thewildrabbit Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 It appears that Marrone likes the young up & comer's on his staff (especially with the pickup of Tampa's DB coach) with that being said don't be surprise with Jim O'Neil replacing Pettine as our next DC. Picking from this list of candidates ,I'd take Spags, Schwartzs, Henderson or Johnson. spags was hired by the Saints as their new DC in 2012, and let go the next year. Since HC Sean Payton was suspended for the year, good ole spags was left to his own devices. As a result the Saints then allowed the most yards of any defense in the entire history of the NFL. This was the first time in four years the NO Saints missed the playoffs ummm, no thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuntheDamnBall Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 spags was hired by the Saints as their new DC in 2012, and let go the next year. Since HC Sean Payton was suspended for the year, good ole spags was left to his own devices. As a result the Saints then allowed the most yards of any defense in the entire history of the NFL. This was the first time in four years the NO Saints missed the playoffs ummm, no thanks Doesn't that seem, to you, to be kind of an extreme scenario to use to judge the guy? Before that he ran the defense that stopped Tom Brady in the Super Bowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 Unsure of the source but: @PFCentral: Bills do have an interest in speaking with former head coach Wade Phillips YAY !! I hope this is true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 He is indeed reliable, and he is indeed correct about Russ being The Man now (Kirby ain't the only one that knows stuff ) I'll back Kirby too. If he says something has been going on at OBD for the last decade or so, I chalk it up as essentially fact. Doesn't that seem, to you, to be kind of an extreme scenario to use to judge the guy? Before that he ran the defense that stopped Tom Brady in the Super Bowl. His track record isn't that impressive outside of stopping Brady in the SB. His EXTREMELY talented pass rush got him a lot of credit his schemes didnt deserve. He's wannstedt but with a more talented group of ends that got hot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuntheDamnBall Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 His track record isn't that impressive outside of stopping Brady in the SB. His EXTREMELY talented pass rush got him a lot of credit his schemes didnt deserve. He's wannstedt but with a more talented group of ends that got hot. I'm listening... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgia Bill Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 Didn't Wade make Mario move to OLB in the one season he played in that defense. I thought Mario did not like that. Phillips requires a big wide bodied Nose Tackle to make his defense successful. We do not have a Mt.Washington on this roster. We need one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 (edited) Nothing against any of the outside candidates, but it seems that typically when a team loses an OC or DC to another team as a HC, they promote from within rather than go out and bring in a guy from the outside. The idea is to retain the same system that clearly would have been effective enough to help garner the guy a HC role. Sometimes the current team will try to immediately elevate someone to DC who they think would be recruited to go along with the new HC (like O'Neil). But in this case it seems like they were only there for such a short time, and O'Neil really doesn't have a great DC resume to be on his own (but may be fine alongside Pettine) so I would expect them to promote another guy, probably Henderson, at this point and fill in position coaches where needed. It just makes the most sense. If (I hope not) the defense takes a significant dive next year, and they also miss the playoffs again, then perhaps Henderson is demoted or fired and they bring in a new guy. Clearly, that would be the worst case scenario. Edited January 24, 2014 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 We need one. Not quite . we want one is better said . Troupe did not work out and we have not replaced that type of player. I thought Branch might serve that role but i feel ya Bill. Be nice to have a fat kid at the Nose Nothing against any of the outside candidates, but it seems that typically when a team loses an OC or DC to another team as a HC, they promote from within rather than go out and bring in a guy from the outside. The idea is to retain the same system that clearly would have been effective enough to help garner the guy a HC role. Sometimes the current team will try to immediately elevate someone to DC who they think would be recruited to go along with the new HC (like O'Neil). But in this case it seems like they were only there for such a short time, and O'Neil really doesn't have a great DC resume to be on his own (but may be fine alongside Pettine) so I would expect them to promote another guy, probably Henderson, at this point and fill in position coaches where needed. It just makes the most sense. If (I hope not) the defense takes a significant dive next year, and they also miss the playoffs again, then