BuffaloBaumer Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 You knew Kelly could throw the rock all over the field from day one, I'm not sure Manuel has any of his tools. Can EJ throw the ball, I mean really, can he even THROW the ball? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Front Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 johnny manziel will be a used car salesman in Texas by 2017 He would become an oil executive or governor or something. Manziel isn't a WASP, but he comes from impressive lineage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jester43 Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 Comparing any Qb to the best Qb in our franchise history is silly. But do I expect EJ to be a better QB at 26 with a few seasons under his belt (like Jimbo)? Yes, I do. But it's hard to imagine the Bills having another Kelly or even being in the playoffs at this point. Considering where each was drafted, it's not silly at all. Kelly was great, a legit hall of famer, but why can't we compare the career starts of two mid-first round QBs? It's hard to argue that one doesn't look way better than the other. Hell, I think Andy Dalton looked better in his rookie year than Manuel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishDave Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 @Jester - Thanks I needed that. Much better mood now. Man those games were fun! I honestly don't see how anyone could ever think EJ is going to be as good as Kelly was. Come on man... Get real... The only people who would honestly think that are people who did not witness those glory years firsthand. It just goes to show you how misleading stats really can be. No doubt about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 Maddenboy hit the nail on the head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C-Man Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 If Bridgewater or Manziel are around when we pick, then take one of them. Not sure if Clowney will slide to us or not.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Campy Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 A couple of things: As some pointed out, Kelly was a 3rd year pro during his "rookie" year in Buffalo, and, Comparing the stats is an exercise in futility because of all of the variables, ie, professional experience, quality of opponents, quality of teammates, et al. If you could put Jimbo on the field with today's players, or EJ on the field with the players back then, that would yield more accurate results. But since that's not going to happen, what's the point. Is EJ the next Jimbo? Maybe. Or maybe not. Let's circle back in EJ's 3rd pro season and take another look, shall we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 Considering where each was drafted, it's not silly at all. Kelly was great, a legit hall of famer, but why can't we compare the career starts of two mid-first round QBs? It's hard to argue that one doesn't look way better than the other. Hell, I think Andy Dalton looked better in his rookie year than Manuel. Dalton had probably the 2nd best wr in football to throw to. How many Qbs become HOFers? It's so rare. But again, Kelly was 26 and had 2 years of pro ball under his belt before his rookie year. That's a huge help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonechiller Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 why do I have to watch Kelly? God it hurts to see what a real team looked like. Even more depressing! To even compare them is ludicrous! I like Manuel, but jesus, does not have Kelly's fire! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 You can tell when you have a real franchise QB, even in his rookie year. And you can usually tell when you dont. It also wasn't Kelly's rookie year. Brett Favre was traded for nothing after his rookie year. Drew Breew was allowed to become a free agent after his rookie contract. Brady and Rodgers were burried on the depth chart their rookie year. I'd love to see this list of QBs who you could just tell we're franchise QBs their first year? Troy Aikman? Flacco? Nope, he was nearly run out of town his second season. Big Ben, try again, couldn't even win the starting job in preseason to a nobody. So really who? Manning? Not Eli. This you just know thing is stupid. The game is all about confidence, hard work and some physical attributes. The ones who succeed seem to have an over abundance of the first two... And that has ALWAYS been true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cotton Fitzsimmons Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 What GREAT things r u r talking about that Manuel has done? I haven't seen any greatness... I think he plays the game w absolutely no emotion. And who wants humility from their QB? I want a cockiness that spreads throughout the team.. This is football, not student government. The problem w EJ besides his horrible accuracy and total lack of feel for the position is that he HAS NO ATTITUDE! That the team did not see this when scouting him is absolutely astounding. Bring on Johnny Football!! You want Johnny Football rolling into Foxborough, slinging it into tight windows for game winning TDs and looking over at Belichik and making hand gestures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bufcomments Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 Comparing Kelly's first year to EJ's is silly. Kelly was throwing to Reed, Bulter, Meetselars , Harmon. Those WR's and TE were way better than the cast EJ has to work with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Bills Fan Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 *takes gun out of mouth* You mean there is still hope for the Bills to have a franchise QB? CBF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 How about comparing EJ's rookie year to Kelly's true rookie year in Houston? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 How about comparing EJ's rookie year to Kelly's true rookie year in Houston? Not valid. I was too young for that league but the talent level was diluted, Kelly played in a run and shot, and the league was a little arena league like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 This is dumb. Comparing stats of qbs is dumb. Stats do not make a franchise qb. Jimbo was the unquestioned leader from day one. EJ is just trying to fit in and get by and improve. Jimbo was trying his heart out to make plays all over the field. EJ is trying not to mess up Jimbo was trying to be the greatest QB in history, from day one. EJ is trying to do his best or something. You can tell when you have a real franchise QB, even in his rookie year. And you can usually tell when you dont. I would also imagine that EJ has a MUCH BETTER cast of players around him than Kelly did in 86. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iraq Vet Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 Draft a QB every year until we get a HOF type QB. It is that simple. Once you find the next great one, trade away the 3 or 4 average to good ones. Sure the league will make fun of us for 3 or 4 years. But when we have a HOF type QB no one will be laughing anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaattMaann Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 Draft a QB every year until we get a HOF type QB. It is that simple. Once you find the next great one, trade away the 3 or 4 average to good ones. Sure the league will make fun of us for 3 or 4 years. But when we have a HOF type QB no one will be laughing anymore. the thing is, you dont know you have a HOF QB right away people saying EJ isnt that guy have their heads up their arses, as do people saying that he IS that gay.... you must be patient Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 Draft a QB every year until we get a HOF type QB. It is that simple. Once you find the next great one, trade away the 3 or 4 average to good ones. Sure the league will make fun of us for 3 or 4 years. But when we have a HOF type QB no one will be laughing anymore. I actually used to think like that but it's just not logical. What if the next guy you drafts struggles, as all rookies do? You just draft another one? At what point do you stop and say maybe we should give a guy more than a year to prove himself? San Diego got nothing for Brees. Now, you couldn't trade Brees for 3 1st rounders. Rivers is a pretty good QB and that's eased the blow a little bit. But how many SD fans wish they would have been a little more patient with Brees right now? P.S. In no way am I comparing EJ to Brees. But in Brees' first year as a starter (his 2nd year in the NFL), he threw 17 tds and 16 Ints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 (edited) God it hurts to see what a real team looked like. Even more depressing! and yet that team was 4-12, with Kelly throwing crucial 4th qtr picks in at least 3 games that i remember. And the next year 7-8 in a strike shorten season...but they did not fire the whole damn team.. scoring only 7 in the last two games of the year when they still had a shot at the playoffs..again this place would have exploded! Wonder what this board would have done to him with those picks Edited December 10, 2013 by plenzmd1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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