dubs Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 It's the same thing. "The Ryan Neufeld Syndrome" was not necessarily only from Ryan Neufeld. He was simply another in a long line of decent, slow, white, mediocre tight ends. They were clones of each other and they all sucked. To be a TE in the NFL you need at least one outstanding talent or trait. You need to be a great receiver, or huge, or a great ath-a-lete, or a great blocker, which are usually you have it or you don't stuff, and then try to refine the lesser parts of your game while you try to exploit the one thing you do well. Ryan Neufeld and all those tight ends did nothing really well, and so they were useless. Lee Smith is worse than Ryan Nuefeld in most tight end qualities but he does one thing really well, he's a great blocker, so there is a place and a use for him. Jeff Tuel seems like a great guy and hard worker. But he isn't huge, he isn't a great ath-a-lete, he doesn't have a great arm, he isn't a great scrambler, he is fairly accurate but not tremendously accurate. He can't do anything great. He was 4-21 in college (yes I know his team was terrible) and he was undrafted. So in order for him to become even a valuable back-up, he will have to be a tremendous game manager and rarely make mistakes and have a unique feel for the game and that is not at all what he shows. What he shows is a great pass once in a while, and a quick dropback-look-throw once in awhile. And that's it. And if that's it, he stinks. Amen brother. That was a perfect summation of Tuel and should be pinned to the stadium wall. I actually might cut and paste that into my notepad so I can re paste!!! Love it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 You did pick up the highlights...the baby I was referring to was EJ I am anxious to see more of the 1st string D and the OL...with the exception of TJ, the WRs can catch and the RBs can run. I really like our skill positions skill positions looked great. K. Williams seems to get better every season. (not a "skill position", but I love that guy). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TXBILLSFAN Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 No offense but I couldn't disagree more. Especially in game 1 of 5 game preseason. If EJ got injured playing an extra series, people would be wanting to fire Marrone. I'd agree if EJ was playing well, but, he wasn't and a few more plays, even one more series is what he needs at this time in his development. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 His health won't matter if he isn't ready to play. He played only 10 snaps and looked bad, I'd kept him in there for another series or two. It's worth the risk. Says the guy who doesn't have to answer to his GM and Prez if the de facto starting QB misses significant time because the 7th round rookie LT lets a guy through who dives at EJ's knee because he's desperate to avoid going back to the grocery store bagging line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpperDeck Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 Well, here's about 9 minutes of highlights from last year showing quite a few of those passes you're looking for. http://youtu.be/VBDqyq_6Oc0 Yeah, but did you see how he stared down his receiver on those? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 Your right. EJ is fantastic. What was I thinking. Oh, the EJ apologists are this board will go to no lengths to absolve him. Your citing Brian Billick as an expert on offensive strategy?? You do realize also that EJ stared down not only Watkins on that play, but also the play that could have and should have been a pick six. And perhaps your not aware, but even a 3 step drop does not absolve a QB of staring down the receiver. Notice that even Nassib (who is not good) was able to look at multiple WR and go through his progressions. EJ has simply not progressed. He needs more playing time. Not sure what the coaches are thinking, "well, he doesn't have it in preseason, we will play him two series, but he'll be fine in the regular season." Yes, that's exactly what I said...EJ is fantastic. It's a shame that not only do you horribly mischaracterize what happens on the field, but also what others post. I used to be that way too...you'll likely grow out of it, as I'm sure deep down you're actually a nice person. As many others point out, it's okay if the QB's first read is open and he throws it. That's what happened on the deep ball. Let me ask you a question that you're horribly neglecting? Was Watkins open? Yes, yes he was. Why, if you're a QB, and you see your #1 WR breaking down the field with a step on his man, would you waste time looking off a safety that isn't in position? That would be counter-productive and idiotic. EJ didn't do it...instead, he threw the ball at the back of his drop. If Sammy is in position and doesn't run too tight down the sideline (and also doesn't hitch step when turning for the ball--which I'm sure you saw since you watched the game) he makes the catch. The fact that you categorize a QB making a decision and throwing the ball when a WR clears open as "staring down" tells me all I need to know about your evaluation of a QB. You also realize Watkins can prob cover about 10 yards in a stride. and it looked like 1.5 strides too far. But continue citing inapposite facts to defend EJ. He is terrible right now. There is no way around that. It's a verifiable fact. I think if he plays more, then he will be fine. But even if you said, he had SEVEN passes. How is that going to get him ready for the regular season?? It's not. The coaching staff needs to quit "hoping" he gets it, and put him in a position to actually "get it" by playing him more. A few things: 1) No, it wasn't 10 yards overthrown, and insisting it was is damaging to your credibility. 2) I have no idea what "inapposite" means. 