NoSaint Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 I don't get it. Byrd signing his tender and Byrd being traded are 2 completely different topics. This site puzzles me sometimes. If Byrd CAN sign a long term deal with another team, but CANNOT sign a long term deal with the Bills until after his 16 week gauntlet, of course he wants to be traded. Especially after seeing what happened to Keller, wouldn't you? he cant sign a long term deal with anyone til the close of the season. so his trade value is a bit low until next spring anyway. unless hes wildly unhappy we have no incentive to rush on this. let him play a lights out contract year for us and trade him at peak value in the spring if you really insist on trading him. The name Jairus byrd isnt mentioned once in this article, yet it seems INCREDIBLY relevant to our current discussion: http://deadspin.com/how-espn-manufactures-a-story-colin-kaepernick-edition-1185400028 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In-A-Gadda-Levitre Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 Is this true? I thought Walter Jones got tagged three years in a row? no, it's not true. Albert Breer explains How else did the franchise-tag rules change? Teams can continuously franchise players, but it'll cost them to do that. As had been the case previously, a player tagged a second straight year would have his number set at 120 percent of the previous figure. A third straight year? That's where things change, and the percentage goes up to 144. By the way, here's the relevant section that, to me says that Byrd CAn sign a long term deal with another club: (k) Any Club designating a Franchise Player shall have until 4:00 p.m., New York time, on July 15 of the League Year (or, if July 15 falls on a Saturday or Sunday, the first Monday thereafter) for which the designation takes effect to sign the player to a multiyear contract or extension. After that date, the player may sign only a one-year Player Contract with his Prior Club for that season, and such Player Contract may not be extended until after the Club’s last regular season game of that League Year. how can you interpret the rule as he can sign a long term deal with another club after 7/15? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 By the way, here's the relevant section that, to me says that Byrd CAn sign a long term deal with another club: (k) Any Club designating a Franchise Player shall have until 4:00 p.m., New York time, on July 15 of the League Year (or, if July 15 falls on a Saturday or Sunday, the first Monday thereafter) for which the designation takes effect to sign the player to a multiyear contract or extension. After that date, the player may sign only a one-year Player Contract with his Prior Club for that season, and such Player Contract may not be extended until after the Club’s last regular season game of that League Year. I think I read another team can't sign him to a long term deal either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 1). If you are complaining of threads being closed and having to read thru a thread shut up and adapt. That or go back where you came from. You're in the minority... 2). Furthermore there is absolutely no proof or weight behind this trade talk other then one reporter. It fed the entire thing. Its talk for talkers 3). Byrd is worth more then 1st rounder. Maybe # first rounders 4). Why us all pro talent something you want to trade? Sit down. Be quiet and adapt. There is nothing to yjos story that any of us know despite how smart we may think of ourselves. I think I read another team can't sign him to a long term deal either. he is a franchid player and due to the new CBA he cannot be signed to a long term contract even if traded Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NDBUFFCUSEFAN Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 no, it's not true. Albert Breer explains how can you interpret the rule as he can sign a long term deal with another club after 7/15? As far as Byrd signing long term with a new team I think they can only agree in principle (the Bills could do the same) but what happens if Byrd has a great season and Parker wants more or if Byrd plays terrible/is hurt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPS Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 no, it's not true. Albert Breer explains how can you interpret the rule as he can sign a long term deal with another club after 7/15? You know what...I read it again and I think it can be read the other way. It says no long term deal with PRIOR club. So I thought he could sign long term deal with new club....Then , I thought that the trading club may step into the Bills' shoes and be no better off. Hell, I dunno. no, it's not true. Albert Breer explains how can you interpret the rule as he can sign a long term deal with another club after 7/15? Now I'm convinced I misread it due to the final sentence saying he can't sign extension until after last reg season game. I read the Breer article. The only thing I got out of it is he can be franchised a 3rd straight year at 144% of the top 5 salaries. He says nothing about trading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 You can only tag a player twice in a row. I'd like to see a new nickname for Byrd - 'Tag you are it' b) Any Club that designates a player as a Franchise Player for the third time shall, on the