Chef Jim Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 (edited) Nice group think. Tell me more about how you're responsible for the atrocities of all of those similar to you. Bigot.Get off your high horse. Getting tired of your holier than thou schtick. Where did I say that all Muslims are responsible? Oh that's right I didnt. However who better to stop the atrocities of those similar than those that have their ear. Do you agree that maybe 1% or less of Muslims are terrorists? Because if you do then those 99% should be all the proof you need. . I have an issue when 99% of the 99% do absolutely nothing to stop that 1% from doing a wonderful to sully their religion/way of life. Edited February 25, 2015 by Chef Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 Get off your high horse. Getting tired of your holier than thou schtick. Where did I say that all Muslims are responsible? Oh that's right I didnt. However who better to stop the atrocities of those similar than those that have their ear. I have an issue when 99% of the 99% do absolutely nothing to stop that 1% from doing a wonderful to sully their religion/way of life. What do you want to be done, by who, and what will its affects be? I get that the peaceful Muslim community is a silent majority. But what do you want? A public condemnation? Is ISIS gonna start shipping prisoners back home if a million American Muslims call them bad guys? Furthermore, isn't that what we condemn Obama for? Pussyfooting around with strong language? I dislike WBC and think they're awful. I've said this before. Does that mean I've done my part? Do I have to arm myself and cap one of them in street for you to feel that I've sufficiently distanced myself from them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 What do you want to be done, by who, and what will its affects be? I get that the peaceful Muslim community is a silent majority. But what do you want? A public condemnation? Is ISIS gonna start shipping prisoners back home if a million American Muslims call them bad guys? Furthermore, isn't that what we condemn Obama for? Pussyfooting around with strong language? I dislike WBC and think they're awful. I've said this before. Does that mean I've done my part? Do I have to arm myself and cap one of them in street for you to feel that I've sufficiently distanced myself from them? Don't you dare say the President pussyfoots around with strong language. He pussyfoots around with weak language. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
\GoBillsInDallas/ Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 Glad to see our top State Departments officials are concentrating on their counterterrorism duties: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/02/25/state-department-official-charged-with-soliciting-a-juvenile-for-sex/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 There were over 1000. Do you have a link to something that shows this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 Get off your high horse. Getting tired of your holier than thou schtick. No, what you're getting tired of is getting called on your bull ****. If you don't like it, look inward, and then stop posting bull ****. Because I'm not going to stop calling you on it. I'm not your echo chamber, junior. Where did I say that all Muslims are responsible? Oh that's right I didnt. You admit to this position in this freaking post. Everything you stated after this point is a direct admission of this. However who better to stop the atrocities of those similar than those that have their ear. You apparently understand absolutely nothing about the Muslim world, and view them as a monolith. There's that group think again. I have an issue when 99% of the 99% do absolutely nothing to stop that 1% from doing a wonderful to sully their religion/way of life. No, you just want to engage in "othering", and have tasked Westernized non-denominational, Ahmadiyya, Nation of Islam, Quranist, Sunni, Shia, and Sufi with snuffing out extremist Salafism and Wahhabism; which is akin to blaming Southern Lutherans for the sex abuses perpetrated by the Catholic Church, or demanding Episcopals take a unified stance to snuff out abortion clinic bombings perpetrated by fringe quasi-baptists groups. It's idiocy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justice Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 Do you have a link to something that shows this? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/denmark/11427713/Muslims-form-ring-of-peace-to-protect-Oslo-synagogue.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/denmark/11427713/Muslims-form-ring-of-peace-to-protect-Oslo-synagogue.html Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justice Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 (edited) Thank you. You're welcome. Edited February 25, 2015 by Justice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 No major acts of terrorism on US soil under Obama. Nice job Mr. President! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 No major acts of terrorism on US soil under Obama. Nice job Mr. President! You're forgetting Benghazi which was US soil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 No major acts of terrorism on US soil under Obama. Nice job Mr. President! Fourteen people died at Ft. Hood at the hands of a terrorist. How many people need to die at the hands of terror before you consider it worth your attention? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 ... You apparently understand absolutely nothing about the Muslim world, and view them as a monolith. There's that group think again. No, you just want to engage in "othering", and have tasked Westernized non-denominational, Ahmadiyya, Nation of Islam, Quranist, Sunni, Shia, and Sufi with snuffing out extremist Salafism and Wahhabism; which is akin to blaming Southern Lutherans for the sex abuses perpetrated by the Catholic Church, or demanding Episcopals take a unified stance to snuff out abortion clinic bombings perpetrated by fringe quasi-baptists groups. It's idiocy. I don't enjoy posting in this forum for a myriad of reasons, but I have to give you a ton of credit for capsulizing and articulating perhaps the most important aspect of our understanding of a rather complex issue. Well done here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 You're forgetting Benghazi which was US soil. Ya, whatever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 Ya, whatever Benghazi. Ft. Hood. A Youtube video and workplace violence! Nice job, Mr. President! You freaking tool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 Ya, whatever