perhaps Henderson is demoted or fired and they bring in a new guy. Clearly, that would be the worst case scenario. In the short term its the smart thing to do for continuity . A good GM is still hunting though. Continue improving each position when opportunity presents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 You may not be giving it, but I just don't understand the love for Henderson. He's been a DC before and has crashed and burned. Not exactly an inspiring choice, but I suppose this is what we should expect. I guess we should be focusing on Marrone's past buddies too. I would vote for Wade. A proven DC. Yes, he seems to be a very good secondary coach. Fwiw, Stephon didn't exactly light it up though. Yeah, Belichick crashed and burned in Cleveland too! I'm on the Henderson train! Maybe he can help get Byrd to re-sign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPS Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 How about offering Donnie Henderson the DC gig? Christ people, Donnie Henderson looks like one of the worst DCs on the planet. He was run out of NY after the Jets finished 32nd against the run. Then presided over the 27th ranked Lions defense for Rod Marinelli's 3-13 Lions. I was shocked and disappointed he was even on the staff. If they make him the DC, I am expecting the absolute worst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 There is a difference between knowing the scheme and having the knack for knowing what defenses to call, when to blitz, when to pressure, when to call something exotic, etc, and when not to. Pettine was pretty good at calling plays and defenses. That's a skill there is no apprenticeship for, but having experience in it could and should be an advantage. Of course, that experience may have proved the guy lacks the knack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPS Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 The Bills have waffled back and forth between the 4-3 and the hybrid 3-4, costing development time by changing schemes. If they go back to the 4-3, I will absolutely, positively expect it bc it's what they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heitz Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 Schiano? Are you guys nuts? http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000316994/article/darrelle-revis-greg-schiano-created-tense-atmosphere Anyone else from Pittsburgh connects Whaley might pull into the mix? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigK14094 Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 (edited) Anybody who knows the Wade Phillips history knows that he is never coming back to the Bills as long as Mr wilson lives. the whole ronnie white (?) thing is it. Wilson insisted Wade fire the inept special teams coach that was Wade's Gumba. Wade refused...so Wade was fired. Then, the Bills, insisting that Wade did not follow direction, tried to not pay him for the remainder of his contract. (separated for cause) Wade took the Bills to court, and finally the NFL stepped in to force Wilson to pay Phillips. I actually think Wilson had a case.....but whatever. Wade is NEVER coming back to work for Wilson, end of story. The moneybags guy will know the whole story. (Overdorf) Edited January 24, 2014 by bigK14094 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted January 24, 2014 Author Share Posted January 24, 2014 These lists look pretty strong to me. There are a lot of guys that would make me happy. I just want someone that keeps playing the attacking style that was played this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 Anybody who knows the Wade Phillips history knows that he is never coming back to the Bills as long as Mr wilson lives. the whole ronnie white (?) thing is it. Wilson insisted Wade fire the inept special teams coach that was Wade's Gumba. Wade refused...so Wade was fired. Then, the Bills, insisting that Wade did not follow direction, tried to not pay him for the remainder of his contract. (separated for cause) Wade took the Bills to court, and finally the NFL stepped in to force Wilson to pay Phillips. I actually think Wilson had a case.....but whatever. Wade is NEVER coming back to work for Wilson, end of story. The moneybags guy will know the whole story. (Overdorf) Except Wade himself said he would. Otherwise, you're all over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heitz Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 Someone on Twitter said Ed Donatell of SF and Kieth Butler are on the short list. Not sure if it's true, but like the names... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 Jim Schwartz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 Except Wade himself said he would. Otherwise, you're all over it. How true the statement was we may never know. The alternative being "I loved everywhere but buffalo" just doesn't strike me as a wade comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sodbuster Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 I hope our DC search doesn't look as bad as the Browns' hc search was, especially after all of the crap we have been saying about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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