What is better, no guns, or more guns?

[Doc]

1 hour ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

Seems he wants to live in a box/world where anything that a conservative or libertarian says... it's fake. Guess he hasn't noticed his woke party thinking it's cook that kids change their gender at 4 and identify as therian at the age of 12 (this girl also IDs herself as that... I had to look up what it even meant). 

 

I just don't see why, when children are getting their genitals removed, that a kid having a litter box at school is so offensive/unbelievable.  

[BillStime]

3 hours ago, Doc said:

 

Wrong.  But not sure why this is so hard for you (and y'all) to accept?  

It’s a hoax. 

[Doc]

4 minutes ago, BillStime said:

It’s a hoax. 

 

Like you know.

[BillStime]

Just now, Doc said:

 

Like you know.

Its a hoax. If it wasn’t you would go out of your way to validate it.

[Doc]

Just now, BillStime said:

Its a hoax. If it wasn’t you would go out of your way to validate it.

 

I validated it with several people whose kids go to the school where it happened.

[BillStime]

5 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

I validated it with several people whose kids go to the school where it happened.

Just freakin Google it man - you are embarrassing yourself.

[Orlando Tim]

5 minutes ago, BillStime said:

Just freakin Google it man - you are embarrassing yourself.

Google used to state in 2010 that the largest playoff comeback in NFL history was some other team besides the Bills, Google is not the be all end all of searches. Because using a different search engine I found this: 

https://www.whec.com/archive/fact-check-cat-litter-in-schools/

 

Which did not pop up on Google. Beyond that kids do dumb crap like this all the time, putting kitty litter in the bathroom would not even crack the top ten dumb crap my students have done this year. I doubt any school officially sanctioned this but sometimes teachers do dumb things to help kids feel accepted 

 

 

[BillStime]

48 minutes ago, Orlando Tim said:

Google used to state in 2010 that the largest playoff comeback in NFL history was some other team besides the Bills, Google is not the be all end all of searches. Because using a different search engine I found this: 

https://www.whec.com/archive/fact-check-cat-litter-in-schools/

 

Which did not pop up on Google. Beyond that kids do dumb crap like this all the time, putting kitty litter in the bathroom would not even crack the top ten dumb crap my students have done this year. I doubt any school officially sanctioned this but sometimes teachers do dumb things to help kids feel accepted 

 

 

Thanks confirming the hoax 

[Doc]

1 hour ago, BillStime said:

Just freakin Google it man - you are embarrassing yourself.

 

LOL!  Google...what?

 

And let me clarify that I don't believe the litter box is being used.  It's just there.

[BillStime]

1 minute ago, Doc said:

 

LOL!  Google...what?

 

And let me clarify that I don't believe the litter box is being used.  It's just there.

You’re a “doctor” - use your brain 

[Doc]

Just now, BillStime said:

You’re a “doctor” - use your brain 

 

Google "kids identifying as cats and having litter boxes has never happened anywhere in the world"?  LOL.  OK.

 

At one time you could also Google "children aren't getting gender-changing surgery" also...

[BillStime]

6 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Google "kids identifying as cats and having litter boxes has never happened anywhere in the world"?  LOL.  OK.

 

At one time you could also Google "children aren't getting gender-changing surgery" also...

It’s a hoax. 

[B-Man]

 

 

Civil Rights update.

 

Second Amendment Roundup: A Double Shot of Oral Arguments

“Large-capacity” magazines and semiautomatic rifles are “bearable arms” in common use, no different from the handguns in Heller,

but will two en banc courts agree?

 

https://reason.com/volokh/2024/04/03/second-amendment-roundup-a-double-shot-of-oral-arguments/

 

 

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[Doc]

5 hours ago, BillStime said:

It’s a hoax. 

 

I know everything you can't handle is a hoax.  But again, when kids can think they're the opposite sex and have their genitals mutilated over that belief, why a kid believing they are a cat and having a litter box is so unbelievable is really odd thinking.  At least there no permanent body-altering surgery is required.