Sure, laugh it off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 Speaking of Benghazi, it'll be interesting to hear how Hillary explains this during her campaign run. Close to 500 pages of Pentagon Benghazi-related documents obtained last week by the non-profit group Judicial Watch prove the U.S. military was operating on the assumption terrorists killed U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens and three other Americans on the night of Sept. 11, 2012. The papers confirm statements about the nature of the attack to congressional committees made by both then-Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta and then-AFRICOM Commander Gen. Carter Ham. Judicial Watch has spent two years in dogged legal pursuit of the heavily redacted papers. The lawsuit to obtain the previously classified “secret” documents was filed in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia on Sept. 4, 2014, (Judicial Watch v. Department of Defense (No. 1:14-cv-01508)). Even with the heavy redactions, the documents show the White House-State Department narrative of the Benghazi attack—as a demonstration over a video run amok—to be completely out of sync with the Pentagon. The anti-Muslim video alleged at the root of all the trouble is not mentioned in the Pentagon documents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 Speaking of Benghazi, it'll be interesting to hear how Hillary explains this during her campaign run. judicial watch is probably lying, a pos outfit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 judicial watch is probably lying, a pos outfit Uhhh...you know that Judicial Watch just requested and received the documents, right? No. Of course you don't. If it's not written on the bottom of a Bazooka Joe bubble gum comic, you're pretty much lost, aren't you, Sparky... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 You're forgetting Benghazi which was US soil. I didn't realize Boston was considered non-US soil... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 I didn't realize Boston was considered non-US soil... :doh: I'm dumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted February 25, 2015 Author Share Posted February 25, 2015 I didn't realize Boston was considered non-US soil... Here on an AFC East board.......................it is.. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 Here on an AFC East board.......................it is.. . :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 No, what you're getting tired of is getting called on your bull ****. If you don't like it, look inward, and then stop posting bull ****. Because I'm not going to stop calling you on it. I'm not your echo chamber, junior. You admit to this position in this freaking post. Everything you stated after this point is a direct admission of this. You apparently understand absolutely nothing about the Muslim world, and view them as a monolith. There's that group think again. No, you just want to engage in "othering", and have tasked Westernized non-denominational, Ahmadiyya, Nation of Islam, Quranist, Sunni, Shia, and Sufi with snuffing out extremist Salafism and Wahhabism; which is akin to blaming Southern Lutherans for the sex abuses perpetrated by the Catholic Church, or demanding Episcopals take a unified stance to snuff out abortion clinic bombings perpetrated by fringe quasi-baptists groups. It's idiocy. Good job. I've got nothing. What people do to other people in the name of religion just boggles my mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 What do you want to be done, by who, and what will its affects be? I get that the peaceful Muslim community is a silent majority. But what do you want? A public condemnation? Is ISIS gonna start shipping prisoners back home if a million American Muslims call them bad guys? Furthermore, isn't that what we condemn Obama for? Pussyfooting around with strong language? I dislike WBC and think they're awful. I've said this before. Does that mean I've done my part? Do I have to arm myself and cap one of them in street for you to feel that I've sufficiently distanced myself from them? It goes deeper than that. More public condemnation is a good thing. Nobody thinks twice about calling WBC a bunch of nutjobs, because they are a fringe outcast group. Same for the wacko preacher who was threatening to burn the Korans. The difference on Islamic terrorists is that there is greater acceptance of them and their methods among the flock. That's why you had celebrations in the Mid East on 9/11 because a group of Muslims took it to the great satan. That's why AQ & ISIS don't seem to be having any trouble raising money or finding recruits, which is not a characteristic of wacko fringe groups. It's good to see the tide maybe turning and there are condemnations, but usually it comes with some equivocation (as seen in this thread). And I don't expect it to change in less than a decade at best. These roots are far deeper and have a lot to do with the Middle East history and their societal norms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 It goes deeper than that. More public condemnation is a good thing. Nobody thinks twice about calling WBC a bunch of nutjobs, because they are a fringe outcast group. Same for the wacko preacher who was threatening to burn the Korans. The difference on Islamic terrorists is that there is greater acceptance of them and their methods among the flock. That's why you had celebrations in the Mid East on 9/11 because a group of Muslims took it to the great satan. That's why AQ & ISIS don't seem to be having any trouble raising money or finding recruits, which is not a characteristic of wacko fringe groups. It's good to see the tide maybe turning and there are condemnations, but usually it comes with some equivocation (as seen in this thread). And I don't expect it to change in less than a decade at best. These roots are far deeper and have a lot to do with the Middle East history and their societal norms. I realize that supporters of those groups do exist, and probably at a higher percentage of the total population. The umbrage I took with Jim's post was the fact that he was putting it on the rest of the Muslim world to stop these terrorist groups. Which will never happen. Public condemnation is fine, and more of it could be a positive. But I won't condemn the western Muslim world because ISIS exists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 I realize that supporters of those groups do exist, and probably at a higher percentage of the total population. The umbrage I took with Jim's post was the fact that he was putting it on the rest of the