Benjamin Franklin Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 And i'm sure you couldn't be happier. Because you're a simple-minded moran. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 Stop calling it "single payer." It's socialized medicine. REMINDER who the "single payer is................. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 Upset about failed ObamaCare votes, Trump calls on changes from Senate Republicans In the aftermath of the Senate’s failed ObamaCare votes, President Trump on Saturday urged leaders of the GOP-controlled chamber to change the rules to a simple 51-vote majority to pass legislation, saying they are “looking like fools” and calling the 60-vote requirement a “joke.” http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/07/29/upset-about-failed-obamacare-votes-trump-calls-on-changes-from-senate-republicans.html This last vote on repeal ObamaCare only needed 50 votes + Pence to pass, or am I wrong ? Not sure if it had to go back to the House again then back to Senate for 60. Sorry I don't follow Congress that close. If they want to make any meaningful changes to Obamacare, or any meaningful replacement, they need 60 votes, or to do away with the filibuster. The 51 vote threshold is only to pass something substantially similar to the House bill - any major deviations from what the House passed requires going through the full debate/filibuster rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 If they want to make any meaningful changes to Obamacare, or any meaningful replacement, they need 60 votes, or to do away with the filibuster. The 51 vote threshold is only to pass something substantially similar to the House bill - any major deviations from what the House passed requires going through the full debate/filibuster rules. But invoking the nuclear option or employing parliamentary shenanigans to force thru an unpopular piece of legislation has never been done before Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 But invoking the nuclear option or employing parliamentary shenanigans to force thru an unpopular piece of legislation has never been done before Reid stupidly used nuclear option to push through federal judges. McConnell then did the same with SCOTUS pick in Gorsich. The Dems are moving farther left and the Republicans farther right leaving little chance for bipartisan bills. It would be a grave mistake to use the nuclear option with major pieces of legislation as the founders made it 60 votes for a reason as we are a Republic. Pressure from donors may make the nuclear option the new norm though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grinreaper Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 Reid stupidly used nuclear option to push through federal judges. McConnell then did the same with SCOTUS pick in Gorsich. The Dems are moving farther left and the Republicans farther right leaving little chance for bipartisan bills. It would be a grave mistake to use the nuclear option with major pieces of legislation as the founders made it 60 votes for a reason as we are a Republic. Pressure from donors may make the nuclear option the new norm though. No, that was not done by the founders but is a senate rule. Back in the day we had 13 states and only 26 senators. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 Reid stupidly used nuclear option to push through federal judges. McConnell then did the same with SCOTUS pick in Gorsich. The Dems are moving farther left and the Republicans farther right leaving little chance for bipartisan bills. It would be a grave mistake to use the nuclear option with major pieces of legislation as the founders made it 60 votes for a reason as we are a Republic. Pressure from donors may make the nuclear option the new norm though. There is no "60 vote" requirement. There is a two-thirds majority requirement For overriding a veto and approving a treaty. But legislation passes by simple majority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 There is no "60 vote" requirement. There is a two-thirds majority requirement For overriding a veto and approving a treaty. But legislation passes by simple majority. Right. I should of been more specific in that they would need to go nuclear if they wanted to get around the Byrd rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 It was a lie. You know this how? I'm going work stupid. Past performance is easier to point to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 There is no "60 vote" requirement. There is a two-thirds majority requirement For overriding a veto and approving a treaty. But legislation passes by simple majority. Trump must not ask his advisors before making wrong demands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 Trump must not ask his advisors before making wrong demands. Ya think? He doesn't lie. He spews. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 No, that was not done by the founders but is a senate rule. Back in the day we had 13 states and only 26 senators. And the Senators represented the interests of their individual state, not of the officially sanctioned partisan organization and associated special interest groups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 (edited) Oregon finds nearly half the Medicaid recipients checked in recent months no longer qualified | July 29, 2017 | Jeff Manning & Hillary Borrud Oregon has determined it awarded Medicaid health benefits to more than 37,000 people during the past year who earned too much money or otherwise failed to qualify, new figures show. That high number represents nearly half the Medicaid recipients whose incomes the state rechecked this spring and summer. It has come to light as the state health authority works through a backlog of eligibility checks caused by technology problems and the spike in enrollment under the Affordable Care Act. The count surpasses predictions to the Legislature by agency director Lynne Saxton, who pegged the number at 32,000. And it almost certainly will climb higher, as the agency has another 31,000 cases still to check. Historically, around 28 percent of Oregonians on Medicaid no longer qualify for the program at annual check-ins. Now, as Oregon works through its backlog, the rate of people being deemed ineligible is closer to 45 percent. (Excerpt) Read more at oregonlive.com ... How Trump can win the ObamaCare fight: End the "friends and cronies" exemption for Congress July 28,2017 | By John Fund Polls taken by Independent Women’s Voice, a free market group, find that 94 percent of voters think Congress shouldn’t be exempted from the insurance provisions of ObamaCare. Most voters blame both parties equally for the exemption, which means Republicans will also be hurt politically if it stands. “The president should announce that he is instructing OPM to end the exemption and subsidies for Congress,” IWV president Heather Higgins wrote in Monday’s Wall Street Journal. ”If the president does this, he’d have huge negotiating leverage. He would align the interests of the ruling class with those of his voters, forcing Congress to act. He might even get some Democratic votes.” (Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com . Edited July 30, 2017 by B-Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TH3 Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 REMINDER who the "single payer is................. Great pic - your search skillz are stellar! What you fail to grasp is - the 17 percent of our GDP we spend on HC - you already pay for as a consumer and taxpayer...you pay for it in higher taxes, higher costs at the store - depressed wages because your employer is paying your HC costs..... But that cartoon is HYSTERICAL!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 There you go, Baskin has solved the entire problem right there, proud of it too I bet... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 That must explain why Vermont and California are having such an easy time pushing single payer through their far left states Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/07/31/trump-finds-obamacare-repeal-leverage-congress-insurance-benefit.html Good, good! This is the right thing to do, Mr. Trump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin Franklin Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/07/31/trump-finds-obamacare-repeal-leverage-congress-insurance-benefit.html Good, good! This is the right thing to do, Mr. Trump. I knew you'd say something smart one of these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 I knew you'd say something smart one of these days. I've been saying this since Ocare went into being. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/07/31/trump-finds-obamacare-repeal-leverage-congress-insurance-benefit.html Good, good! This is the right thing to do, Mr. Trump. agree 100% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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