Don't rule out Niagara Falls, N.Y. as Bills future home

[Donald Duck]

Yeah, I've spent 10 years of my life living in different parts of the country, and all most people think of when you say, "I'm from Blahblah, NY," is New York City.

 

when Buffalo's mentioned?

[Mr. WEO]

That's the whole point that I am trying to make. Do you think the state likes having 1/2 of Niagara Falls and 1/1,000,000,000th of the revenue spent there? People do come and spend in NF, Ontario. If there were any reason to spend any time in NF, NY people would. Right now, there is no reason to do so, but if a Patriot Place or LA Live type of complex was built there people would use it IMO.

 

Well then, if building such a place is such a great idea, let some developer build it. The state of NY is broke and over taxed. It isn't going to spend hundreds of millions to benefit a tiny city that is within a stone's throw of another rusting city they just committed a billion dollars to. What would be the point? Why is it important to save this specific town (from itself, really)? No one is going to move to NF because there is a Stadium/mall/movie theater there.

Edited April 12, 2014 by Mr. WEO

[jimmy10]

 

 

when Buffalo's mentioned?

 

Yup. I was in Phoenix last month, at a spring training game. I mentioned to the guy and his mom sitting next to me I was in town from Rochester, "you know, near Buffalo" and she started talking about the time she went to a Rangers game at MSG.

 

Edit: Of course, not everybody is that ignorant of the geography of New York State, but very many people are.

Edited April 12, 2014 by jimmyo

[Kirby Jackson]

 

 

Well then, if building such a place is such a great idea, let some developer build it. The state of NY is broke and over taxed. It isn't going to spend hundreds of millions to benefit a tiny city that is within a stone's throw of another rusting city they just committed a billion dollars to. What would be the point? Why is it important to save this specific town (from itself, really)? No one is going to move to NF because there is a Stadium/mall/movie theater there.

I don't disagree that a large part will be done privately. I really could care less where the stadium is built personally (my family is in Williamsville). NF just seems to meet one of the prime objectives of maximizing the Southern Ontario market. If my options are NF or Toronto I am going with NF. It is somewhat of a compromise.

[dhg]

Yup. I was in Phoenix last month, at a spring training game. I mentioned to the guy and his mom sitting next to me I was in town from Rochester, "you know, near Buffalo" and she started talking about the time she went to a Rangers game at MSG.

 

Edit: Of course, not everybody is that ignorant of the geography of New York State, but very many people are.

 

Buddy of mine grew up on Long Island. He told me that when he was a kid and the Bills were playing the Jets, he asked his father where Buffalo is and his father told him "it's in Canada".

[Mr. WEO]

I don't disagree that a large part will be done privately. I really could care less where the stadium is built personally (my family is in Williamsville). NF just seems to meet one of the prime objectives of maximizing the Southern Ontario market. If my options are NF or Toronto I am going with NF. It is somewhat of a compromise.

 

Only Toronto will clearly maximize the southern Ontario market.

 

 

As I said before, what is the goal of maximizing the Ontario market? More sellouts? Make a better team and a smaller stadium--fixed! More corporate money? 7 years of regionalization have done little or nothing to bring in more corporate money. I just don't see how moving the stadium a few miles closer (and to a center of urban blight) to the border is going to increase corporate money flow. A company is either going to pay 50,000 (or whatever) for a suite based on its business value (reward for top execs, wooing clients) or it's not. I don't think crossing the border to NF is any different than going to Buffalo for these big money Canadians and corporations.

 

In fact, I don't see how any stadium outside of Toronto will bring in that money. The Bills/Toronto series was a completely predictable disaster for the Rogers family. The half empty stadiums (filled, as they were, with fans of the opposing teams) were no surprise: why would people in Toronto cheer for a Buffalo team? They have their own (pseudo) football team to root for.

 

However, if the NFL had a team in Toronto, I have no doubt they would pack a new stadium every week and all the luxury suites would be sold out. These people are just not going to drop that kind of money on a Buffalo team--in Buffalo or NF. Continued belief that they will makes little sense.

Edited April 12, 2014 by Mr. WEO

[sodbuster]

 

 

They do? Please enlighten me on this statement.

It took one week on my road trip last year to give up explaining where I am from when people asked. I was in Memphis. A lady saw my license when I opened my wallet and explained that she had a friend who lived way upstate... in Ossining. OSSINING. Then I said I'm close to Buffalo. Blank stare. So I said, "You know where Niagara Falls is?"

