Global warming err Climate change HOAX

[row_33]

" the actual science"

 

bless your naive and tender little heart...

 

[westerndecline]

6 hours ago, row_33 said:

" the actual science"

 

bless your naive and tender little heart...

 

I think the earth is warming slightly but its cyclical and the human excuses are simply for funding

 

In other words there's wildfires, give x foundation $$$

 

 

If you can't blame humans, the $ stops.

 

It's confirmation bias 

[DC Tom]

28 minutes ago, westerndecline said:

I think the earth is warming slightly but its cyclical and the human excuses are simply for funding

 

In other words there's wildfires, give x foundation $$$

 

 

If you can't blame humans, the $ stops.

 

It's confirmation bias 

 

That's not confirmation bias. 

You are hilariously ignorant.

[westerndecline]

If you have a preconceived notions humans are causing global warming, and you only look for evidence confirming human caused global warming, yes Tom u weird person, that's confirmation bias

 

 

[row_33]

2 hours ago, westerndecline said:

I think the earth is warming slightly but its cyclical and the human excuses are simply for funding

 

In other words there's wildfires, give x foundation $$$

 

 

If you can't blame humans, the $ stops.

 

It's confirmation bias 

 

1. All research is funded by someone, either (for the sake of simplicity) government or private interests.  They have an agenda, even if is it totally disinterested and holy and pure, and determine WHAT is to be studied and WHAT the parameters of study are and WHAT will constitute PROOF. You can't get away from this in total objectivity, and that doesn't necessarily make it bad.

 

2. Everyone with a learned specialty, be it chemical engineering or accounting or plumbing or cold-call sales, has a specialist's vocabulary and KNOWS that people who don't have this learning are missing out on definitions and nuances and cheat-codes when we present our findings to outsiders. This can be a total scam on the unknowing public, it doesn't make it necessarily a bad thing all the time, a surgeon doesn't tell you everything about what is going to happen to your loved one...

 

Put both things together and it makes a hash of science as CNN reports in terms of written in stone.

 

It doesn't make it a bad thing or conclusion, but it's sitting there for those of us who know this....

 

 

[DC Tom]

19 minutes ago, row_33 said:

 

1. All research is funded by someone, either (for the sake of simplicity) government or private interests.  They have an agenda, even if is it totally disinterested and holy and pure, and determine WHAT is to be studied and WHAT the parameters of study are and WHAT will constitute PROOF. You can't get away from this in total objectivity, and that doesn't necessarily make it bad.

 

2. Everyone with a learned specialty, be it chemical engineering or accounting or plumbing or cold-call sales, has a specialist's vocabulary and KNOWS that people who don't have this learning are missing out on definitions and nuances and cheat-codes when we present our findings to outsiders. This can be a total scam on the unknowing public, it doesn't make it necessarily a bad thing all the time, a surgeon doesn't tell you everything about what is going to happen to your loved one...

 

Put both things together and it makes a hash of science as CNN reports in terms of written in stone.

 

It doesn't make it a bad thing or conclusion, but it's sitting there for those of us who know this....

 

 

 

This is pretty much how it works:

 

[row_33]

I have a friend in medical research and he says his role is basically to present percentages on possible mental and health issues that a fetus may develop, which he says basically lets people feel better about an abortion because there's a .01% chance of something wrong

 

I've met 6 people whose mothers were told larger percentages, 40% as the highest (which didn't happen)  and they went ahead with their child anyway.

 

 

so embracing some mystical concept of "science" as always objective and doing wonderful things isn't always a good idea...

 

Edited December 9, 2017 by row_33

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Just now, row_33 said:

I have a friend in medical research and he says his role is basically to present percentages on possible mental and health issues that a fetus may develop, which he says basically lets people feel better about an abortion because there's a .01 chance of something wrong

 

I've met 6 people whose mothers were told larger percentages, 40% as the highest (which didn't happen)  and they went ahead with their child anyway.

Your friend should just let people go full retard.  Tell them there is a 100% mortality rate in all children born with at least one X chromosome

 

And for double jeopardy, any expectant mothers that continue with pregnancy should be warned of the correlations between birth defects and mothers who drink water during pregnancy 

 

[row_33]

he's very militant choice on the matter, but finds it ripping into his conscience at times

 

when a doc advises to abort based on small percentages it's getting past, ah eff it... i've said enough....

 

 

[DC Tom]

6 minutes ago, row_33 said:

I have a friend in medical research and he says his role is basically to present percentages on possible mental and health issues that a fetus may develop, which he says basically lets people feel better about an abortion because there's a .01% chance of something wrong

 

I've met 6 people whose mothers were told larger percentages, 40% as the highest (which didn't happen)  and they went ahead with their child anyway.

