hondo in seattle Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 Is it too late for the mods to break this into two threads? One about Schwartz, one about Downing. I'm easily confused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 Is it too late for the mods to break this into two threads? One about Schwartz, one about Downing. I'm easily confused. I dont know why it wasnt to begin with. We dont have 1 thread for all the draft picks and such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sodbuster Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 I dont know why it wasnt to begin with. We dont have 1 thread for all the draft picks and such. and we had three threads for pettine leaving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 Again I'd like to point out that position coaches are often put in place to relay the message from the HC & OC. Downing will be working directly with EJ; it will be Hackett's technique teaching that EJ will be getting If only we knew if that was good! And I'd say none of its quite that cut and dry, but your point isn't wrong either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 (edited) Again I'd like to point out that position coaches are often put in place to relay the message from the HC & OC. Downing will be working directly with EJ; it will be Hackett's technique teaching that EJ will be getting Also I read last night that Downing coached EJ in the Senior Bowl last year (he was MVP of the that game). And as previously mentioned, worked with Thad in Detroit. I'm happy! Edited January 25, 2014 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donald Duck Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 Schwartz values the numbers http://blogs.buffalobills.com/2014/01/25/schwartz-values-the-numbers/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TXBILLSFAN Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 Bills might now be the favorite for the Thanksgiving game over the Dolphins with the Schwartz going back to Detroit angle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donald Duck Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 Bills might now be the favorite for the Thanksgiving game over the Dolphins with the Schwartz going back to Detroit angle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris heff Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 this is a good hire. I think Marrone needed someone who could completely handle the defensive side of the ball so he could continue to favor the offensive side. I agree,I was just thinking the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColdBlueNorth Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 I don't see a big problem with this. The guy has a resume, and plenty of failed HC's flourish when they go back to their more comfortable coordinator roles. As far as his enthusiasm and lack of discipline, I think that is a perfect counter to Marrone who I believe is more rigid and structured and remember Marrone was the first coach to punish Dareus for slacking and not showing up to team meetings.... He will do well - interesting to see what defensive players the Bills will target in the draft - DC's always try to put their mark on a team pretty quickly. For Pettine it was taking a chance with Kiko, we should be able to get an idea of what position Schwartz feels needs upgrading pretty quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 (edited) This again? I can't think of a single down that Hughes was vertical presnap. Im 100% convinced most of you didnt watch any bills football and just watch highlights. I could list a ton but ill give you an example that you would have seen on the high lights. The long td pass against the saints where hughes gave chase Edited January 25, 2014 by kr632 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 Schwartz values the numbers http://blogs.buffalobills.com/2014/01/25/schwartz-values-the-numbers/ Didn't read full article. Winced at his fumble disagreement with Bellicheat: the guy whose team is consistently in the top 5-10 for FF's... Im 100% convinced most of you didnt watch any bills football and just watch highlights. I could list a ton but ill give you an example that you would have seen on the high lights. The long td pass against the saints where hughes gave chase I haven't missed a down in a decade, smarty pants. And you're 100% sure he didn't come out of his stance to defend on that play? Can you name another? Particularly one after that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26TrapDraw Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 (edited) I think having a label on the "base" defense doesn't mean a lot when down and distance a lot of times dictates the set. I will give Marrone and company credit for getting a coach who's strength has been this team's glaring weakness. Here's hoping they bring in a few key players (run stuffing ILB and maybe another beast D lineman) via free agency or the draft and shore up this defense. I am worried about the O though... Gonna be an interesting off season. Edited January 25, 2014 by LVBillsBackr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 And you're 100% sure he didn't come out of his stance to defend on that play? Can you name another? Particularly one after that? Yes, he started in an up position on that play and many others. Here's even some video evidence... http://www.buffalobills.com/video/videos/Buffalo-Bills-linebacker-Jerry-Hughes-sacks-Matt-Cassel/704cae69-9d4f-44da-a584-f5988bf25579 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 (edited) Didn't read full article. Winced at his fumble disagreement with Bellicheat: the guy whose team is consistently in the top 5-10 for FF's... I haven't missed a down in a decade, smarty pants. And you're 100% sure he didn't come out of his stance to defend on that play? Can you name another? Particularly one after that? Watch any of the last couple games we came out in a straight up 3-4 a lot. The mario williams strip sack Hughes was also standing up as a LB... come on man pay attention Edited January 25, 2014 by kr632 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 I haven't missed a down in a decade, smarty pants. There's about a decade of downs I wish I could unsee.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 (edited) I don't see a big problem with this. The guy has a resume, and plenty of failed HC's flourish when they go back to their more comfortable coordinator roles. As far as his enthusiasm and lack of discipline, I think that is a perfect counter to Marrone who I believe is more rigid and structured and remember Marrone was the first coach to punish Dareus for slacking and not showing up to team meetings.... He will do well - interesting to see what defensive players the Bills will target in the draft - DC's always try to put their mark on a team pretty quickly. For Pettine it was taking a chance with Kiko, we should be able to get an idea of what position Schwartz feels needs upgrading pretty quickly. I just woke up here on the West Coast, turned on my computer to NFL.com and saw this story. My first reaction was that my heart sank. I saw a lot of dirty football coming out of Detroit under his tenure. Of course, this is only as a casual observer of the Lions. As bad as we've been over that past decade, I've always appreciated out team's class. Gailey benched SJ over an end zone celebration. Schwartz allowed some truly reprehensible play on the field. Edited January 25, 2014 by Rocky Landing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cale Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 I live in Nashville. Titans defense underperformed while here with the same talent that Greggo had. This guy is toxic. Players hated him. Just watch when the D sucks and the fans complain. Definite downgrade. Crap... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo13 Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 Our "3-4" defense this past year was about 90% 4-3 This is true. The lines between the 34 and the 43 are not what they used to be. When you're in nickel you're in a 4 man front and that happens almost all the time with the way teams throw. I don't know what anyone would have to complain about regarding this move. I think Doug Marrone has made another really smart choice. Schwartz is aggressive and his defense in Tennessee was really, really good and consistent. I'm also certain that Schwartz will look at every snap of this defense last year and keep some things that the guys did really well when it comes to pressuring the QB. In the end, Marrone has a lot to do with it. Chan Gailey could have gotten off his offensive headset and told Wannstedt to start dialing up some pressure but he clearly didn't. If the HC want's pressure, he'll get it. So hopefully we can get better against the run, which to me really just entails keeping the long ones from getting out of the gate, and then we'll have a really, really formidable D. I guess that's a long way of saying I really like the hire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronc24 Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 I just woke up here on the West Coast, turned on my computer to NFL.com and saw this story. My first reaction was that my heart sank. I saw a lot of dirty football coming out of Detroit under his tenure. Of course, this is only as a casual observer of the Lions. As bad as we've been over that past decade, I've always appreciated out team's class. Gailey benched SJ over an end zone celebration. Schwartz allowed some truly reprehensible play on the field. So...just to clarify...it's ok if we lose, as long as it is with class, but if we have our first winning season that comes with a few Sherman / Schwartz moments, you will be disappointed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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