date the third such designation is made, be deemed to have tendered the player' a one-year NFL Player Contract for the greater of: (A) the average of the five largest Prior Year Salaries for players at the position (within the categories set forth in Section 7(a) below) with the highest such average; (B) 120% of the average of the five largest Prior Year Salaries for players at the position (within the categories set forth in Section 7 (a) below) at which the player participated in the most plays during the prior League Year; or © 1 44% of his Prior Year Salary. (By way of example, a kicker designated as a Franchise Player for the third time in the 201 4 League Year would have a Required Tender equal to the greater of: (i) the average of the five largest 201 3 Salaries for quarterbacks; (ii) 1 20% of the average of the five largest 2013 Salaries for kickers; or (iii) 1 44% of the player's own 201 3 Salary.) If the Club designates the player as a Franchise Player for the third time, the designating Club shall be the only Club with which the player may negotiate or sign a Player Contract. In lieu of designating such a player as a Franchise Player for the third time, any Club may designate such player as a Transition Player pursuant to Section 3 below. https://www.nflplayers.com/about-us/CBA-Download/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 By the way, here's the relevant section that, to me says that Byrd CAn sign a long term deal with another club: (k) Any Club designating a Franchise Player shall have until 4:00 p.m., New York time, on July 15 of the League Year (or, if July 15 falls on a Saturday or Sunday, the first Monday thereafter) for which the designation takes effect to sign the player to a multiyear contract or extension. After that date, the player may sign only a one-year Player Contract with his Prior Club for that season, and such Player Contract may not be extended until after the Club’s last regular season game of that League Year. You can't sign a contract with one team while you're under contract with another team! That's absurd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In-A-Gadda-Levitre Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 As far as Byrd signing long term with a new team I think they can only agree in principle (the Bills could do the same) but what happens if Byrd has a great season and Parker wants more or if Byrd plays terrible/is hurt? I'm no expert, I suppose you're right, Byrd and his agent could conceivably come to some agreement in principle, but they'd have to get the Bills to agree (ie compensation, because they could tag him again..). The situation is the same if he has a great season; the Bills can sign him to a multi-year agreement, tag him again, trade him, or let him sign with another team with some killer compensation. Now I'm convinced I misread it due to the final sentence saying he can't sign extension until after last reg season game. I read the Breer article. The only thing I got out of it is he can be franchised a 3rd straight year at 144% of the top 5 salaries. He says nothing about trading. to me, it was the player may sign only a one-year Player Contract with his Prior Club that excluded him from doing anything else. You're right, the Breer article didn't address trades. I only linked it to show the changes to the tag rule (via the new CBA) that allowed teams to continually tag a player, at a cost... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPS Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 You can't sign a contract with one team while you're under contract with another team! That's absurd. Of course it is. One of the talking heads mentioned the possibility of Byrd being traded to another team SO HE CAN GET HIS LONG TERM DEAL. But it looks like, no matter what, this isn't going to happen for Byrd until January. That sucks for the player. I wonder why they closed the negotiating window.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 The expectation is that it will take several weeks for Byrd to get in playing shape. He'll be "extra careful," according to Rapoport. Byrd reportedly is looking for a deal that would make him the highest-paid safety in football. The Bills would like to keep him in Buffalo, but they believe his value falls somewhere in the top five salaries at the position. For someone who desires being paid at the top of his profession, coming in out of shape and being "extra careful" does not send a real good message to the Bills or any other interested team. The message it sends is: ME ME ME He is talented for sure and a very good player. To be paid at the top of your profession though you have to add work ethic to the mix. He's out of shape and will play "carefully" but wants top money? Ummmmmm.....ok. Try that crap in any profession and see where it gets you. He can't sign long term for anyone even after a trade so why would the Titans or Chiefs or Niners or anyone else trade for an "extra careful" player? J rus has always had a little bit of a work ethic issue but mostly about practice. Now he is going to be careful all year? It will be unpopular but I think the Bills are looking at a good season here and although Byrd could help if willing to work, he can only hurt by hanging around with a bad attitude. No team will want him if he is going to play "carefully" We'd be lucky to get a 5th rounder. The attitude is upbeat