 

 

so embracing some mystical concept of "science" as always objective and doing wonderful things isn't always a good idea...

 

 

That's not science, it's either marketing of psychology (not that there's all that much difference.)

And medicine is barely science.  There's too much variations in humans, and too many external factors that can impact development.

2 minutes ago, row_33 said:

he's very militant choice on the matter, but finds it ripping into his conscience at times

 

when a doc advises to abort based on small percentages it's getting past, ah eff it... i've said enough....

 

 

 

It's wrong.  The doc's job should be to ensure the woman's choice is informed.  Not "advised."

 

Of course, even with complete information people still make bad decisions.  But it's no one's fault but theirs they don't have proper risk analysis skills.

[ExiledInIllinois]

22 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

But it's no one's fault but theirs they don't have proper risk analysis skills.

Until they stop vaxxing their children, then it's all our problems.

 

I got into this argument w/an AA co-worker... It all started with that recent article on the last 3 people who use an iron lung.  Co-worker is 50 and never heard of what an iron lung is.  Never heard of herd immunity, etc... Well, he doesn't vax his kids because it "poisons Africa" and the risk of getting harmed by the vax is "too great."  Maybe polio needs to make a comeback to sharpen his risk analysis skills.  Heck, not sharpen, instill at least a hint of them.

 

And you thought I was crazy.

[3rdnlng]

5 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

Until they stop vaxxing their children, then it's all our problems.

 

I got into this argument w/an AA co-worker... It all started with that recent article on the last 3 people who use an iron lung.  Co-worker is 50 and never heard of what an iron lung is.  Never heard of herd immunity, etc... Well, he doesn't vax his kids because it "poisons Africa" and the risk of getting harmed by the vax is "too great."  Maybe polio needs to make a comeback to sharpen his risk analysis skills.  Heck, not sharpen, instill at least a hint of them.

 

And you thought I was crazy.

Polio has started to make a comeback.

[DC Tom]

17 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

Until they stop vaxxing their children, then it's all our problems.

 

I got into this argument w/an AA co-worker... It all started with that recent article on the last 3 people who use an iron lung.  Co-worker is 50 and never heard of what an iron lung is.  Never heard of herd immunity, etc... Well, he doesn't vax his kids because it "poisons Africa" and the risk of getting harmed by the vax is "too great."  Maybe polio needs to make a comeback to sharpen his risk analysis skills.  Heck, not sharpen, instill at least a hint of them.

 

And you thought I was crazy.

 

Vaccines, as a public health issue, are an exception I'd make.  

Abortion...that's a personal decision, not a public health issue.  !@#$ up your risk management all you want.

[ExiledInIllinois]

15 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

Polio has started to make a comeback.

Trying telling that to some of these anti-vaxxers.

 

Tom hit the nail.  Risk analysis is at an all time low.  Too much playing high-risk, high reward.  In this case, I am not sure what that reward is outside of a 1 in 10,000 (not really sure what the odds are, but they are no doubt bad) of getting harmed by the vax.

2 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

Vaccines, as a public health issue, are an exception I'd make.  

Abortion...that's a personal decision, not a public health issue.  !@#$ up your risk management all you want.

Agree.

Edited December 9, 2017 by ExiledInIllinois

[DC Tom]

3 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

Tom hit the nail.  Risk analysis is at an all time low.  Too much playing high-risk, high reward.  In this case, I am not sure what that reward is outside of a 1 in 10,000 (not really sure what the odds are, but they are no doubt bad) of getting harmed by the vax.

 

Permanent harm?  Pretty low.  Guillian-Barre from a flu shot is about a 1 in 500,000 chance.  For MMR, serious and long-term reactions are virtually unheard of (so rare, it's statistically impossible to link them to the vaccine.)  Yellow Fever vaccine, about 2 per million will suffer organ failure and die...which is still a hell of a lot better than getting Yellow Fever (by a factor of about 100,000).

Temporary discomfort?  Hell, anytime I get a flu or tetanus shot (every five years...having a wood shop, it seems prudent) I get sick for a couple days - low fever, discomfort, achy.  Because that's what a vaccine is supposed to do: trigger an immunological reaction.  That's what a fever is.  It's not a reason to not get a shot - it tells you the shot is working, and your immune system is responding properly to it.  

 

Americans expect to live in not just a low-risk, but a zero-risk society.  Frickin' snowflakes.

