White Linen Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 That what I was saying trade himto Denver for a first. Why do you think we didn't trade him to Denver a first round pick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 (edited) Williams is a safety now and by all accounts a pretty darn good one... He will play instead of Searcy in the safety packages Having A Wiiliams at a Safety position this year caused a hullabalooalready. after the previous horrendous season(or two) he had. Unde Mr Pettine , Aaron really started to shine and look comfortable then start to hit hard. He did not struggle till we became decimated with injuries in the secondary that the wheels started to wobble and schme and alignments became skewed. I found him to be redeemed this year at safety and as a player. I want him on the Bills. period . Edited October 19, 2013 by 3rdand12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 Tons of teams tried to trade Colin Brown and the Bills just cut him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnwalter Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 his stock was high on tbd, not high around the league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 Aaron Williams had a monster game against Boring Joe Flacco a few weeks ago. After said game, he returned to form, getting burned too often and not making any plays. What is his role in this defense? Are we supposed to pretend he can be just like Byrd? Byrd was a CB converted to safety as well, but Byrd looked good for more than one game in his first year. I don't think Williams will be even close to Byrd and Byrd isn't even that good. Leonhard is a more consistent playmaker, and Searcy, while young and mistake prone, has actually had more than 1 good game in his career. And while it is unlikely Byrd stays here, if he did, Aaron Williams would be a ST player only. So, we should've jettisoned the guy. Called up any team, I don't care if it was the Pats or the Jets, and unloaded him for a hopeful 2nd round pick or, more likely, a 4th rounder. I hope that the FO did shop him, but I'll never know. If they were not shopping him, they made a mistake. SImple as that. You are an intelligent and erudite poster, and we are fortunate to have you here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 Yeah, and Thad Lewis had a pretty good game last week, I sure hope the front office shopped him around this week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Beard Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 That what I was saying trade himto Denver for a first. Williams is an asset as a safety and as an emergency cornerback. You don't trade players like that. Denver's first round pick will probably be somewhere between pick #28 to pick #32. The Bills' second round pick could easily be somewhere around pick #40 to #45. Is trading away an asset really worth that pick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted October 20, 2013 Author Share Posted October 20, 2013 Williams is an asset as a safety and as an emergency cornerback. You don't trade players like that. Denver's first round pick will probably be somewhere between pick #28 to pick #32. The Bills' second round pick could easily be somewhere around pick #40 to #45. Is trading away an asset really worth that pick? What pick # did we get Kiko and Woods? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Beard Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 What pick # did we get Kiko and Woods? good point. but i think the draft is such a crap shoot that having 3 picks out of the top ~45 versus having 2 picks out of the top ~45 isn't worth trading away williams, even if such a deal could be made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 What pick # did we get Kiko and Woods? Now you're hedging your point on the recent drafting successes of the Bill's FO. Eeesh. Remember, money you have now is worth more than money you can have in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enlightener Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 I think he should be traded for a first and a second and a left guard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent 91 Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 I'm shocked this is actually a thread 2 pages of people responded to. The posters comments are sarcastic I hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted October 20, 2013 Author Share Posted October 20, 2013 (edited) Now you're hedging your point on the recent drafting successes of the Bill's FO. Eeesh. Remember, money you have now is worth more than money you can have in the future. Do you believe we won't draft successful next year too? That stinks. Or do you think the FO believes they can't draft successfully again? I said sell high, not sell for nothing. I don't see how trading a second-stringer for a possible starter could be that big of a risk. Getting a complete "bust" would be worst case scenario, but we could get a potential starter or a second stringer at literally any other position and they would be more important to this team than AW. In the grand scheme of the future of this franchise, it'd be like betting 5 dollars and you can either end up with 15, 10, 5 or 0. Edited October 20, 2013 by FireChan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orton's Arm Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 (edited) When exactly was A Williams stock high??? he had one game where he made some great plays. He has shown some potential to be a good safety. Williams has been asked to play CB where he is not best suited. By week 10 if everyone stays healthy and this D backfield has time to gel we will really see what this D can do. Defensive backfields are very much like Oline. The more guys play together and get comfortable with one another the better they play. So far i doubt we have had the same guys start a game in the defensive backfield from one week to another. > Defensive backfields are very much like Oline. Don't let Bill from NYC hear this! Edited October 20, 2013 by Edwards' Arm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 Everyone gets burned deep by Torrey Smith...But the tackle he made ultimately saved/won the game. I was shocked that he caught him. It was a great recovery. Despite the grousing his man coverage has been decent and stellar in contrast to last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 This may be better in the "unpopular opinions" thread...but here goes: I still think Aaron Williams has some up-side. I realize, he has been burned a bit this year, but I think his coverage has been much, much better than last year. It may just be the result of better defensive coaching, but Williams, though beat, has had pretty good coverage most of the time...he has not been getting burned like last year...he has been so close on so many plays...corner really is one of the toughest positions to play in the NFL (probably behind only QB)...the receivers are getting bigger, and the rules are really stacked against them. I am sure there are those who are still not thrilled with the play of Leodis McKelvin, but look how long it has taken him to be thought of as a legit corner, rather than just a return man. Williams may ultimately be better at safety, but he does have some talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benderbender Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 this is easily the worst post this year (so far) I saw an old fence post that was worse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibs Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 This may be better in the "unpopular opinions" thread...but here goes: I still think Aaron Williams has some up-side. I realize, he has been burned a bit this year, but I think his coverage has been much, much better than last year. It may just be the result of better defensive coaching, but Williams, though beat, has had pretty good coverage most of the time...he has not been getting burned like last year...he has been so close on so many plays...corner really is one of the toughest positions to play in the NFL (probably behind only QB)...the receivers are getting bigger, and the rules are really stacked against them. I am sure there are those who are still not thrilled with the play of Leodis McKelvin, but look how long it has taken him to be thought of as a legit corner, rather than just a return man. Williams may ultimately be better at safety, but he does have some talent. But you're missing the point of the thread. Do you think that after he showed that he does indeed have some legitimate potential that we should try and trade him for a 4th(or up to 2nd) round draft pick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 How about no Scott. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 Aaron Williams had a monster game against Boring Joe Flacco a few weeks ago. After said game, he returned to form, getting burned too often and not making any plays. What is his role in this defense? Are we supposed to pretend he can be just like Byrd? Byrd was a CB converted to safety as well, but Byrd looked good for more than one game in his first year. I don't think Williams will be even close to Byrd and Byrd isn't even that good. Leonhard is a more consistent playmaker, and Searcy, while young and mistake prone, has actually had more than 1 good game in his career. And while it is unlikely Byrd stays here, if he did, Aaron Williams would be a ST player only. So, we should've jettisoned the guy. Called up any team, I don't care if it was the Pats or the Jets, and unloaded him for a hopeful 2nd round pick or, more likely, a 4th rounder. I hope that the FO did shop him, but I'll never know. If they were not shopping him, they made a mistake. SImple as that. What is this Williams bashing all about? A. Williams has looked good at safety so far and he was invaluable to the team when he moved back to CB due to injuries. He has made several big plays this seasons. You need lots of good DBs to survive in today's NFL; having versatile players like Williams is an advantage. I see Williams taking a big step forward in his develoment this year and I see a fired up kid that wants to play for us. Can the same be said for Byrd? I expect Byrd to be gone next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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