3) Please do not characterize your opinions as facts; it is not only inaccurate, but also beyond belligerent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34-78-83 Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 Yes, that's exactly what I said...EJ is fantastic. It's a shame that not only do you horribly mischaracterize what happens on the field, but also what others post. I used to be that way too...you'll likely grow out of it, as I'm sure deep down you're actually a nice person. As many others point out, it's okay if the QB's first read is open and he throws it. That's what happened on the deep ball. Let me ask you a question that you're horribly neglecting? Was Watkins open? Yes, yes he was. Why, if you're a QB, and you see your #1 WR breaking down the field with a step on his man, would you waste time looking off a safety that isn't in position? That would be counter-productive and idiotic. EJ didn't do it...instead, he threw the ball at the back of his drop. If Sammy is in position and doesn't run too tight down the sideline (and also doesn't hitch step when turning for the ball--which I'm sure you saw since you watched the game) he makes the catch. The fact that you categorize a QB making a decision and throwing the ball when a WR clears open as "staring down" tells me all I need to know about your evaluation of a QB. A few things: 1) No, it wasn't 10 yards overthrown, and insisting it was is damaging to your credibility. 2) I have no idea what "inapposite" means. 3) Please do not characterize your opinions as facts; it is not only inaccurate, but also beyond belligerent. Well done. Well done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 Well done. Well done. Not too much then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpperDeck Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 You also realize Watkins can prob cover about 10 yards in a stride. and it looked like 1.5 strides too far. But continue citing inapposite facts to defend EJ. He is terrible right now. There is no way around that. It's a verifiable fact. I think if he plays more, then he will be fine. But even if you said, he had SEVEN passes. How is that going to get him ready for the regular season?? It's not. The coaching staff needs to quit "hoping" he gets it, and put him in a position to actually "get it" by playing him more. Now I KNOW Watkins will be great. He has almost a 30 foot stride. Who could ever keep up with him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34-78-83 Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 Not too much then? that's probably a matter of personal preference. I'm fine with it though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heitz Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 Now I KNOW Watkins will be great. He has almost a 30 foot stride. Who could ever keep up with him? He's got big, soft hands and 15' legs - SUPERBOWL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TXBILLSFAN Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 Says the guy who doesn't have to answer to his GM and Prez if the de facto starting QB misses significant time because the 7th round rookie LT lets a guy through who dives at EJ's knee because he's desperate to avoid going back to the grocery store bagging line. As Prez or GM, my #1 concern right now is QB. My roster, even without Kiko looks good. My QB doesn't. My #1 priority in the off-season was to surround my QB with better players, WR's and OL. As HC, my priority is to get my QB playing at a higher level. I know there is risk, but there is risk slipping on a wet mat or training in the off-season. This team's success this season will be determined by EJ's play, he needs more reps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 Now I KNOW Watkins will be great. He has almost a 30 foot stride. Who could ever keep up with him? I had the same thought Yeah, but did you see how he stared down his receiver on those? I was staring into his eyes. They looked very slow.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpperDeck Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 (edited) As Prez or GM, my #1 concern right now is QB. My roster, even without Kiko looks good. My QB doesn't. My #1 priority in the off-season was to surround my QB with better players, WR's and OL. As HC, my priority is to get my QB playing at a higher level. I know there is risk, but there is risk slipping on a wet mat or training in the off-season. This team's success this season will be determined by EJ's play, he needs more reps. And Lord knows there isn't enough playing time left with only 4 preseason game remaining. Our first team OL was not at full strength and there's plenty of playing time left in the preseason. I wouldn't be all that concerned about getting him enough playing time. This game was bonus time compared to a normal preseason schedule. He'll get more time in the next 3 games then the last one will be like the first, a quick series or 2 then out. Edited August 4, 2014 by UpperDeck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 Well, here's about 9 minutes of highlights from last year showing quite a few of those passes you're looking for. Certainly a good case for optimism regarding EJ. Conversely, a case for... why did we trade Stevie again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 Yes, he looked calmer and more in control than last season, but you can't teach instincts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 I am confused by a lot of you. Saying things like EJ is a slow starter or it's a meaningless game or if Williams had made a great catch etc,. He almost could not have looked worse. Multiple batted down passes, throwing it into the hands of a defender, not a single nice pass other than a very short one. None of this proves he is not the answer, but it inspires zero confidence. Hopefully, this works out. Hope is the best we currently have. You'll run afoul of the EJ Apologists with that kind of talk. What kind of 'talk'? Truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 You'll run afoul of the EJ Apologists with that kind of talk. What kind of 'talk'? Truth. I love how anyone that doesn't agree that EJ is terrible is an "apologist". It's also massively disappointing to see how many folks believe that their opinion is "Truth" The fact that a moderator is doing it further sets a brutal example, but that's just my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB3 Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 You'll run afoul of the EJ Apologists with that kind of talk. What kind of 'talk'? Truth. So now conjecture=truth. Got it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
You herd it hear last Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 I love how anyone that doesn't agree that EJ is terrible is an "apologist". It's also massively disappointing to see how many folks believe that their opinion is "Truth" The fact that a moderator is doing it further sets a brutal example, but that's just my opinion. Ironically, in this case, your opinion is the truth. But what do I know? I'm just an EJ apologist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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