[ExiledInIllinois]

Just now, DC Tom said:

 

Permanent harm?  Pretty low.  Guillian-Barre from a flu shot is about a 1 in 500,000 chance.  For MMR, serious and long-term reactions are virtually unheard of (so rare, it's statistically impossible to link them to the vaccine.)  Yellow Fever vaccine, about 2 per million will suffer organ failure and die...which is still a hell of a lot better than getting Yellow Fever (by a factor of about 100,000).

Temporary discomfort?  Hell, anytime I get a flu or tetanus shot (every five years...having a wood shop, it seems prudent) I get sick for a couple days - low fever, discomfort, achy.  Because that's what a vaccine is supposed to do: trigger an immunological reaction.  That's what a fever is.  It's not a reason to not get a shot - it tells you the shot is working, and your immune system is responding properly to it.  

 

Americans expect to live in not just a low-risk, but a zero-risk society.  Frickin' snowflakes.

Thanks for the numbers!

[DC Tom]

1 minute ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

Thanks for the numbers!

 

You knew I'd give them.

Less severe side effects are more common, of course.  Like...fever from a tetanus shot, and even then, I'm still an outlier (one in ten thousand, maybe).  But when EVERYTHING is THE BIGGEST TRAGEDY IN THE HISTORY OF EVERYTHING, and WE'RE ALL VICTIMS OH-MY-GOD WHY ISN'T SOMEONE PROTECTING ME, a fever is the end of the goddamn world.

[ExiledInIllinois]

17 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

You knew I'd give them.

Less severe side effects are more common, of course.  Like...fever from a tetanus shot, and even then, I'm still an outlier (one in ten thousand, maybe).  But when EVERYTHING is THE BIGGEST TRAGEDY IN THE HISTORY OF EVERYTHING, and WE'RE ALL VICTIMS OH-MY-GOD WHY ISN'T SOMEONE PROTECTING ME, a fever is the end of the goddamn world.

On top of it... Taking your children in to get vaxxed, they hand you all the stuff on what to do if harmed... How to seek remediation, etc...  And people still go off the deep end.

 

To steal your main theme: Idiots!

[DC Tom]

Just now, ExiledInIllinois said:

On top of it... Taking your children in to get vaxxed, they hand you all the stuff on what to do if harmed... How to seek remediation, etc...  And people still go off the deep end.

 

To steal your main theme: Idiots!

 

You know, I've been calling people idiots for years...pretty much ever since I could talk, really.  It may have been my first word.  And my mother always used to yell at me..."Don't say that!  That's not nice!  People aren't idiots!"

 

Then a couple years ago she calls me and says "You know what?  I'm sorry for yelling at you.  You're right.  People ARE idiots!"  

 

Then she went and voted for Trump.

 

People are idiots.

[KD in CA]

4 hours ago, row_33 said:

I have a friend in medical research and he says his role is basically to present percentages on possible mental and health issues that a fetus may develop, which he says basically lets people feel better about an abortion because there's a .01% chance of something wrong

 

I've met 6 people whose mothers were told larger percentages, 40% as the highest (which didn't happen)  and they went ahead with their child anyway.

 

 

so embracing some mystical concept of "science" as always objective and doing wonderful things isn't always a good idea...

 

 

But..but....what if it's "settled science"?

[DC Tom]

1 hour ago, KD in CA said:

 

But..but....what if it's "settled science"?

 

What, no one ever told you that the luminiferous aether really does exist?  No such thing as continental drift, either...earthquakes and mountains occur because the earth shrinks as it cools.

[Azalin]

15 hours ago, DC Tom said:

 

What, no one ever told you that the luminiferous aether really does exist?  No such thing as continental drift, either...earthquakes and mountains occur because the earth shrinks as it cools.

 

So, there really is no gravity and the Earth truly just sucks?

 

Next you'll tell me that the wind blows, too.

[DC Tom]

58 minutes ago, Azalin said:

 

So, there really is no gravity and the Earth truly just sucks?

 

Next you'll tell me that the wind blows, too.

 

No, there's gravity.  There's just no nuclear weapons, because Newtonian Physics is settled science.

[Azalin]

13 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

No, there's gravity.  There's just no nuclear weapons, because Newtonian Physics is settled science.

 

What?! Next you're going to tell me that Schrodinger never owned a cat....

[DC Tom]

1 hour ago, Azalin said:

 

What?! Next you're going to tell me that Schrodinger never owned a cat....

 

Of course he did.  He kept it at Werner Heisenberg's...we think.  We're not sure, because the cat was very fast.