 

 

[BillStime]

34 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

I know everything you can't handle is a hoax.  But again, when kids can think they're the opposite sex and have their genitals mutilated over that belief, why a kid believing they are a cat and having a litter box is so unbelievable is really odd thinking.  At least there no permanent body-altering surgery is required.

 

 

Doc - you could have already provided your “proof” but here you are changing the subject - and reminding everyone they you are no freakn way a physician.

 

Maybe go back to ignoring me because all you do is embarrass yourself.

 

You seem awfully desperate - and pathetic.

 

 

[Doc]

8 hours ago, BillStime said:

Doc - you could have already provided your “proof” but here you are changing the subject - and reminding everyone they you are no freakn way a physician.

 

Maybe go back to ignoring me because all you do is embarrass yourself.

 

You seem awfully desperate - and pathetic.

 

Brilliant analysis as usual "IT person."  On the spectrum of more unbelievable things, children thinking they're the opposite sex and having their genitals mutilated is far higher than a kid thinking they're a cat and being allowed to have a litter box at school.  It takes several layers of people to make the monumentally stupid decision to permanently alter a child's sex organs versus accommodating them with something innocuous like a litter box.

 

But hey, keep denying the clown show (literally) your party has become and is trying to push on children. 

[Orlando Tim]

15 hours ago, BillStime said:

Thanks confirming the hoax 

How is it a hoax? All that is stated by the school district is that there is no policy to do that, the fact that you think means no teacher did it shows how little you know about how some teachers now act.

[BillStime]

Yeah arm teachers 

 

 

[ArdmoreRyno]

On 4/4/2024 at 6:00 PM, BillStime said:

Another hoax.

 

 

 

What @Doc posted (litter box) was doing so as a joke. You replied "Another hoax" coming across that children's aren't IDing themselves as furries/cats/dogs/etc. They certainly are.   100% NOT a hoax.

On 4/6/2024 at 10:10 PM, BillStime said:

Yeah arm teachers 

 

 

 

No one said mistakes aren't going to happen. I'll take an accidental discharge over a school shooting. What's sad, this cop and what happened, that'll be counted as a "school shooting" by anti-gun groups and liberals. 

[Doc]

10 hours ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

What @Doc posted (litter box) was doing so as a joke. You replied "Another hoax" coming across that children's aren't IDing themselves as furries/cats/dogs/etc. They certainly are.   100% NOT a hoax.

 

The litter box thing wasn't a joke.  But I clarified that I don't believe that kids were going to the bathroom in them, if that's what people were thinking made it a hoax.

[BillStime]

Let's GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

 

 

[Tommy Callahan]

Lol at the morons eating up the Biden PR.  The gun show loophole was always about private sales that don't have backgrounds.  This is redundant to the laws we already have on the books.

 

 

[Gregg]

2 hours ago, BillStime said:

Let's GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

 

 

 

This will stop criminals how? You know they don't follow the rules or give a crap about the law.

[daz28]

9 minutes ago, Gregg said:

 

This will stop criminals how? You know they don't follow the rules or give a crap about the law.

Stiff penalties for those carrying stolen guns, and those who are careless with securing their weapons.  The only problem with this is that we incarcerate tons of people already, and I'm not sure it's making a difference.  Some kind of culture change may be necessary.  How to accomplish that is anyone's guess.  

[B-Man]

 

Another point of view.

 

[KDIGGZ]

4 hours ago, BillStime said:

Let's GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

 

 

Yes I see lots of criminals at the gun shows lol. It's usually fat old guys like you

[B-Man]

 

Must be an election coming.

 

 

 

DICTATOR-IN-CHIEF: Biden: ‘Absolutely’ More ‘Executive Action’ Gun Control Measures Coming.

 

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/biden-absolutely-more-executive-action-gun-control-measures-coming/

 

 

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[BillsFanNC]

 

[Orlando Tim]

Right now Sydney is happy a good guy with a gun was able to stop the dude with a knife. Anyone who focuses on the tool and not the person is too dumb for this conversation.

