reddogblitz Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 ... Losman, Edwards, ... etc are all the same QB, low upside, maybe adequate for a short period or as a back-up but going nowhere as a starter. At the time these guys started starting they were considered to have "high upside". Every QB that gets his first starting gig has "high upside". EJ has "high upside". So what? What does that even mean? I think it means they have potential which Bill Parcell's says means, you ain't done nuthin' yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thefootballexpert Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 I'd think I'd rather watch the Bills lose with Manuel at QB than watch them win with Kolb. Just saying, we need to make the move to EJ and get on with the future. I'd rather crawl over a mile of cut glass than watch Corn Hole, (Kolb), play quarterback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 At the time these guys started starting they were considered to have "high upside". Every QB that gets his first starting gig has "high upside". EJ has "high upside". So what? What does that even mean? I think it means they have potential which Bill Parcell's says means, you ain't done nuthin' yet. I also noticed he got the "Most Promising Award" for Training Camp. I had to laugh, considering that means to me "He hasn't really done anything yet, but we think he might someday." As a QB, I think that is appropriate. It is the hardest position to play in the league, and he hasn't played his first game yet. Now the most impressive rookie was Goodwin and CJ as MVP. I concur! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 At the last game I think you could just sense that once EJ went into the game that he was a much bigger threat back there than when Kolb was out there. You can just feel the game change. EJ needs to start game 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Braedenstearns Posted August 22, 2013 Author Share Posted August 22, 2013 I don't think this will happen. EJ will be on the sidelines with a headset, listeing to the plays being called and watching it all unfold. Right where he should be. That's what I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Kolb sucks at being a professional quarterback. EJ starts week 1 and this team doesn't bother looking back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tennesseeboy Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 It is the regular season against a division opponent (THE division opponent) The coach will put in the qb who is going to perform best on that day. If Manuel is healthy and had a good week's practice, I suspect he will have to consider him, given the outstanding play and the lackluster performance of Kolb. On the other hand Kolb has beaten the Patriots and has a lot more experience. All in all, I'd go with EJ if he's healthy and prepared. I suspect it won't be that easy and Manuel may only get a day or two...and the coach earns his paycheck making the decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBaumer Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 What ever happened to that update Marrone was supposed to get 48 after the surgery. He was supposed to find out if EJ might get back earlier.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 What ever happened to that update Marrone was supposed to get 48 after the surgery. He was supposed to find out if EJ might get back earlier.... That's Closely Held and Highly Classified OBD Information. All we'll get is coach speak that tells us nothing. Obviously, You know....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 It is the regular season against a division opponent (THE division opponent) The coach will put in the qb who is going to perform best on that day. If Manuel is healthy and had a good week's practice, I suspect he will have to consider him, given the outstanding play and the lackluster performance of Kolb. On the other hand Kolb has beaten the Patriots and has a lot more experience. All in all, I'd go with EJ if he's healthy and prepared. I suspect it won't be that easy and Manuel may only get a day or two...and the coach earns his paycheck making the decision. I think that says it all. He starts if this happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRQ_BillsFan Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 that's a bit too much I'd rather watch the Bills lose with Manuel at QB than watch them lose with Kolb. I'm always happy after a win. I want EJ to go his whole long BBills career without ever tasting defeat.! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 That's Closely Held and Highly Classified OBD Information. All we'll get is coach speak that tells us nothing. Obviously, You know....... "I talked to the Doctor, and he said that EJ will be ready to play sometime in the future." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinii Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 I think the coaches know they have their starter and decided to get a small problem that EJ could have played with talken care of now rather than have it linger for the season...I think we wont even be able to notice that something was done come week one...