 

 

...

 

 

"Oh, you're Canadian?"

[thewildrabbit]

Good stuff, thanks for posting JW

[blzrul]

Real football is not played in a dome. Domes are for wimps.

 

I find it hard to believe that Mr. Wilson didn't make allowances in his Will, or otherwise. No reason for the family to share it publicly now. But he felt very strongly about keeping the team in Buffalo. I always hated Bon Jovi.

[Kirby Jackson]

 

 

Only Toronto will clearly maximize the southern Ontario market.

 

 

As I said before, what is the goal of maximizing the Ontario market? More sellouts? Make a better team and a smaller stadium--fixed! More corporate money? 7 years of regionalization have done little or nothing to bring in more corporate money. I just don't see how moving the stadium a few miles closer (and to a center of urban blight) to the border is going to increase corporate money flow. A company is either going to pay 50,000 (or whatever) for a suite based on its business value (reward for top execs, wooing clients) or it's not. I don't think crossing the border to NF is any different than going to Buffalo for these big money Canadians and corporations.

 

In fact, I don't see how any stadium outside of Toronto will bring in that money. The Bills/Toronto series was a completely predictable disaster for the Rogers family. The half empty stadiums (filled, as they were, with fans of the opposing teams) were no surprise: why would people in Toronto cheer for a Buffalo team? They have their own (pseudo) football team to root for.

 

However, if the NFL had a team in Toronto, I have no doubt they would pack a new stadium every week and all the luxury suites would be sold out. These people are just not going to drop that kind of money on a Buffalo team--in Buffalo or NF. Continued belief that they will makes little sense.

There are over 15,000 STH coming from Canada now. A new stadium in all likelihood will require PSL's and higher priced tickets. In order to make a reality they will need the money from Southern Ontario. That's the exact reason that the Bills started in Rochester and now onto Southern Ontario. WNY alone cannot handle what the situation will look like with a new stadium. There will be no more $70 tickets between the goal lines, it will be 2-3 times that.

[frogger]

Remember someone drew this up 3 years ago. A Lucas Oil like stadium overlooking the falls https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/aFauB8KNc_k8rGiuOHLTig?feat=directlink

 

Interesting idea, not sure there is room

[oman128]

I heard at the local coffee shop one of the local grape farmers in Silver Creek, wants to sell his land to the Bills to build a new stadium.

[Mr. WEO]

There are over 15,000 STH coming from Canada now. A new stadium in all likelihood will require PSL's and higher priced tickets. In order to make a reality they will need the money from Southern Ontario. That's the exact reason that the Bills started in Rochester and now onto Southern Ontario. WNY alone cannot handle what the situation will look like with a new stadium. There will be no more $70 tickets between the goal lines, it will be 2-3 times that.

 

What's keeping those high rolling Canadian PSL-waiting-to-buyin Bills fans from going to games now? And how will moving to NF stimulate even more of them them to pony up for PSLs? And if PSLs are going to be sold, the stadium will never be built unless the vast majority are bought by people in WNY.

[ExiledInIllinois]

 

 

when Buffalo's mentioned?

 

Yes! People here in Illinois think BFLO is parked right next to NYC! I tell them getting to Chicago is only 20% farther than getting from BFLO to NYC. It is 500 for me to get from WNY to my home in Illinois. What's the BFLO to NYC distance? 400, right?

[Kirby Jackson]

 

 

What's keeping those high rolling Canadian PSL-waiting-to-buyin Bills fans from going to games now? And how will moving to NF stimulate even more of them them to pony up for PSLs? And if PSLs are going to be sold, the stadium will never be built unless the vast majority are bought by people in WNY.

Up until recently the Bills were not allowed to market in Southern Ontario. Their marketing rights stopped at the border and were taken over by NFL Canada. The Bills pushed back because of the proximity and have been able to recently get in there and grow their fan base. It is still in its infancy however. I do not think that they can count solely on WNY to move the suites and licensed seats necessary. The Bills know that as well and that is why they have put forth the effort to make inroads there. Edited April 13, 2014 by Kirby Jackson

[blzrul]

Retractable dome roofs cost a boatload of $ and I wonder about the harsh winter weather and heavy snow....I disagree that people don't like outside football. I used to go to games in the Kingdome, I've been to the Georgia Dome, Reliant Stadium and SuperDomer - it just doesn't feel feel when you're used to watching football outside.