[TH3]

23 hours ago, DC Tom said:

 

Permanent harm?  Pretty low.  Guillian-Barre from a flu shot is about a 1 in 500,000 chance.  For MMR, serious and long-term reactions are virtually unheard of (so rare, it's statistically impossible to link them to the vaccine.)  Yellow Fever vaccine, about 2 per million will suffer organ failure and die...which is still a hell of a lot better than getting Yellow Fever (by a factor of about 100,000).

Temporary discomfort?  Hell, anytime I get a flu or tetanus shot (every five years...having a wood shop, it seems prudent) I get sick for a couple days - low fever, discomfort, achy.  Because that's what a vaccine is supposed to do: trigger an immunological reaction.  That's what a fever is.  It's not a reason to not get a shot - it tells you the shot is working, and your immune system is responding properly to it.  

 

Americans expect to live in not just a low-risk, but a zero-risk society.  Frickin' snowflakes. I also realize how ironic the preceding science I just quoted is...after all, I have spent page after page trying to discredit the science behind global warming...and here I am using it....I must be an idiot!

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[row_33]

Waiting longer to have children increases the risk of problems, dust bunnies in men and women in their 30s and 40s are factors

 

 

[Azalin]

1 hour ago, DC Tom said:

 

Of course he did.  He kept it at Werner Heisenberg's...we think.  We're not sure, because the cat was very fast.

 

    If I'd been both alive and dead at the same time, I'd be moving pretty fast once that box was opened too.

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3 hours ago, DC Tom said:

 

No, there's gravity.  There's just no nuclear weapons, because Newtonian Physics is settled science.

But Newtonian Physics is a Western European construct and is thus open to interpretation

 

 

[DC Tom]

1 hour ago, baskin said:

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You are useless.  You haven't understood a word anyone's said, have you?

[B-Man]

If you've seen the viral starving polar bear photo, read this thread on why linking it to global warming is BS

 

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2017/12/10/if-youve-seen-the-viral-starving-polar-bear-photo-read-this-thread-on-why-linking-it-to-global-warming-is-bs/?utm_campaign=twitchywidget

[B-Man]

MORE GLOBAL WARMING FRAUD: THIS TIME, IT’S SEA LEVEL

 

In a new paper published in Earth Systems and Environment this month, Australian scientists Dr. Albert Parker and Dr. Clifford Ollier uncover evidence that Permanent Service for Mean Sea Level (PSMSL) overseers appear to have been engaging in the “highly questionable” and “suspicious” practice of adjusting historical tide gauge data to show recent accelerated sea level rise where no such acceleration (or rise) exists.

 

Extensive evidence from “tide gauges, coastal morphology, stratigraphy, radiocarbon dating, archaeological remains, and historical documentation” all suggest that sea levels in the Indian Ocean have effectively been stable in recent decades.

The data-adjusters take misaligned and incomplete sea level data from tide gauges that show no sea level rise (or even a falling trend). Then, they subjectively and arbitrarily cobble them together, or realign them. In each case assessed, PSMSL data-adjusters lower the earlier misaligned rates and raise the more recent measurements. By doing so, they concoct a new linearly-rising trend.

 

 

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[DC Tom]

54 minutes ago, B-Man said:

MORE GLOBAL WARMING FRAUD: THIS TIME, IT’S SEA LEVEL

 

In a new paper published in Earth Systems and Environment this month, Australian scientists Dr. Albert Parker and Dr. Clifford Ollier uncover evidence that Permanent Service for Mean Sea Level (PSMSL) overseers appear to have been engaging in the “highly questionable” and “suspicious” practice of adjusting historical tide gauge data to show recent accelerated sea level rise where no such acceleration (or rise) exists.

 

Extensive evidence from “tide gauges, coastal morphology, stratigraphy, radiocarbon dating, archaeological remains, and historical documentation” all suggest that sea levels in the Indian Ocean have effectively been stable in recent decades.

The data-adjusters take misaligned and incomplete sea level data from tide gauges that show no sea level rise (or even a falling trend). Then, they subjectively and arbitrarily cobble them together, or realign them. In each case assessed, PSMSL data-adjusters lower the earlier misaligned rates and raise the more recent measurements. By doing so, they concoct a new linearly-rising trend.

 

 

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That's not fraud, that's an excellent example of what I keep saying is one of the biggest problems with global warming "science."  You can prove damn near anything with the data as long as you choose the right baseline.

[westerndecline]

On 12/8/2017 at 8:29 PM, DC Tom said:

 

Permanent harm?  Pretty low.  Guillian-Barre from a flu shot is about a 1 in 500,000 chance.  For MMR, serious and long-term reactions are virtually unheard of (so rare, it's statistically impossible to link them to the vaccine.)  Yellow Fever vaccine, about 2 per million will suffer organ failure and die...which is still a hell of a lot better than getting Yellow Fever (by a factor of about 100,000).