(just the opinion of a PT...if there are any knee doc on the board with different thoughts fire away...) Not a doctor and I didn't stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night but I agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 I want EJ to go his whole long BBills career without ever tasting defeat.! So far, so good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsBytheBay Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 I was thinking either bursa or torn meniscus. I've had both - the meniscus tear required arthroscopic surgery to grind off the piece that was sticking up/out and I was off crutches in about 10 days... I had a meniscus tear as well. I was told not to use cruches, and was back at work in less than two weeks. Strait back to static line parachuteing, and that's hell on a knee. I have faith EJ plays game one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobChalmers Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 (edited) At the time these guys started starting they were considered to have "high upside". Every QB that gets his first starting gig has "high upside". EJ has "high upside". So what? What does that even mean? I think it means they have potential which Bill Parcell's says means, you ain't done nuthin' yet. I am sure you know this statement is inaccurate. "High upside" meas they have good physical tools with room to develop. No one ever accused Fitz of a high upside. Barkley dropped where he did because he lacked it. No high upside for Flutie either, nor Russell Wilson, nor Chad Pennington, nor... Losman was an athlete who threw a pretty bomb. He also was badly coached and made a lot of bad decisions, so he never developed his obvious potential. Edwards was the top college recruit out of college who played on a bad college team, so yeah, he seemed to have unrealized potential too. EJ Manuel certainly has that - probably more than any other QB in the draft this year, which is the same thing all the national talking heads have said about him - "more upside than any other QB coming out this year". That's why a Mike Mayock supports the pick - "If I'm going to take a gamble, I'm going to gamble on the kid with the high upside." It's true production is generally better than potential, but that doesn't mean there aren't readily apparent differences in potential, or that potential isn't worth something. Edited August 22, 2013 by BobChalmers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 What ever happened to that update Marrone was supposed to get 48 after the surgery. He was supposed to find out if EJ might get back earlier.... You'd think a reported would ask Marrone about it. Seems like that Maro dust-up a few weeks ago had the desired effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orton's Arm Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 I am sure you know this statement is inaccurate. "High upside" meas they have good physical tools with room to develop. No one ever accused Fitz of a high upside. Barkley dropped where he did because he lacked it. No high upside for Flutie either, nor Russell Wilson, nor Chad Pennington, nor... Losman was an athlete who threw a pretty bomb. He also was badly coached and made a lot of bad decisions, so he never developed his obvious potential. Edwards was the top college recruit out of college who played on a bad college team, so yeah, he seemed to have unrealized potential too. EJ Manuel certainly has that - probably more than any other QB in the draft this year, which is the same thing all the national talking heads have said about him - "more upside than any other QB coming out this year". That's why a Mike Mayock supports the pick - "If I'm going to take a gamble, I'm going to gamble on the kid with the high upside." It's true production is generally better than potential, but that doesn't mean there aren't readily apparent differences in potential, or that potential isn't worth something. I disagree with the way you're using the words "potential" and "upside." Tom Brady doesn't have great physical tools. The guy lost a foot race to Drew Bledsoe, for crying out loud! But he had a ton more upside than any other QB in the 2000 draft. Why? Because of his ability to throw the ball accurately; and because of his very fast information processing speed. On the other hand, Losman had great physical tools, but didn't have much upside. No matter what kind of coaching he got, he was never going to be able to process information quickly, or throw the ball with consistent accuracy. He just didn't get the same intelligence-related genes that Tom Brady got. We don't yet know how good Manuel or Tuel are at processing information quickly and accurately. The more time they spend on the field, the more we'll learn. At this point, I think it's too early to call either of them high upside or low upside. Their upside is undefined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris heff Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 I disagree with the way you're using the words "potential" and "upside." Tom Brady doesn't have great physical tools. The guy lost a foot race to Drew Bledsoe, for crying out loud! But he had a ton more upside than any other QB in the 2000 draft. Why? Because of his ability to throw the ball accurately; and because of his very fast information processing speed. On the other hand, Losman had great physical tools, but didn't have much upside. No matter what kind of coaching he got, he was never going to be able to process information quickly, or throw the ball with consistent accuracy. He just didn't get the same intelligence-related genes that Tom Brady got. We don't yet know how good Manuel or Tuel are at processing information quickly and accurately. The more time they spend on the field, the more we'll learn. At this point, I think it's too early to call either of them high upside or low upside. Their upside is undefined. I think with QBs it is these three things in this order, quick decision making, accuracy, and arm strength. Isn't "low upside" an oxymoron? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluenews Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 I'm not a doctor, but did stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night... From the reports prior to and after the procedure, it seems more than likely E.J. Manuel's procedure was a PRP injection (link below). By now E.J.3 should be stretching and strengthening the knee and should be back on the field as early as next week. http://www.hss.edu/condition-list_prp-injections.asp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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