 

If the Bills stay I would like to see the stadium in the city. Here in Seattle we have the Clink next to the Safe and if they ever get an NBA team that stadium will be close by too. There are lots of hotels downtown plus trains and buses. It's really convenient to be downtown. I realize most people who live in suburbia think "the city" is a foreign country but it's actually pretty cool to have a reason to go down there.

 

If the Bills go, I suspect the Ralph will become the world's biggest bonfire. I still believe someone has something up their sleeve. But if the Bills move, by then Pete Carroll will have been fired by the Seahawks so I can become a Seahawks fan.

[Prickly Pete]

Let's turn Niagara Falls, one of the 7 Wonders of the World, into a fountain light show for the the NFL.

 

https://picasaweb.go...feat=directlink

 

I think there should be a drawing every year (just from the area residents), where the lucky family gets to sacrifice the youngest of their household to the Buffalo Bills each Opening Day. Fill that stadium right up.

 

Or maybe dig up the grounds of the old chemical plants and build there. In fact, that might be the best way for those companies to evade any multimillion dollar cleanups or giant lawsuits...we all know the NFL can take care of just about anything.

Edited April 13, 2014 by Marauder'sMicro

[Mr. WEO]

Up until recently the Bills were not allowed to market in Southern Ontario. Their marketing rights stopped at the border and were taken over by NFL Canada. The Bills pushed back because of the proximity and have been able to recently get in there and grow their fan base. It is still in its infancy however. I do not think that they can really solely on WNY to move the suites and licensed seats necessary. The Bills know that as well and that is why they have put forth the effort to make inroads there.

 

The Bills have been marketing directly to Toronto since the series began. NFL Canada, as you say, handles the business interests of the NFL in Canada--mainly marketing the NFL border teams to Canadians.

 

What have the Bills done, other than hold games at the Skydome?

[May Day 10]

 

Or maybe dig up the grounds of the old chemical plants and build there. In fact, that might be the best way for those companies to evade any multimillion dollar cleanups or giant lawsuits...we all know the NFL can take care of just about anything.

 

That would double the price of the stadium and take years and years

[Kirby Jackson]

 

 

The Bills have been marketing directly to Toronto since the series began. NFL Canada, as you say, handles the business interests of the NFL in Canada--mainly marketing the NFL border teams to Canadians.

 

What have the Bills done, other than hold games at the Skydome?

The Bills can have a marketing presence there now. What specifically are they doing, I don't know. I would imagine commercials, radio networks, preseason broadcast, bill boards, school visits, etc.... I would guess that some grassroots marketing is taking place. That area just recently became a part of the Bills territory was the point that I was making. It takes time to cultivate a fan base (generations often) but the Bills has to start somewhere. Once they were allowed to put a stake in the ground in Southern Ontario they laid the foundation. As time goes on it will only continue to grow.

[Donald Duck]

If this was still true, NF wouldn't be the ghost town it now is. Site seeing does nothing for that city's fate---in fact the site see-ers do their seeing (and spending) from the Canadian side. How can anyone even argue this?

 

And if it was such an attractive development site, any smart developer would have invested something in it long ago. It's radioactive. This whole issue makes little sense. If your goal is to fill the stadium (with Americans, Canadians, martians...) create a nicer---and slightly smaller venue than the Ralph and it will sell out regularly. The current stadium is 91% full on average. Downsize it and..there you go 100% full.

 

All this "regionalization" has done nothing to bring in Canadian corporate support (big ad sales and, more importantly, luxury suite sales) so far. Building a stadium in a permanently blighted zone such as NF will not bring in the "whales" (they certainly won't "walk" there--a hilarious assumption).

 

Look, jw took a single throw away comment by Duffy and stretched it into an AP article. But, come on.....

 

Radioactive, lol, OK,

 

I fail to see where your argument indicates a stadium in NF would have problems from a ticket/Luxury suite standpoint, or filling the stadium with other venues of entertainment.

 

I love Buffalo, its the City I was born in, but let me ask you something, what makes Buffalo a more attractive location then NF?

Edited April 13, 2014 by dog14787

[Mr. WEO]

Radioactive, lol, OK,

 

I fail to see where your argument indicates a stadium in NF would have problems from a ticket/Luxury suite standpoint, or filling the stadium with other venues of entertainment.

 

I love Buffalo, its the City I was born in, but let me ask you something, what makes Buffalo a more attractive location then NF?