[KDIGGZ]

2 hours ago, Orlando Tim said:

Right now Sydney is happy a good guy with a gun was able to stop the dude with a knife. Anyone who focuses on the tool and not the person is too dumb for this conversation.

If this happened in a mall in Texas is there 6 victims? Not likely

[BillStime]

 

[boyst]

https://nypost.com/2024/04/19/us-news/trans-teen-allegedly-plotted-school-shootings-to-become-famous/

 

It's clearly a gun problem. not a mental health problem. duh.

[ChiGoose]

On 4/13/2024 at 1:31 PM, KDIGGZ said:

If this happened in a mall in Texas is there 6 victims? Not likely

Agreed. It’d be a hell of a lot more. 

Edited Tuesday at 03:51 AM by ChiGoose

[KDIGGZ]

5 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

Agreed. It’d be a hell of a lot more. 

There would be 1 and he would be going to the morgue and not prison. But they would never release the manifesto about how he's a he-she who identifies as a unicorn and it's all Trump's fault

[ChiGoose]

11 hours ago, KDIGGZ said:

There would be 1 and he would be going to the morgue and not prison. But they would never release the manifesto about how he's a he-she who identifies as a unicorn and it's all Trump's fault

 

Keeping in mind that the reason the Australian stabbing made international news is because of how rare mass killings are there, here's just some examples of how it goes when someone tries a mass killing in Texas:

 

• 2017: 26 year old Air Force vet opened fire at a church, killing 26 people
• 2017: 32 year old man opens fire at a football watch party, killing 8
• 2018: 17 year old killed 10 people at a high school near Huston
• 2019: 36 year old started randomly shooting people between Midland and Odessa, killing 7
• 2019: 21 year old opened fire at a Walmart, killing 22
• 2022: 18 year old kills 21 at Uvalde Elementary School
• 2023: Gunman kills 8 in mall shooting

Also, keep in mind that even in a country with so many guns:

•  self-defense gun use occurs in only 1% of shootings.
• More guns equals more gun homicides: for every 1% increase in gun ownership, the firearm homicide rate increased by 0.9%
• States with higher rates of gun ownership have disproportionately large numbers of firearm related homicides

 

So yeah, if someone wanted to kill a bunch of people in Texas, they'd just get a gun and mow people down.

[KDIGGZ]

1 minute ago, ChiGoose said:

 

Keeping in mind that the reason the Australian stabbing made international news is because of how rare mass killings are there, here's just some examples of how it goes when someone tries a mass killing in Texas:

 

• 2017: 26 year old Air Force vet opened fire at a church, killing 26 people
• 2017: 32 year old man opens fire at a football watch party, killing 8
• 2018: 17 year old killed 10 people at a high school near Huston
• 2019: 36 year old started randomly shooting people between Midland and Odessa, killing 7
• 2019: 21 year old opened fire at a Walmart, killing 22
• 2022: 18 year old kills 21 at Uvalde Elementary School
• 2023: Gunman kills 8 in mall shooting

Also, keep in mind that even in a country with so many guns:

•  self-defense gun use occurs in only 1% of shootings.
• More guns equals more gun homicides: for every 1% increase in gun ownership, the firearm homicide rate increased by 0.9%
• States with higher rates of gun ownership have disproportionately large numbers of firearm related homicides

 

So yeah, if someone wanted to kill a bunch of people in Texas, they'd just get a gun and mow people down.

They could also get a car and run people over or do a suicide bombing. What's your point? That you can use a gun to kill a lot of people? I would argue that there are much easier ways. So let's ban cars right? Makes a lot of sense. There used to not be a lot of mass casualty events in this country as well. But meanwhile there was always guns. So what changed?