Temporary discomfort?  Hell, anytime I get a flu or tetanus shot (every five years...having a wood shop, it seems prudent) I get sick for a couple days - low fever, discomfort, achy.  Because that's what a vaccine is supposed to do: trigger an immunological reaction.  That's what a fever is.  It's not a reason to not get a shot - it tells you the shot is working, and your immune system is responding properly to it.  

 

Americans expect to live in not just a low-risk, but a zero-risk society.  Frickin' snowflakes.

 

 

Does this fight gw libtards???

Edited December 13, 2017 by westerndecline

[B-Man]

This is what the EPA headquarters in D.C. looked like on Friday. 

 

 

 

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Robert Maguire
✔@RobertMaguire_

A water fountain at the EPA backed up and started spewing sewage into the hallway https://www.eenews.net/eenewspm/2017/12/14/stories/1060069063 …

12:02 PM - Dec 15, 2017

 

 

 

But it gets better: The literal s*it storm occurred at the William Jefferson Clinton building

 

IRONY IS DEAD............

 

 

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[3rdnlng]

6 minutes ago, B-Man said:

This is what the EPA headquarters in D.C. looked like on Friday. 

 

 

 

 

 

But it gets better: The literal s*it storm occurred at the William Jefferson Clinton building

 

IRONY IS DEAD............

 

 

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They need to practice handling spills like this one:

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/08/09/navajo-nation-epa-spill/31384515/

 

 

Edited December 16, 2017 by 3rdnlng

[3rdnlng]

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/12/15/breaking-trump-to-remove-climate-change-as-a-national-security-threat/

 

The Trump administration will reverse course from previous Obama administration policy, eliminating climate change from a list of national security threats. The National Security Strategy to be released on Monday will emphasize the importance of balancing energy security with economic development and environmental protection, according to a source who has seen the document and shared excerpts of a late draft.

“Climate policies will continue to shape the global energy system,” a draft of the National Security Strategy slated to be released on Monday said. “U.S. leadership is indispensable to countering an anti-growth, energy agenda that is detrimental to U.S. economic and energy security interests. Given future global energy demand, much of the developing world will require fossil fuels, as well as other forms of energy, to power their economies and lift their people out of poverty.”

…

President Obama made climate change, and the burdensome regulations that accompany its focus, a primary focus of his administration, including in his National Security Strategy released in 2015. “[W]e are working toward an ambitious new global climate change agreement to shape standards for prevention, preparedness, and response over the next decade,” that report said.

“In some ways, [climate change] is akin to the problem of terrorism and ISIL,” Obama said at climate talks in Paris in 2015. During a weekly address, Obama said “Today, there is no greater threat to our planet than climate change.”

In September 2016, President Obama released a memorandum requiring federal agencies to consider the effects of climate change in the development of national security-related doctrine, policies, and plans. All of this alarmed critics concerned with more pressing security risks.

[B-Man]

SCOTT PRUITT, THE MAN THEY LOVE TO HATE:

Listing his principles, he started with one he often mentions. “We must reject as a nation the false paradigm that if you are pro-energy, you are anti-environment, and if you are pro-environment, you are anti-energy. I utterly reject that narrative. .  .  . It is not an either-or proposition.”

 

The New York Times is Pruitt’s most vigorous media critic. In August, it featured a front-page story under the headline “Scott Pruitt Is Carrying Out His E.P.A. Agenda in Secret.” The story, among other things, noted he’s “the first head of the agency to ever request round-the-clock security.”

 

Smart move by Pruitt. Given the way he’s been demonized, he needs the security. In September, the Washington Postreported that his guards—“triple the manpower” of his predecessors—are pulling agents away from “pursuing environmental crimes.” The story didn’t mention the EPA has 15,000 employees.

Read the whole thing.

 

 

Earlier: Think “Progress” melts down because “More than 700 employees have left the EPA since Scott Pruitt took over.”

 

The rest of us think “faster, please.”

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[B-Man]

WELL, GOOD: Georgia regulators say nuclear reactors, nation’s first since 1978, will be finished.

 

 

It’s nice to see a progressive state like Georgia taking the lead on reducing greenhouse gasses.

 

 

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[Albwan]

Ya because in millions of years before humans the world never went batS%$# crazy

with changes....

lol at people...humans as they are built are short timers on this planet.

they will find their skeletons holding their cell phones for dear life in the far off

future.