Mario Williams: Is a Pattern Forming?

[IDBillzFan]

He's making porn now?

 

Not Paris Hilton. Perez HIlton.

[Thurmal34]

 

 

 

Wow.

 

This place is intolerable sometimes.

 

No dude, you are intolerable. Your posts is this thread smack of arrogance and border on preaching. Shut up.

[Coach Tuesday]

 

 

No dude, you are intolerable. Your posts is this thread smack of arrogance and border on preaching. Shut up.

 

I wrote a response and then deleted it.

 

I can get how someone would disagree with me. I specifically started my opinion by acknowledging that I am in the minority. The response has been several outright personal attacks... kind of a shame.

 

This place used to be more of a community, where people could disagree with each other without getting emotionally dug in. Every once in awhile someone would actually change their mind - I know I have, many times.

 

Now most of the time it's just people blindly shouting at each other and drowning out all dissent, like sports talk radio. Maybe it's indicative of society. But it's no coincidence that a lot of informed and engaged posters have disappeared over the years, including the guy who wrote the article that sparked this thread. I was in the camp that thought he overreacted, but after reading through this thread I understand why he left.

Edited June 30, 2013 by Coach Tuesday

[MDH]

 

This place used to be more of a community, where people could disagree with each other without getting emotionally dug in.

 

 

This simply isn't true. It's always been dog eat dog just like the rest of the internet. The community element only comes in if it's another long time poster who you know to be fairly level headed and so other old timers would respond in a level headed manner. Otherwise, it's just like the rest of the internet but with better moderation so it doesn't get too out of hand.

 

Hell, we've had people chased off over rattata and homework threads - and those were other long time posters.

[Rob's House]

I wrote a response and then deleted it.

 

I can get how someone would disagree with me. I specifically started my opinion by acknowledging that I am in the minority. The response has been several outright personal attacks... kind of a shame.

 

This place used to be more of a community, where people could disagree with each other without getting emotionally dug in. Every once in awhile someone would actually change their mind - I know I have, many times.

 

Now most of the time it's just people blindly shouting at each other and drowning out all dissent, like sports talk radio. Maybe it's indicative of society. But it's no coincidence that a lot of informed and engaged posters have disappeared over the years, including the guy who wrote the article that sparked this thread. I was in the camp that thought he overreacted, but after reading through this thread I understand why he left.

 

Tim Graham left because he's a kitty. There was a poster who for some reason felt the need to insult ESPN and its writers, who at the time were TG's employer and colleagues. Rather than putting him in his place, reporting his displeasure to the mods, or warning that he didn't care to engage with those insulting his friends and coworkers he responded to one lone poster by throwing a little B word fit, taking his ball and going home. Yeah, it was a dick move to throw those insults a guy who came here to share what he knew, and I did enjoy his posts, and didn't blame him for having a problem with those posts (personally I cringed for fear they would ultimately run him off), but the way he left outed him as petty and thin-skinned and his twitter behavior and subsequent articles have done little to dispell that image.

[Ralph W.]

 

 

I wrote a response and then deleted it.

 

I can get how someone would disagree with me. I specifically started my opinion by acknowledging that I am in the minority. The response has been several outright personal attacks... kind of a shame.

 

This place used to be more of a community, where people could disagree with each other without getting emotionally dug in. Every once in awhile someone would actually change their mind - I know I have, many times.

 

Now most of the time it's just people blindly shouting at each other and drowning out all dissent, like sports talk radio. Maybe it's indicative of society. But it's no coincidence that a lot of informed and engaged posters have disappeared over the years, including the guy who wrote the article that sparked this thread. I was in the camp that thought he overreacted, but after reading through this thread I understand why he left.

 

This post had everything, made me laugh, made me cry, and made me not order Pizza today. Gonna grill some burgers now.

[RealityCheck]

I wrote a response and then deleted it.

 

I can get how someone would disagree with me. I specifically started my opinion by acknowledging that I am in the minority. The response has been several outright personal attacks... kind of a shame.

 

This place used to be more of a community, where people could disagree with each other without getting emotionally dug in. Every once in awhile someone would actually change their mind - I know I have, many times.

 

Now most of the time it's just people blindly shouting at each other and drowning out all dissent, like sports talk radio. Maybe it's indicative of society. But it's no coincidence that a lot of informed and engaged posters have disappeared over the years, including the guy who wrote the article that sparked this thread. I was in the camp that thought he overreacted, but after reading through this thread I understand why he left.

It's ironic. We can start threads criticizing players' focus on football based on internet snippets and a few pictures that take minutes to make, and then respond with hurt feeling when we ourselves are subjected to the same dynamic in a much smaller, more intimate forum of exchange. Now imagine this ordeal that you have just experienced, and tomorrow morning having Tim Graham make assertions in print about you so that all of your colleagues can be exposed. Not to mention the people who have never met you making their opinions known in other threads around cyberspace. In a way, you and Mario are going through a similar experience. I hope you can get your ring back too.

