Luxy312 Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 No one said this. What's wrong with you? Jay Cutler missed like 5 games and Josh McCown came in and dominated. It was the biggest story of the year. Orton started a do-or-die game for the 'Boys. It happens. In any given year, you can find 20+ games where the backup QB doesn't see the field in any meaningful game situation. That's EXACTLY what I hope happens here with Buffalo. Lewis is a glorified back up and nothing more. C.Bisquit is right. When you trash one and pimp out another, you can't be more transparent. You're wrong, but at least you're transparent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted June 23, 2014 Author Share Posted June 23, 2014 In any given year, you can find 20+ games where the backup QB doesn't see the field in any meaningful game situation. That's EXACTLY what I hope happens here with Buffalo. Lewis is a glorified back up and nothing more. C.Bisquit is right. When you trash one and pimp out another, you can't be more transparent. You're wrong, but at least you're transparent. You don't even know me bro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luxy312 Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 You don't even know me bro. I don't need to know you. I see your posts on EJ and you LOVE to troll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted June 23, 2014 Author Share Posted June 23, 2014 I don't need to know you. I see your posts on EJ and you LOVE to troll. Show me one "troll post" on EJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 Thaddeus played pretty well in a backup role with no TC or mini camps for the Bills. I expect him to play better this year. He and EJ were about even in overall effectiveness. Same winning %. Thaddeus kindof got the short straw on competition though. Tough losses to Patsies and Bungles where he actually played pretty well but the D layed an egg. And a whippin' by the Saints I think it was. 3 playoff teams. And, he beat the Fish twice. Any Bills QB that beats the fish twice is OK in my book. As far as taking care of the football goes, ALL of our QBs need to work on that this off season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 I don't want Thad to start over Manuel...but I think people were pretty harsh in their criticism of him last season.. I think he did a credible job as a backup, particularly considering he had no training camp with the Bills, and was just barely a "vet" backup himself. He does need to work on the fumbling thing, but the guy had a knack for making some plays. I would say that the idea of wanting a starter should be evaluated on who gets results. If Thad gets better results than EJ, ultimately meaning getting the offense to move the ball, score points and compile wins as a team he should start. All of that is a "duh" to say but exceptionally hard in reality to judge and bring to fruition. EJ likely gets a little benefit of the doubt going into the season as he is the declared starter but the harder Thad or anyone else can push him to take that job away all the better for the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 I would say that the idea of wanting a starter should be evaluated on who gets results. If Thad gets better results than EJ, ultimately meaning getting the offense to move the ball, score points and compile wins as a team he should start. All of that is a "duh" to say but exceptionally hard in reality to judge and bring to fruition. EJ likely gets a little benefit of the doubt going into the season as he is the declared starter but the harder Thad or anyone else can push him to take that job away all the better for the team. This is true Coaching wise, but we fans are separate and tend to look towards the benches when we see something we don't like, which isn't horrible, but it's a terrible trend in Buffalo the next guy in line is always "the" guy. God help them if they don't pass the first "eye" test. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webster Guy Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 considering we will likely have benched or released 3 of 5 offensive linemen from last year, the fact that Thad was able to do anything is remarkable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 (edited) I like Thad as the backup. Although training camp reports have Tuel pushing him. Which is good because as we saw last year, sometimes you need all of your QB's. (hopefully our new O-line stops that from happening). Also, anyone know how Dennis Dixon has looked? He was decent in spot backup roles while in Pittsburgh. Seems to have all the tools, but just never put them together. Edited June 23, 2014 by RyanC883 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snamsnoops Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 I don't think it's rare at all for QB's to not get dinged up. Heck, if you look at the guys that started for most teams in the NFL, you would see QB's that played from the preseason through the playoffs (to the degree applicable). We didn't see Brock Osweiler coming in for Peyton Manning or Jordan Palmer taking snaps for Jay Cutler. What we need is for our starter to stay healthy and on the field, and not to assume that this year will look like last. NO another QB was taking snaps for Cutler. Josh McCown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 (edited) I don't think it's rare at all for QB's to not get dinged up. Heck, if you look at the guys that started for most teams in the NFL, It seems a lot of QBs DO get banged up every year. However, it seems that the playoff teams keep their starter upright throughout the year. Playoff QBs I can think of off the top of my head who made it through 2013 unscathed: Russell Wilson Peyton Manning Andrew "Suck For" Luck Drew Brees Tom Brady Phillip Rivers Dalton Colin Kaepernick Cam Newton Edited June 23, 2014 by reddogblitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Doug Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 People used to want Frank Reich to start over Jim Kelly, too... God bless his soul, but I think that's because Kelly used to throw up some real stinkers every now and again (imagine that!). Sure, he was a HOF QB, but he was also sounded by a HOF o-line, HOF WRs, HOF RB, and a consistent top-5 defense. Even EJ would've shined on those teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billrooter Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 I usually don't even post, but we have different opinions. First up the offensive line was very good, but they got dominated every super bowl, that's where the bills lost the super bowls on the line of scrimmage. The defense in my opinion was also very good, with alot of big names on it, but i doubt they were even a top ten defense in points against, or yardage during the super bowl years. With guys' like Jeff Wright and Leon Seals on the line they got pushed all around in the super bowls. The Bill's offense was a top five offense in the super bowl years, maybe even the best offense in the league in a few of those years, if the defense was also top five it's truly a travesty that a super bowl was never won, i kinda doubt a team has ever had a top 5 defense and offense in the same year, but stranger things could happen. Don't mean to call out your post, but our opinions vary so much, and your not giving Kelly the credit he deserves! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Thad Lewis is an above average NFL backup quarterback. No doubt about it. I think with this roster we could go 7-9, 8-8 with him starting 16 games. The idea is that we could be better than that if Manuel takes a step forward. We could be worse though. I guess we'll see. Not sure what else needs to be said on the topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 As I recall, the coaches were especially impressed with how well Thad knew the playbook, and system when EJ became injured. Thad had clearly done his homework and was ready when he stepped on the field. He had only been signed towards the end of preseason, as I recall. I don't believe he had played during preseason, at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 I would say that the idea of wanting a starter should be evaluated on who gets results. If Thad gets better results than EJ, ultimately meaning getting the offense to move the ball, score points and compile wins as a team he should start. All of that is a "duh" to say but exceptionally hard in reality to judge and bring to fruition. EJ likely gets a little benefit of the doubt going into the season as he is the declared starter but the harder Thad or anyone else can push him to take that job away all the better for the team. Agreed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Thad Lewis is an above average NFL backup quarterback. No doubt about it. I think with this roster we could go 7-9, 8-8 with him starting 16 games. The idea is that we could be better than that if Manuel takes a step forward. We could be worse though. I guess we'll see. Not sure what else needs to be said on the topic. I guess the question is: what makes a good backup QB? To me, "not making negative plays" is up there as the top criterion. In 6 games last year, Thad had 3 picks, 7 fumbles, and 18 sacks. He needs to do better. Maybe he will with more experience and time in the system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 I guess the question is: what makes a good backup QB? To me, "not making negative plays" is up there as the top criterion. In 6 games last year, Thad had 3 picks, 7 fumbles, and 18 sacks. He needs to do better. Maybe he will with more experience and time in the system. 3 picks over 6 games equates to 8 in a full season, which would be outstanding for any QB in the league. Both our QB's need to work on not getting sacked as much. It was my biggest issue with EJ last year- being too tentative and not understanding that at the NFL level, players are not going to be streaking down the sideline wide open like at Florida State. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 I guess the question is: what makes a good backup QB? To me, "not making negative plays" is up there as the top criterion. In 6 games last year, Thad had 3 picks, 7 fumbles, and 18 sacks. He needs to do better. Maybe he will with more experience and time in the system. The fumbles are the thing that he has to work on...18 sacks (3 per game) and 1 pick every two games, I can live with. The line was pretty dreadful at times last year... keep in mind too, not saying much, but those 7 fumbles were not all lost. I would say that the idea of wanting a starter should be evaluated on who gets results. If Thad gets better results than EJ, ultimately meaning getting the offense to move the ball, score points and compile wins as a team he should start. All of that is a "duh" to say but exceptionally hard in reality to judge and bring to fruition. EJ likely gets a little benefit of the doubt going into the season as he is the declared starter but the harder Thad or anyone else can push him to take that job away all the better for the team. Maybe you are right, but just as I think people here have been too quick to throw Lewis in the scrap heap, they have done it with Manuel too. I realize the concerns about EJ, and some are legit, but you would think, from the overreaction of fans here, Manuel was complete garbage...I just don't think that is the case...he has more (cliche coming) "upside" than Lewis, and the position he was drafted in makes it, in my opinion anyways, imperative that they give Manuel another season to work through things....half a season at the very least, before they start playing musical chairs with QB's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted June 24, 2014 Author Share Posted June 24, 2014 The fumbles are the thing that he has to work on...18 sacks (3 per game) and 1 pick every two games, I can live with. The line was pretty dreadful at times last year... keep in mind too, not saying much, but those 7 fumbles were not all lost. Maybe you are right, but just as I think people here have been too quick to throw Lewis in the scrap heap, they have done it with Manuel too. I realize the concerns about EJ, and some are legit, but you would think, from the overreaction of fans here, Manuel was complete garbage...I just don't think that is the case...he has more (cliche coming) "upside" than Lewis, and the position he was drafted in makes it, in my opinion anyways, imperative that they give Manuel another season to work through things....half a season at the very least, before they start playing musical chairs with QB's. But what about the eye test? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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