somnus00 Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 TheBillsWillRiseAgain touched on this earlier this week. This article really does put things into perspective. I know there are plenty of Ballghazi threads. But I felt this was a bit different and deserved it's own. http://www.sharpfootballanalysis.com/blog/?p=2932 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy1 Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 Very interesting read….Now we all know why the Patriots so rarely fumble. This analysis should move up from blog level to the national sports shows as a point of discussion. The onion is being peeled and the core is rotten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 Merely a coincidence. Obviously the Pats are just an all around better team. They never fumble. They also never pee or poop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uffalo Ills Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 Merely a coincidence. Obviously the Pats are just an all around better team. They never fumble. They also never pee or poop. You're forgetting: Brady sits when he pees... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 I read this report earlier today...I never thought about the effect a deflated ball could have on fumbles...But this statistical analysis is really mind-blowing...Common sense would tell anyone there is virtually no way this is 100% coincidence...I'd be interested to see if this gets any serious coverage over the next week...I'd like to hear Belicheat and Brady answer some questions about this stuff... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 (edited) I read this report earlier today...I never thought about the effect a deflated ball could have on fumbles...But this statistical analysis is really mind-blowing...Common sense would tell anyone there is virtually no way this is 100% coincidence...I'd be interested to see if this gets any serious coverage over the next week...I'd like to hear Belicheat and Brady answer some questions about this stuff... We had someone in the big thread look at stats for guys that joined or left the pats and compared fumble rates with their other teams. It seemed, generally, in line. As if the pats over emphasize the skill in scouting and training Perhaps also in ball manipulation too- but it seemed the gap was likely more than just the ball Edited January 24, 2015 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 We had someone in the big thread look at stats for guys that joined or left the pats and compared fumble rates with their other teams. It seemed, generally, in line. As if the pats over emphasize the skill in scouting and training Perhaps also in ball manipulation too- but it seemed the gap was likely more than just the ball I'm sure it's some of both...I don't doubt whatsoever that Belicheat is one hell of a good football coach...I also don't doubt that he seeks out any advantage he can get with incredible persistence even if it falls slightly outside of the rule books... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section122 Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 We had someone in the big thread look at stats for guys that joined or left the pats and compared fumble rates with their other teams. It seemed, generally, in line. As if the pats over emphasize the skill in scouting and training Perhaps also in ball manipulation too- but it seemed the gap was likely more than just the ball Yeah that was me. I'll readily admit too that I was indeed looking for a smoking gun to prove that they were somehow cheating lol. It turned out that outside of benjarvus green Ellis the rest of the players I looked at (woodhead, Sammy morris, and blount) all fall within a very close range on and off the pats*. I chose The players I did bc they were the rbs that played for other teams. Ridley, vereen, Kevin faulk, and Maroney were exclusively pats* players so there was no data to use. The one thing I will say is that I did not look at any wr or other positions. due to the volume of touches rbs got I figured that would be the best sample size to pull data from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wing Man Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 It does let you know this didn't occur in isolation. Most likely this was going on since at least 2007. If they've been at it that long, it makes Belichick's claims of innocence much, much thinner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 Could be that the patriots have better coaches and players. But now that they cheated, that casts a cloud over that thesis. That's the problem with cheating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RealityCheck Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 (edited) More proof that they are a better team. Yeah, I get it already. Perhaps benching players after a fumble yields benefits after all. Edited January 24, 2015 by RealityCheck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 TheBillsWillRiseAgain touched on this earlier this week. This article really does put things into perspective. I know there are plenty of Ballghazi threads. But I felt this was a bit different and deserved it's own. http://www.sharpfootballanalysis.com/blog/?p=2932 now I remember why I hated that stats class in grad school Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 (edited) Yeah that was me. I'll readily admit too that I was indeed looking for a smoking gun to prove that they were somehow cheating lol. It turned out that outside of benjarvus green Ellis the rest of the players I looked at (woodhead, Sammy morris, and blount) all fall within a very close range on and off the pats*. I chose The players I did bc they were the rbs that played for other teams. Ridley, vereen, Kevin faulk, and Maroney were exclusively pats* players so there was no data to use. The one thing I will say is that I did not look at any wr or other positions. due to the volume of touches rbs got I figured that would be the best sample size to pull data from. i used welker as he has a lot of touches and he actually has fewer fumbles per touch in Denver too. Small samples and doesn't prove anything but I think interesting if looking at the numbers in the ops link Edited January 24, 2015 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offside Number 76 Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 It's easy enough to see that the Pats are cheating with this graph & analysis. But look at the other end of the graph: What does this tell us about our Bills? Way too many fumbles! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtbag Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 But look at the other end of the graph: What does this tell us about our Bills? Way too many fumbles! strategery. we'd rather have our defense on the field than our offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 Echoing No Saint, this was discussed at some length in the big thread. It's not particularly trustworthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heitz Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 It's easy enough to see that the Pats are cheating with this graph & analysis. But look at the other end of the graph: What does this tell us about our Bills? Way too many fumbles! I had to laugh when he said "look at the band of colors, the Pats are in a league of their own". Yeah, well, we're close too - in the opposite direction! And we're near the bottom in plays run.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobu Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 (edited) Echoing No Saint, this was discussed at some length in the big thread. It's not particularly trustworthy. Wall Street Journal and Slate are both running this now... http://www.wsj.com/articles/patriots-always-keep-a-tight-grip-on-the-ball-1422054846 http://www.slate.com/articles/sports/sports_nut/2015/01/ballghazi_the_new_england_patriots_lose_an_insanely_low_number_of_fumbles.html Edited January 24, 2015 by Show Me The Baby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevestojan Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 Well, looking at it from this perspective just might have changed my view on the entire deflate issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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