Why would more tickets of any kind (especially premium/luxury seats) sell better in NF than Buffalo? Makes little sense to assume Canadians are holding back the big bucks until the team moves a little closer to the border. And name all of the other "venues of entertainment" you see filling that stadium (spare us the "Final Fours" and "Bowl Games").

 

Also, really? You were born in Buffalo and can't figure why it's better than NF? Take away the actual Niagara Falls and there is nothing left to compel anyone to visit this sad place. And once you have seen the Falls, how many times do people go back to see them again? There is absolutely nothing to do there except roll up the windows and keep driving.

[Donald Duck]

Why would more tickets of any kind (especially premium/luxury seats) sell better in NF than Buffalo? Makes little sense to assume Canadians are holding back the big bucks until the team moves a little closer to the border. And name all of the other "venues of entertainment" you see filling that stadium (spare us the "Final Fours" and "Bowl Games").

 

Also, really? You were born in Buffalo and can't figure why it's better than NF? Take away the actual Niagara Falls and there is nothing left to compel anyone to visit this sad place. And once you have seen the Falls, how many times do people go back to see them again? There is absolutely nothing to do there except roll up the windows and keep driving.

 

 

 

 

You make my point for me, add other forms of entertainment and you might get better results with folks returning eh?

 

People who live in the region would appreciate NF more If it wasn't a dump...

Edited April 13, 2014 by dog14787

[Luxy312]

Why would more tickets of any kind (especially premium/luxury seats) sell better in NF than Buffalo? Makes little sense to assume Canadians are holding back the big bucks until the team moves a little closer to the border. And name all of the other "venues of entertainment" you see filling that stadium (spare us the "Final Fours" and "Bowl Games").

 

Also, really? You were born in Buffalo and can't figure why it's better than NF? Take away the actual Niagara Falls and there is nothing left to compel anyone to visit this sad place. And once you have seen the Falls, how many times do people go back to see them again? There is absolutely nothing to do there except roll up the windows and keep driving.

 

The U.S. side of the falls is a dump and the Canadian side is a freaking carnival. I'm with you 100% here. NF really has nothing to offer. The better play if you want to put the stadium in the city is lakefront downtown Buffalo. It's a balance of moving closer to the city, yet not so far as to lose all of the fan base that's well South.

[PromoTheRobot]

Retractable dome roofs cost a boatload of $ and I wonder about the harsh winter weather and heavy snow....I disagree that people don't like outside football. I used to go to games in the Kingdome, I've been to the Georgia Dome, Reliant Stadium and SuperDomer - it just doesn't feel feel when you're used to watching football outside.

 

If the Bills stay I would like to see the stadium in the city. Here in Seattle we have the Clink next to the Safe and if they ever get an NBA team that stadium will be close by too. There are lots of hotels downtown plus trains and buses. It's really convenient to be downtown. I realize most people who live in suburbia think "the city" is a foreign country but it's actually pretty cool to have a reason to go down there.

 

If the Bills go, I suspect the Ralph will become the world's biggest bonfire. I still believe someone has something up their sleeve. But if the Bills move, by then Pete Carroll will have been fired by the Seahawks so I can become a Seahawks fan.

If they don't build a dome they might as well take the hundreds of millions of dollars, put it on a boat, light it on fire and send it over the falls.

 

You think any new owner is going to want the Bills to play outdoors? Think of all the events a dome would allow you to host.

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If this was still true, NF wouldn't be the ghost town it now is. Site seeing does nothing for that city's fate---in fact the site see-ers do their seeing (and spending) from the Canadian side. How can anyone even argue this?

 

And if it was such an attractive development site, any smart developer would have invested something in it long ago. It's radioactive. This whole issue makes little sense. If your goal is to fill the stadium (with Americans, Canadians, martians...) create a nicer---and slightly smaller venue than the Ralph and it will sell out regularly. The current stadium is 91% full on average. Downsize it and..there you go 100% full.

 

All this "regionalization" has done nothing to bring in Canadian corporate support (big ad sales and, more importantly, luxury suite sales) so far. Building a stadium in a permanently blighted zone such as NF will not bring in the "whales" (they certainly won't "walk" there--a hilarious assumption).

 

Look, jw took a single throw away comment by Duffy and stretched it into an AP article. But, come on.....

 

it was not a single throwaway comment. Duffy was asked this because the AP had heard that NF was on the table and clearly in the mix of discussion, which went beyond the working group's initial charter limiting the search to Erie County.

at no point did the AP report that NF or Niagara County would BE the site. the report clearly noted that NF can't be ruled out.