for the Bills. Why risk that by either keeping Byrd or holding on to him in an effort to obtain another low round pick? Forget it. Just cut him. Period. The only reasonable alternative I see to that is to bring Troy Vincent back as a guest for one practice and have Byrd wear #7 that day. Hello IR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 Of course it is. One of the talking heads mentioned the possibility of Byrd being traded to another team SO HE CAN GET HIS LONG TERM DEAL. But it looks like, no matter what, this isn't going to happen for Byrd until January. That sucks for the player. I wonder why they closed the negotiating window.... so 12 star players wouldnt be sitting at home today trying to get extensions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 (edited) You can't sign a contract with one team while you're under contract with another team! That's absurd. yup - essentially it closes their window to negotiate with other clubs. they can sign a one year deal with the team they are playing for. once signed, that team can trade the one year contract to someone else. point of information - once you have signed a contract to play under, you cannot renegotiate until the close of that season, unless you are cut and that deal is terminated, no? i think thats the full circle closing of the debate, but im not sure on this last bit. Edited August 23, 2013 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 PTR, I can see this happening only in the event Byrd performs at a high level in '13. If Byrd acts sluggish and disinterested I believe he'll be gone. If Byrd acts sluggish and disinterested, what other team is going to make him the top-paid safety? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 (edited) If Byrd acts sluggish and disinterested, what other team is going to make him the top-paid safety? and then you look at a brandon marshall getting traded for a 4 year 48m deal and second round pick after self destructing, AND intentionally hurting his team to force his way out. the nfl is a strange place. i think itll take a lot (injury or attitude) for byrd to get noticeably less then weve offered him. if hes set on being #1 though, he knows he has to play and look great. regardless i dont think he blows this year off. Edited August 23, 2013 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 Of course it is. One of the talking heads mentioned the possibility of Byrd being traded to another team SO HE CAN GET HIS LONG TERM DEAL. But it looks like, no matter what, this isn't going to happen for Byrd until January. That sucks for the player. I wonder why they closed the negotiating window.... February. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Player Available Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 (edited) 1). If you are complaining of threads being closed and having to read thru a thread shut up and adapt. That or go back where you came from. You're in the minority... 2). Furthermore there is absolutely no proof or weight behind this trade talk other then one reporter. It fed the entire thing. Its talk for talkers 3). Byrd is worth more then 1st rounder. Maybe # first rounders 4). Why us all pro talent something you want to trade? Sit down. Be quiet and adapt. There is nothing to yjos story that any of us know despite how smart we may think of ourselves. he is a franchid player and due to the new CBA he cannot be signed to a long term contract even if traded Everything you say makes sense. Problem is people prefer to listen to dipchit media rumor mongers, since apparently it's more fun to listen to complete BS, than being happy one of the better Bills players has signed and seems happy to he's back on board with the team. BTW I heard from a "unnamed source" that EJ isn't happy and wants to be traded. Edited August 23, 2013 by Best Player Available Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 This is one of the worst threads in history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 (edited) Everything you say makes sense. Problem is people prefer to listen to dipchit media rumor mongers, since apparently it's more fun to listen to complete BS, than being happy one of the better Bills players has signed and seems happy to he's back on board with the team. BTW I heard from a "unnamed source" that EJ isn't happy and wants to be traded. I'm sure those reporters have a solid source: Eugene Parker. This is all he has left for leverage until the end of the season. "Uh, Jairus...I know holding out didn't work like I said it would but don't worry. I have people in the media who'll stir things up for me. Don't worry. I know the Bills will cave. Now sit tight and don't get hurt." PTR Edited August 23, 2013 by PromoTheRobot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 I'm sure those reporters have a solid source: Eugene Parker. This is all he has left for leverage until the end of the season. "Uh, Jairus...I know holding out didn't work like I said it would but don't worry. I have people in the media who'll stir things up for me. Don't worry. I know the Bills will cave. Now sit tight and don't get hurt." PTR Holding out the last month has been about next year not this year. It was a long term play. If a trade was priority number 1 he would've been pushing it in April Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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