughing the kicker versus running into the kicker. If it's just blatant interference when the defender just tackles or hits or does not make a move on the ball, it should be spot of the foul and automatic first down like it is now. If it's inadvertent, he tries to make a play, etc, it should be five yards and maybe or maybe not an automatic first down. Way, way too many unnecessary yards given to the offense on DPI penalties. college rules, no automatic first downs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 Watching Gay put the ball out of play on kickoffs thus negating the entire concept of the KO had me thinking... How about a rule which says the kicker must put the ball in play? This means the ball must come down on the field or in the end zone, but it is a penalty if it goes out of bounds to the side or past the end zone. You could even limit the kick to the field itself (penalty if ball lands in end zone). It would ensure more returns and add a dimension of skill to the KO on the part of the kicker, like a punter with a "coffin corner" punt. The trick would be to kick high and far, but not so far as to land in end zone for the penalty. I love the idea, but if anything the league is more likely to eliminate kickoffs and just have them start at the 20. They want fewer returns because of injury risks. I think the only reason they keep them is because onside kicks are crucial to comebacks, and are an exciting part of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 college rules, no automatic first downs It's an automatic first down in college, just not longer than a 15 yard penalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonborn10 Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 1. PI max distance 15 yards 2. No defenseless WR penalty against the defender when the WR changes position at the moment of impact - this is completely unfair to the defender. Unless the defender launches and leaves his feet for the hit, the defender should not be penalized because a WR suddenly crouches down and a hit that would have been to the chest/shoulders becomes a head shot. 3. Eliminate the KO. 4. Stiff arm to the facemask is a 5 yard penalty from spot of the foul - it is unfair to the defender Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 Watching the Houston game and they have been called for a couple of illegal formation penalties. These calls are archaic and stupid. If a WR isn't in quite the right spot and a good play is called back on not a false start, holding or personal foul, but A WR is "covering" a TE because he is too close the line of scrimmage is detrimental to the game. The rule should be five lineman on the line of scrimmage and that's it. TEs, WRs and backs can line up where ever they want. All they need to do is look to the sideline and get confirmation that they are lined up properly. The WR made a mistake and the team paid for it. What I'd like to see enforced more regularly...o-linemen lining up in a "V" formation. Center, then the guards lined up at the center's hip, then the tackles lined up at the hip of the guard. Some teams (pro and NCAA) really stretch this and it gives them an advantage in pass protection. Throw the damn flag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted August 16, 2015 Author Share Posted August 16, 2015 It's an automatic first down in college, just not longer than a 15 yard penalty. yes I know, that' why I said no automatic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 I've always thought that too. Also, change the touchback to the 15 yard line and you might see a lot more returns. I know that the NFL wants LESS returns but not me. As a kid and young adult watching and playing the game, my favorite play was always kickoff. Now, it's so anticlimactic at the beginning of the game. I agree regarding the kick offs. The start of a game can be awesome with the crowd roaring reaching a peak as the ball is kicked. When the ball is kicked out of the end zone it deflates the crowd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted August 16, 2015 Author Share Posted August 16, 2015 All they need to do is look to the sideline and get confirmation that they are lined up properly. The WR made a mistake and the team paid for it. What I'd like to see enforced more regularly...o-linemen lining up in a "V" formation. Center, then the guards lined up at the center's hip, then the tackles lined up at the hip of the guard. Some teams (pro and NCAA) really stretch this and it gives them an advantage in pass protection. Throw the damn flag. yeah but who cares, it has NO bearing on the play and to have it nullify a TD or 1st down is retarded. I don't mind the V, just need to crack down on holding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 yes I know, that' why I said no automatic That would make it a little too easy on plays with more than 15 yards to go to just automatically trip or tackle the guy if you are beat. That's why I suggested the two penalties like roughing. If it's blatant you get a big penalty, if it's inadvertent but still PI it's just a penalty and replay the down but it doesn't kill you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 yeah but who cares, it has NO bearing on the play and to have it nullify a TD or 1st down is retarded. I don't mind the V, just need to crack down on holding. I'm sure someone could draw up some obnoxious formations if you no longer have to follow that rule. Anyone care to give some examples, if the guy doesn't have to be on the line? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 They should surely have two different interference penalties, like the old roughing the kicker versus running into the kicker. If it's just blatant interference when the defender just tackles or hits or does not make a move on the ball, it should be spot of the foul and automatic first down like it is now. If it's inadvertent, he tries to make a play, etc, it should be five yards and maybe or maybe not an automatic first down. Way, way too many unnecessary yards given to the offense on DPI penalties. That's a good idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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