Muslim world to stop these terrorist groups. Which will never happen. Public condemnation is fine, and more of it could be a positive. But I won't condemn the western Muslim world because ISIS exists. He's wrong in his expectation that it should happen immediately. But he's not wrong in thinking that the only way to stop them is for the alleged 99% of peace loving Muslims to resign AQ, ISIS, etc to the wacko status and turn them into pariahs within their cultures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 He's wrong in his expectation that it should happen immediately. But he's not wrong in thinking that the only way to stop them is for the alleged 99% of peace loving Muslims to resign AQ, ISIS, etc to the wacko status and turn them into pariahs within their cultures. Let's use some placeholder values. Let's say that 70% of the Muslim community in the Middle East is against ISIS. 25% are supporters, and 5% are actual members. if the 70% condemn ISIS, are the 25% changing their minds? Are they figuring it out? Or is it a, "we'll kill them and the condemnation will hamper recruiting," situation? I just don't see any tangible results. I also don't see how they're responsible. If half my neighborhood is full of KKK members, is it my responsibility to condemn them in the local paper and possibly have my life and the life of my family in jeopardy? Ideally, maybe. Realistically, no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 I just don't see any tangible results. I also don't see how they're responsible. If half my neighborhood is full of KKK members, is it my responsibility to condemn them in the local paper and possibly have my life and the life of my family in jeopardy? Ideally, maybe. Realistically, no. There's a right and a wrong. By turning a blind eye to the wrongs is exactly how we got to this position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 There's a right and a wrong. By turning a blind eye to the wrongs is exactly how we got to this position. What fantasy are you living in? You want a father of 3 to yell at an ISIS guy with an AK? I suppose it's easy to expect more from over here. We aren't in any danger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 What fantasy are you living in? You want a father of 3 to yell at an ISIS guy with an AK? I suppose it's easy to expect more from over here. We aren't in any danger. So let's build up the straw man to prove your point? Never mind that in your example you imply that ISIS engenders far greater support than a tiny minority, because how could an individual stand up to a large group. Focus on the Middle East and ask why has ISIS/AQ been able to command the following there, while in much more populated Muslim countries in Southeast Asia, while extremists exist they are far outside of the societal norms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 So let's build up the straw man to prove your point? Never mind that in your example you imply that ISIS engenders far greater support than a tiny minority, because how could an individual stand up to a large group. Focus on the Middle East and ask why has ISIS/AQ been able to command the following there, while in much more populated Muslim countries in Southeast Asia, while extremists exist they are far outside of the societal norms. Because they have more supporters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Because they have more supporters. Which is precisely what we're talking about. Until AQ/ISIS become a true fringe, nothing will change. And they will only become fringe when the majority of Muslims in Mid East stop being silent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 (edited) Which is precisely what we're talking about. Until AQ/ISIS become a true fringe, nothing will change. And they will only become fringe when the majority of Muslims in Mid East stop being silent. Bull ****. The 25% of extremist supporters in the ME are not going to change their minds. Especially not because of public condemnation from people that they think are worthless or infidels or what have you. Edited February 26, 2015 by FireChan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Bull ****. The 25% of extremist supporters in the ME are not going to change their minds. Especially not because of public condemnation from people that they think are worthless or infidels or what have you. I guess it's a difference of opinion. If 25% of a population believes they should live by 7th century rules in the 21st century world, they will reap what they sow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 I guess it's a difference of opinion. If 25% of a population believes they should live by 7th century rules in the 21st century world, they will reap what they sow. They sure will. I just don't hold the other 75% responsible for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 They sure will. I just don't hold the other 75% responsible for them. You don't, I do. Just like the KKK example. Fifty years ago, they had far more support than they do now. Public shaming of the supporters did wonders to that silent majority who may have been on the fence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 There's a right and a wrong. By turning a blind eye to the wrongs is exactly how we got to this position. Did you miss the part where they are actually warring with Muslim nations who strenuosly oppose them? What more forceful rebuke could they possibly give then to go to war? That aside, you had best get after those Southern Lutherans to put an end to the sexual abuses of the Catholic Church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Did you miss the part where they are actually warring with Muslim nations who strenuosly oppose them? What more forceful rebuke could they possibly give then to go to war? That aside, you had best get after those Southern Lutherans to put an end to the sexual abuses of the Catholic Church. Yes, the moral equivalence card. I must have missed the outpouring of all the support for the pedophile priests and the silence that accompanied the accusations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 Yes, the moral equivalence card. I must have missed the outpouring of all the support for the pedophile priests and the silence that accompanied the accusations. I think that's a stretch, only because the folks with any authority in those Catholic institutions actually do care about public opinion and aren't loony. The folks with authority in a group like ISIS seem more resistant to that sort of thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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