BillsFan-4-Ever Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 (edited) EJ is stuck with the 3rd team - he's DOOMED!!!! Edited August 12, 2015 by BillsFan-4-Ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Who the Heck is Cassell??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Who the Heck is Cassell??? I think he played point guard for FSU, Minnesota Timberwolves, and Houston Rockets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 I think he played point guard for FSU, Minnesota Timberwolves, and Houston Rockets.and celtics! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tennesseeboy Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 I was hopeful for EJ this year to show up as a good starter. The way things appear (from this board and news reports) he isn't in the running as a starter and it may be time to cut the cord. I guess I would let him perhaps start the second preseason game and unless he shows a hell of a lot in that time I'd cut him after the game and start giving all the work to Cassell and TT. As it is Cassell is getting reps as if he were the starter and I'm not hearing ANY assertion that TT or EJ are pressing him. If you're keeping a third qb and the choice is expensive EJ or cheap Matt Sims I suspect they will go with Sims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 I was hopeful for EJ this year to show up as a good starter. The way things appear (from this board and news reports) he isn't in the running as a starter and it may be time to cut the cord. I guess I would let him perhaps start the second preseason game and unless he shows a hell of a lot in that time I'd cut him after the game and start giving all the work to Cassell and TT. As it is Cassell is getting reps as if he were the starter and I'm not hearing ANY assertion that TT or EJ are pressing him. If you're keeping a third qb and the choice is expensive EJ or cheap Matt Sims I suspect they will go with Sims. Except that the Bills save no cap space by cutting EJ this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fridge Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 (edited) Good Post OP. Last year was a disaster of epic proportions for EJ. Do we really think he is going to get another chance, after being humiliated in Houston? No This is Cassels' job to lose. The staff loves Tyrod. The front office opinion has not changed on EJ. We are not sacrificing this year. Imo ...he went 2-2. Crusaders gonna crusade. Edited August 14, 2015 by fridge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San-O Posted August 14, 2015 Author Share Posted August 14, 2015 ...he went 2-2. Crusaders gonna crusade. Well, your crusade is almost over... He got worse every game. The 4th game was hard to watch. http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/15803/ej-manuel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 Except that the Bills save no cap space by cutting EJ this year. Serious question: Is that even an issue at this time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 Serious question: Is that even an issue at this time? It makes absolutely no sense to cut EJ. Despite what people claim he is not horrible. He's young and inconsistent with major upside if the lightbulb ever goes on. That's not the guy you cut if it doesn't save you cap space. It's not the guy you cut if it only saves you 2.5 million in cap space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 It makes absolutely no sense to cut EJ. Despite what people claim he is not horrible. He's young and inconsistent with major upside if the lightbulb ever goes on. That's not the guy you cut if it doesn't save you cap space. It's not the guy you cut if it only saves you 2.5 million in cap space. i mean, ultimately do you keep EJ for what amounts to free since its a sunk cost, or spend additional cash to instead carry a guy like simms? it seems a no brainer. EJ has shown he can atleast be on par with any of the backups in the league which is the upside youd be hoping for out of any 3rd qb you sign at this point. and again, be less cap hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 (edited) It makes absolutely no sense to cut EJ. Despite what people claim he is not horrible. He's young and inconsistent with major upside if the lightbulb ever goes on. That's not the guy you cut if it doesn't save you cap space. It's not the guy you cut if it only saves you 2.5 million in cap space. I'll ask again: Would it negatively affect the roster plan by putting the Bills over the cap if they cut him? There is another factor at work, and while it's small it may play a role in their decision: if they prefer Simms to Manuel and are worried another team might snag Simms if we put him on the PS (this is assuming Simms plays passably well in preseason), then they might be inclined to cut Manuel. I'm not saying they should, and again, I don't know the cap ramifications if they cut him. It may be that they want to pack his numbers onto the books this year (if that's possible - I don't know) in order to free up space for next year given that the Dareus, Gilmore, and Glenn situations. Edited August 14, 2015 by dave mcbride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San-O Posted August 14, 2015 Author Share Posted August 14, 2015 It makes absolutely no sense to cut EJ. Despite what people claim he is not horrible. He's young and inconsistent with major upside if the lightbulb ever goes on. That's not the guy you cut if it doesn't save you cap space. It's not the guy you cut if it only saves you 2.5 million in cap space. With all due respect, I think the "major upside" ship has sailed... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 i mean, ultimately do you keep EJ for what amounts to free since its a sunk cost, or spend additional cash to instead carry a guy like simms? it seems a no brainer. EJ has shown he can atleast be on par with any of the backups in the league which is the upside youd be hoping for out of any 3rd qb you sign at this point. and again, be less cap hit. My only guess at the rationale is to be good to him and have him catch on with another team. It's similar to what Chan did with Trentative. If he's not going to be your lead guy, it may be a problematic locker room for him to sit as #3. That's the only way I see that decision happening, because ability-wise he's not a horrible backup to have on a team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 My only guess at the rationale is to be good to him and have him catch on with another team. It's similar to what Chan did with Trentative. If he's not going to be your lead guy, it may be a problematic locker room for him to sit as #3. That's the only way I see that decision happening, because ability-wise he's not a horrible backup to have on a team. This is a good post. See above about Simms though - if other teams think he's a decent option, I'm curious to know what the Bills think of him. If they like him better than Manuel, they won't want to lose him via a PS raid, I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewildrabbit Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 Good Post OP. Last year was a disaster of epic proportions for EJ. Do we really think he is going to get another chance, after being humiliated in Houston? No This is Cassels' job to lose. The staff loves Tyrod. The front office opinion has not changed on EJ. We are not sacrificing this year. Imo How can anyone base an opinion on EJ from what they saw in his last two games considering Hackett went pass crazy calling 40-44 passes respectively while basically abandoning the run game. That run game which helped the team win the first two games. Besides this coaching staff has already stated that they will be a run first team with McCoy, and ask the QB to just manage the game while not turning the ball over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuoteTheRaven83 Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 I wouldn't read too much into this. There's a chance that Tyrod will get the start next game and then EJ will get the start 3rd game, and the starter will be decided by the 4th preseason game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 It makes absolutely no sense to cut EJ. Despite what people claim he is not horrible. He's young and inconsistent with major upside if the lightbulb ever goes on. That's not the guy you cut if it doesn't save you cap space. It's not the guy you cut if it only saves you 2.5 million in cap space. Yes he is and it really isn't even debatable. Only ones with blinders on can't see how horrible EJ is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 It makes absolutely no sense to cut EJ. Despite what people claim he is not horrible. He's young and inconsistent with major upside if the lightbulb ever goes on. That's not the guy you cut if it doesn't save you cap space. It's not the guy you cut if it only saves you 2.5 million in cap space. Exact same thing was repeated here endlessly about JP Losman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fridge Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 Yes he is and it really isn't even debatable. Only ones with blinders on can't see how horrible EJ is. Where did this come from? Honestly? How is that not up for debate? Last season he went 2-2, and had 5 TDs and 3 INTs. Heading into the Texans game he had a QB Rating of 91.8. He played poorly in the Texans game, but how crazy are you to assume that a bad game means he's horrible and it's without debate. If you look at a single game to make your decision, why did you pick that game and not the Panthers game from his rookie season? Don't forget the facts because of the crusade, man. This kid was not as bad as the media and the crazies on the board are portraying. We've had some real stinkers the last few years, and I'm shocked how many hate on this guy, perhaps more than the others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 Where did this come from? Honestly? How is that not up for debate? Last season he went 2-2, and had 5 TDs and 3 INTs. Heading into the Texans game he had a QB Rating of 91.8. He played poorly in the Texans game, but how crazy are you to assume that a bad game means he's horrible and it's without debate. If you look at a single game to make your decision, why did you pick that game and not the Panthers game from his rookie season? Don't forget the facts because of the crusade, man. This kid was not as bad as the media and the crazies on the board are portraying. We've had some real stinkers the last few years, and I'm shocked how many hate on this guy, perhaps more than the others. Ok so the people closest to the NFL and the media have no clue. Really? How long did you give JP, Trent, Maybin before you finally threw in the towel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fridge Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 (edited) Ok so the people closest to the NFL and the media have no clue. Really? How long did you give JP, Trent, Maybin before you finally threw in the towel? I thought this wasn't up for debate, though? You have no response other than to point to totally different players? As far as the media is concerned, who other than Joe B. and Sal Capacia (and by extension the mighty WGR 550) has reported to you that EJ Manuel is a horrible (without debate) quarterback? Edited August 14, 2015 by fridge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenhigh Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 You and I have read completely different things. Early on, TT had a few strong days, then EJ had a couple strong days and the all important scrimmage, and now Cassel has had a couple strong days. As much as you dislike EJ, none of the QBs have looked consistently good in camp. Cassel is getting the reps this week leading up to the Carolina game. I assume Tyrod/EJ will get them leading up to the next pre-season game, and so on. EJ needs to get his **** together, sure. But so does Tyrod and Cassel. SOMEONE needs to get their **** together, and no one has as of yet. This post should be quoted in every response on this thread. We have 4 below average QBs on this team. Why some of you single out 1 of them is astounding to me. Did EJ take liberties with your special ladies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 Ok so the people closest to the NFL and the media have no clue. Really? How long did you give JP, Trent, Maybin before you finally threw in the towel? He said "media and the crazies on the board" and believe that to mean, "people closest to the NFL and the media?" I guess he's right, there are crazies on this board! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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