 

Duffy didn't come out and say this on his own. he was asked by the AP specifically.

 

to suggest the AP based this story on one single comment is dreadfully erroneous. and to suggest a site or sites in Niagara Falls aren't in play is naive at best. there are numerous things in play here and from various perspectives, as noted in the piece, Niagara Falls makes sense on many levels.

 

jw

[Lurker]

Niagara Falls makes sense on many levels.

Except for the problem that upgrading a highway system capable of moving 70,000 people into downtown Niagara Falls on Sunday's would likely cost more than the stadium itself.

 

IMO, this is the deal breaker for a NF stadium--the city's infrastructure just isn't remotely capable of handling a game day traffic scenario, particularly one where the majority of the patrons would be coming from outside Niagara County. The Rainbow Bridge is ill equipped to handle the Canadian traffic either, given the roadway design on either entry point.

 

The highway construction outlay would dwarf the stadium investment and likely take longer than seven years to execute, given the logistics and red tape involved in such a massive public works project.

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Except for the problem that upgrading a highway system capable of moving 70,000 people into downtown Niagara Falls on Sunday's would likely cost more than the stadium itself.

 

IMO, this is the deal breaker for a NF stadium--the city's infrastructure just isn't remotely capable of handling a game day traffic scenario, particularly one where the majority of the patrons would be coming from outside Niagara County. The Rainbow Bridge is ill equipped to handle the Canadian traffic either, given the roadway design on either entry point.

 

The highway construction outlay would dwarf the stadium investment and likely take longer than seven years to execute, given the logistics and red tape involved in such a massive public works project.

 

i'm not saying NF will be the site, but don't you think upgrading the city's infrastructure is going to have to take place one way or another if the city is ever going to re-emerge as a true tourist destination?

it's not as if upgrades aren't part of Albany's long-term focus in regards to Niagara Falls. tying those upgrades to a potential NFL stadium would address several needs, which is why the search will include Niagara Falls and surrounding county. ...

 

and let's put it this way, Howard Milstein didn't buy all that land to simply sit on it.

 

jw

Edited April 13, 2014 by john wawrow

[Lurker]

and let's put it this way, Howard Milstein didn't buy all that land to simply sit on it.

Yes he did. But with the statewide casino referendum compact precluding a non-indian venue in NF, Milstein is SOL. Unfortunately, so is the city, since that land will continue to sit....

[K-9]

i'm not saying NF will be the site, but don't you think upgrading the city's infrastructure is going to have to take place one way or another if the city is ever going to re-emerge as a true tourist destination?

it's not as if upgrades aren't part of Albany's long-term focus in regards to Niagara Falls. tying those upgrades to a potential NFL stadium would address several needs, which is why the search will include Niagara Falls and surrounding county. ...

 

and let's put it this way, Howard Milstein didn't buy all that land to simply sit on it.

 

jw

 

This gives me the image of a sleek limo pulling to the side of the road somewhere in NF, a tuxedo-dressed man getting out, walking a couple hundred yards, and then just sitting down in the middle of a field.

 

GO BILLS!!!

[Mr. WEO]

If they don't build a dome they might as well take the hundreds of millions of dollars, put it on a boat, light it on fire and send it over the falls.

 

You think any new owner is going to want the Bills to play outdoors? Think of all the events a dome would allow you to host.

 

Like? (Bowl games and Final 4 are not coming to NF...)

 

 

it was not a single throwaway comment. Duffy was asked this because the AP had heard that NF was on the table and clearly in the mix of discussion, which went beyond the working group's initial charter limiting the search to Erie County.

at no point did the AP report that NF or Niagara County would BE the site. the report clearly noted that NF can't be ruled out.

 

Duffy didn't come out and say this on his own. he was asked by the AP specifically.

 

to suggest the AP based this story on one single comment is dreadfully erroneous. and to suggest a site or sites in Niagara Falls aren't in play is naive at best. there are numerous things in play here and from various perspectives, as noted in the piece, Niagara Falls makes sense on many levels.

 

jw

 

So a reporter asked "hey what about Niagara Falls?" Duffy served up... "We're looking at Niagara County," Lt. Gov. Robert Duffy told the AP this week. "We're open to looking at a number of venues."

 

NF has been "in play" in the minds of many for well before Duffy answered 'yeah, sure, NF too". Whatever the plans the state has to pretty up NF (obviously it is way down the "to do" list, given its chronic state of neglect by the state), do you think they would pour a few hundred million into the infrastructure for a stadium that, most research shows, does not yield any significant economic benefit to a blighted area?