[Coach Tuesday]

It's ironic. We can start threads criticizing players' focus on football based on internet snippets and a few pictures that take minutes to make, and then respond with hurt feeling when we ourselves are subjected to the same dynamic in a much smaller, more intimate forum of exchange. Now imagine this ordeal that you have just experienced, and tomorrow morning having Tim Graham make assertions in print about you so that all of your colleagues can be exposed. Not to mention the people who have never met you making their opinions known in other threads around cyberspace. In a way, you and Mario are going through a similar experience. I hope you can get your ring back too.

 

For $100 million, I'll take the insults from a bunch of Internet tough guys with Simpsons' screen names.

[#34fan]

I agree with the OP here 100%... A patttern of immaturity, petttiness, and lack of focus is definitely emerging... I predict we're going to have ROOKIES on this team more mature, and focused, than Mario... Way down deep, I know that big money has taken a small intellect, and made it even smaller..

 

If all goes well, he'll finish this season with great numbers.... but someone, somewhere needs to shake his tree, and get him to grow the f___ up. -Seriously.

 

For $100 million, I'll take the insults from a bunch of Internet tough guys with Simpsons' screen names.

 

I'd do it for a cool million... What's that ater taxes? -around 600 thou? -Hate to lowball you, but that's the figure I had in mnd.

[K-9]

It's true. He purchased 2 very expensive cars for the Houston PD. Let that sit for a second if you will.....there are segments of the American culture who might see this as an act of being a traitor for political, and other reasons. Mario doesn't care what they think, and put his own money down for the safety and well being of his community. Imo, he is a literal hero for doing so.

 

This thread (and probably the article which I didn't read) are indicative of society. He is remembered for a wacky court battle with an ex. He is remembered for ONLY registering 10 1/2 sacks on a lousy defense, this while playing injured. He SHOULD be lauded for looking out for his community.

 

PS: He is the best player on the Buffalo Bills.

 

I agree with this entirely. He played his postion extremely well last year on a crappy defense with minimal surrounding talent to say the least. The story of his generosity to the law enforcment community is great to hear. Seems the world could use a few more Mario Williamses.

 

On a side note, when Tim Graham left TBD I thought, "Crap. We ran off a decent contributor." But if his tweets are any indication of his true persona, I'm glad he's gone. He's got issues.

 

GO BILLS!!!

[JohnC]

It's true. He purchased 2 very expensive cars for the Houston PD. Let that sit for a second if you will.....there are segments of the American culture who might see this as an act of being a traitor for political, and other reasons. Mario doesn't care what they think, and put his own money down for the safety and well being of his community. Imo, he is a literal hero for doing so.

 

This thread (and probably the article which I didn't read) are indicative of society. He is remembered for a wacky court battle with an ex. He is remembered for ONLY registering 10 1/2 sacks on a lousy defense, this while playing injured. He SHOULD be lauded for looking out for his community.

 

 

 

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When Houston let Mario walk in the free agent market they drafted J.J. Watt. They got a better player and person for a more realistic price.

 

The issue with the ring and his relationship with his ex was his personal business. But when he publicly accused her of gold digging he brought his private issue into the public realm. After his classless and misleading characterization of her at the podium she, through her attorney. responded with her version of the relationship that pictured him in a very unfavorable light.

 

Mario Williams is a physical specimen. However, he isn't always a full effort player. I would glady take J.J. Watt over him.

 

PS: He is the best player on the Buffalo Bills

 

For the amount of money he is being paid he should be.

 

Don't mistake my view of him. I'm not saying that he is a bad guy. That isn't the case. What I am saying is I'm not putting him on a pedestal.

[Doc]

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When Houston let Mario walk in the free agent market they drafted J.J. Watt. They got a better player and person for a more realistic price.

 

The issue with the ring and his relationship with his ex was his personal business. But when he publicly accused her of gold digging he brought his private issue into the public realm. After his classless and misleading characterization of her at the podium she, through her attorney. responded with her version of the relationship that pictured him in a very unfavorable light.

 

Mario Williams is a physical specimen. However, he isn't always a full effort player. I would glady take J.J. Watt over him.

 

 

 

For the amount of money he is being paid he should be.

 

Don't mistake my view of him. I'm not saying that he is a bad guy. That isn't the case. What I am saying is I'm not putting him on a pedestal.

Actually the Texans drafted Watt the year before Mario left. But they had no idea how good Watt would be when they let Mario go because they couldn't afford to keep him. And Watt will no doubt be looking for a substantial pay raise in about a year, should he have another season like last year. As for being a better person, let's wait for another 5 years before we make that claim.

[Coach Tuesday]

PS: He is the best player on the Buffalo Bills.

 

Bill: I love you, man. And I hate knowing that what I am about to say to you is against everything you stand for...

 

But Spiller is the best player on the Bills. Followed possibly by Gilmore and (when healthy) Wood. Then Mario, then Kyle, then Byrd.

[stony]

I agree with the OP here 100%... A patttern of immaturity, petttiness, and lack of focus is definitely emerging... I predict we're going to have ROOKIES on this team more mature, and focused, than Mario... Way down deep, I know that big money has taken a small intellect, and made it even smaller..