[Tommy Callahan]

1 minute ago, ChiGoose said:

 

Keeping in mind that the reason the Australian stabbing made international news is because of how rare mass killings are there, here's just some examples of how it goes when someone tries a mass killing in Texas:

 

• 2017: 26 year old Air Force vet opened fire at a church, killing 26 people
• 2017: 32 year old man opens fire at a football watch party, killing 8
• 2018: 17 year old killed 10 people at a high school near Huston
• 2019: 36 year old started randomly shooting people between Midland and Odessa, killing 7
• 2019: 21 year old opened fire at a Walmart, killing 22
• 2022: 18 year old kills 21 at Uvalde Elementary School
• 2023: Gunman kills 8 in mall shooting

Also, keep in mind that even in a country with so many guns:

•  self-defense gun use occurs in only 1% of shootings.
• More guns equals more gun homicides: for every 1% increase in gun ownership, the firearm homicide rate increased by 0.9%
• States with higher rates of gun ownership have disproportionately large numbers of firearm related homicides

 

So yeah, if someone wanted to kill a bunch of people in Texas, they'd just get a gun and mow people down.

So you volunteering to go door to door in gangland?  

 

Forget the state.  That's macro, go micro to see the patterns.  Ie, counties with gun violence at the highest levels, don't allow legal ownership or make it almost impossible.

 

go by county or district if you really give a rats about the issue.

 

but you guys will spend all day parroting outliers and meta data.  

[ChiGoose]

5 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said:

They could also get a car and run people over or do a suicide bombing. What's your point? That you can use a gun to kill a lot of people? I would argue that there are much easier ways. So let's ban cars right? Makes a lot of sense. There used to not be a lot of mass casualty events in this country as well. But meanwhile there was always guns. So what changed?

 

I don't think there's a single reason why firearm deaths are increasing. It's probably a confluence of multiple factors. 

 

However, we do know ways to reduce them:

• Child-access prevention laws reduce total firearm self-injuries (including suicides) among young people
• Child-access prevention laws reduce firearm homicides or firearm assault injuries among young people
• Child-access prevention laws reduce unintentional firearm injuries and deaths among children
• Stand Your Ground laws *increase* total homicide rates, including firearm homicide rates
• Shall-issue concealed carry laws increase firearm homicides
• Dealer background checks and universal background checks reduce homicides
• Minimum age of purchase laws reduce firearm suicides
• Waiting periods reduce rates of firearm suicide and total homicide
• Gun possession prohibitions associated with domestic violence may reduce intimate partner homicides

 

5 minutes ago, Tommy Callahan said:

So you volunteering to go door to door in gangland?  

 

Forget the state.  That's macro, go micro to see the patterns.  Ie, counties with gun violence at the highest levels, don't allow legal ownership or make it almost impossible.

 

go by county or district if you really give a rats about the issue.

 

but you guys will spend all day parroting outliers and meta data.  

 

If you want to go micro, you might learn that rural countries have a 37% higher rate of firearm deaths than most urban counties.

[Tommy Callahan]

Now do firearm violence or crime. 

 

Did you cut and paste that directly from Bloomberg's site? 

 

 

[KDIGGZ]

43 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

 

I don't think there's a single reason why firearm deaths are increasing. It's probably a confluence of multiple factors. 

 

However, we do know ways to reduce them:

• Child-access prevention laws reduce total firearm self-injuries (including suicides) among young people
• Child-access prevention laws reduce firearm homicides or firearm assault injuries among young people
• Child-access prevention laws reduce unintentional firearm injuries and deaths among children
• Stand Your Ground laws *increase* total homicide rates, including firearm homicide rates
• Shall-issue concealed carry laws increase firearm homicides
• Dealer background checks and universal background checks reduce homicides
• Minimum age of purchase laws reduce firearm suicides
• Waiting periods reduce rates of firearm suicide and total homicide
• Gun possession prohibitions associated with domestic violence may reduce intimate partner homicides

 

 

If you want to go micro, you might learn that rural countries have a 37% higher rate of firearm deaths than most urban counties.

I would be for a lot of common sense laws. The reason others are not is a distrust in the government where if you give an inch they take a mile. Look at race or gay rights issues. When I was a kid it was let's make it so everyone is equal. Now it's all about how we aren't equal so they need equity. If we give in to tough gun laws then next will be gun confiscations. I wish we could all get along and do the right things but there is big divide between pro and anti gun groups. When the president says he's going to take your guns then no wonder people have dug their heels in