 

And do you think Milstein is a potential owner for the Bills? HAs the AP asked him why he bought all that land? If not an owner, do you think he will build a stadium on spec and rent it out for the tiny amount the Bills are paying Erie now?

 

Why not ask him these questions?

[Lurker]

HAs the AP asked him why he bought all that land?

Milstein bought the land for one reason...the expectation that non-indian casino gambling would one day be legal in New York State. While it eventually happened, what he didn't count on was the Seneca's ability to carve out an exclusivity clause that makes his bet a loser. Snake eyes, Howie...

[Mr. WEO]

Milstein bought the land for one reason...the expectation that non-indian casino gambling would one day be legal in New York State. While it eventually happened, what he didn't count on was the Seneca's ability to carve out an exclusivity clause that makes his bet a loser. Snake eyes, Howie...

 

Apparently the press thinks otherwise.

[Lurker]

Apparently the press thinks otherwise.

LOL! That phrase should be carved in stone on the steps of the Newseum...

[Mr. WEO]

LOL! That phrase should be carved in stone on the steps of the Newseum...

 

Maybe Milstein's number is unlisted...

[Delete This Account]

Like? (Bowl games and Final 4 are not coming to NF...)

 

 

 

 

So a reporter asked "hey what about Niagara Falls?" Duffy served up... "We're looking at Niagara County," Lt. Gov. Robert Duffy told the AP this week. "We're open to looking at a number of venues."

 

NF has been "in play" in the minds of many for well before Duffy answered 'yeah, sure, NF too". Whatever the plans the state has to pretty up NF (obviously it is way down the "to do" list, given its chronic state of neglect by the state), do you think they would pour a few hundred million into the infrastructure for a stadium that, most research shows, does not yield any significant economic benefit to a blighted area?

 

And do you think Milstein is a potential owner for the Bills? HAs the AP asked him why he bought all that land? If not an owner, do you think he will build a stadium on spec and rent it out for the tiny amount the Bills are paying Erie now?

 

Why not ask him these questions?

 

your response to this is completely laughable. fully and completely.

 

jw

[Mr. WEO]

your response to this is completely laughable. fully and completely.

 

jw

 

Thanks.

 

What did Milstein say when you asked him why he bought all that land?

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Thanks.

 

What did Milstein say when you asked him why he bought all that land?

 

if it is your wish to assume the role of crayonz on this board, please proceed.

 

jw

 

Add: what's also odd, WEO, i don't ever recall being under any obligation to inform you who the AP has spoken to or what those discussions pertained.

Edited April 13, 2014 by john wawrow

[Mr. WEO]

 

 

if it is your wish to assume the role of crayonz on this board, please proceed.

 

jw

 

Add: what's also odd, WEO, i don't ever recall being under any obligation to inform you who the AP has spoken to or what those discussions pertained.

 

It's not an obligation. But an odd comment for the press to make. You wrote an article highlighting NF as a possible location for a new stadium. You invoke Milstein in your post. Then you say it's not my business to know what you may have asked the guy you brought up in your post. I would think everyone who read your article would love to hear what his thoughts and plans are.

 

My questioning the feasibility or wisdom of supporting NF as the next home of the Bills is hardly crayons-worthy. But even in hyperbole, I see and accept the compliment.

[Delete This Account]

It's not an obligation. But an odd comment for the press to make. You wrote an article highlighting NF as a possible location for a new stadium. You invoke Milstein in your post. Then you say it's not my business to know what you may have asked the guy you brought up in your post. I would think everyone who read your article would love to hear what his thoughts and plans are.

 

My questioning the feasibility or wisdom of supporting NF as the next home of the Bills is hardly crayons-worthy. But even in hyperbole, I see and accept the compliment.

 

again, you seem to think it's an obligation by suggesting i share here what i know and/or have been told. you make assumptions in regards to who the AP has or may not have spoken to. you make take a wild flying guess as to what prompted the story, and now you suggest that i lay my cards on the table because you somehow feel obligated to know.

your guesses and assumptions have been laughable, and you seem to revel in the process of digging yourself deeper.

i'd suggest you stop, but i doubt you'd listen.

 

jw

 

and i certainly hope you're not angling to suggest that i reveal my sources. i block you in a moment's notice if that is the case.

Edited April 13, 2014 by john wawrow