 

If all goes well, he'll finish this season with great numbers.... but someone, somewhere needs to shake his tree, and get him to grow the f___ up. -Seriously.

 

 

I'd do it for a cool million... What's that ater taxes? -around 600 thou? -Hate to lowball you, but that's the figure I had in mnd.

 

I think you're joking. Right? You "know" the money has affected his intellect? Seriously?

Edited July 1, 2013 by stony

[Mr. WEO]

Actually the Texans drafted Watt the year before Mario left. But they had no idea how good Watt would be when they let Mario go because they couldn't afford to keep him. And Watt will no doubt be looking for a substantial pay raise in about a year, should he have another season like last year. As for being a better person, let's wait for another 5 years before we make that claim.

 

Well that's obviously untrue. In his rookie year, Watt had 56 tackles (48 solo) and 5.5 sacks, 2 fumble recoveries, and a blocked FG. In his first playoff game, he had a pick six. In his second playoff game, he had another 2.5 sacks.

 

Meanwhile, Mario was out after 5 games (and would only start 18 games in his last 2 seasons) and the Houston defense actually got much better. So, it's not a matter that they couldn't afford him--clearly, they no longer needed him.

 

Watt may command a big contract, but he will be coming off several very productive years, not IR after having played only 18 of 32 games previous to his new contract. In other words, the Texans won't be wildly overpaying Watt to stay.

Edited July 1, 2013 by Mr. WEO

[JohnC]

Actually the Texans drafted Watt the year before Mario left. But they had no idea how good Watt would be when they let Mario go because they couldn't afford to keep him. And Watt will no doubt be looking for a substantial pay raise in about a year, should he have another season like last year. As for being a better person, let's wait for another 5 years before we make that claim.

 

The Texans knew well in advance that they were not going to keep Williams for the probable gilded price. The organization did what good organizations do i.e. anticipate player and contract situations.

 

The Texans drafted Watt with the 11th pick in the draft. They knew they were getting a good player who would be a backup plan for allowing Mario to leave in free agency. Did they know how good he was going to be? Probably not. But my main point in the prior posting is that he is a better player and value than Mario. That is a point that you can't disagree with if you are a fair-minded evaluator of players.

Edited July 1, 2013 by JohnC

[Doc]

Well that's obviously untrue. In his rookie year, Watt had 56 tackles (48 solo) and 5.5 sacks, 2 fumble recoveries, and a blocked FG. In his first playoff game, he had a pick six. In his second playoff game, he had another 2.5 sacks.

 

Meanwhile, Mario was out after 5 games (and would only start 18 games in his last 2 seasons) and the Houston defense actually got much better. So, it's not a matter that they couldn't afford him--clearly, they no longer needed him.

 

Watt may command a big contract, but he will be coming off several very productive years, not IR after having played only 18 of 32 games previous to his new contract. In other words, the Texans won't be wildly overpaying Watt to stay.

The Texans didn't get better because Mario got injured. That's so silly it's laughable. The reason they improved defensively after 2010 is because the Texans hired Wade Phillips as DC prior to the 2011 season, to replace such luminary DC's as Richard Smith and Frank Bush. And as for Watt's rookie season, Dareus had 5.5 sacks as a rookie as well, so there's that. And let's wait until Watt has a few more seasons under his belt before we talk about his durability.

 

The Texans knew well in advance that they were not going to keep Williams for the probable gilded price. The organization did what good organizations do i.e. anticipate player and contract situations.

 

The Texans drafted Watt with the 11th pick in the draft. They knew they were getting a good player who would be a backup plan for allowing Mario to leave in free agency. Did they know how good he was going to be? Probably not. But my main point in the prior posting is that he is a better player and value than Mario. That is a point that you can't disagree with if you are a fair-minded evaluator of players.

Watt is definitely a better value and at present a better player. But we'll see what Pettine can get out of him, seeing as how Wade got 5 sacks in 5 games out of him.

[Buftex]

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[Mr. WEO]

The Texans didn't get better because Mario got injured. That's so silly it's laughable. The reason they improved defensively after 2010 is because the Texans hired Wade Phillips as DC prior to the 2011 season, to replace such luminary DC's as Richard Smith and Frank Bush. And as for Watt's rookie season, Dareus had 5.5 sacks as a rookie as well, so there's that. And let's wait until Watt has a few more seasons under his belt before we talk about his durability.

 

 

Watt is definitely a better value and at present a better player. But we'll see what Pettine can get out of him, seeing as how Wade got 5 sacks in 5 games out of him.

 

It's silly and laughable because you made that part up. I never said they got better because he was injured (so pathetic, doc), but while he was injured. This cannot be disputed, nor can the fact that they decided they didn't need him and they were correct. Wade is a great DC, but it is also true that the combination of players they had the rest of the season worked very well and made Mario expendable.

 

Finally, your comparison between Watt's rookie year and Dareus's is what is truly laughable. The regualr season sack total is the only thing they had in common their rookie years.

[Lurker]

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