KOKBILLS Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 Spiller had 5500 yards and 39 TDs. 1500 yards less than Austin, but same TDs. Not sure what you're looking at but Spiller had 4967 yards from scrimmage compared to Austin's 4444...And CJ had 51 total TD's (KR and PR included) to Austin's 40...Austin did have more Kick and Punt return yards than Spiller (a little over 200 yards more)...Spiller's KR average was better than Austin's...Austin's PR average was better than Spiller's...All this according to sports-reference.com... No matter though...IMHO Spiller was still better... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 (edited) But if someone on the street is offering you that, or a box of shingles which do you toss in your truck? There's a balance and if you have a shot at someone special (not arguing that tavon is that) you take someone special and figure out the rest later. Bad analogy. You aren't being offered a choice between a fancy entertainment system and a box of shingles. You have 6 draft picks, a whole bunch of needs, and the fact that the most talented contributors at every position are typically found in the first round I don't think that the big plays will be made over the top (which would require good QB and OL play). I think that this offense will be predicated on getting the ball into playmakers hands quickly and letting then do the work. A guy that can take a 7 yard slant to the house is appealing to me. Thanks for clarifying, I understand your point better now. Fair enough, but arguably we already have 2, maybe 3?, such guys. Edited April 7, 2013 by Hopeful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 Spiller had 5500 yards and 39 TDs. 1500 yards less than Austin, but same TDs. SEC vs. Big 12 discount... http://espn.go.com/college-football/player/gamelog/_/id/487982/year/2012/tavon-austin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 Spiller had 5500 rushing yards and 39 TDs. 1500 yards less than Austin, but same TDs. Spiller had 3547 yards rushing and 32 TD's, 1420 yards receiving and 11 TD's, 2052 KO return yards with 7 TD's, and 569 punt return yards with 1 TD. Austin had 3413 receiving yards and 29 TD's, 1031 rushing yards and 6 TD's, 2407 kick return yards and 4 TD's, and 433 punt return yards and 1 TD. So Spiller had 304 more total yards and 11 more TD's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 wes welker is overrated. you could put me in the slot with my cane and id catch eighty balls for twelve hundred from marcia the cheating hofer. wes is only slightly better than that With all respect, Head Made of Meat, I think that's horse-pucky. It reads as though you've never watched Welker play. You and your cane would never get off the line and be open in the right place at the right time to catch those eighty balls. And you'd never get half the yardage that Welker gets. Welker has an uncanny ability to make people miss and gain yards after the 1st contact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPS Posted April 7, 2013 Author Share Posted April 7, 2013 Not sure what you're looking at but Spiller had 4967 yards from scrimmage compared to Austin's 4444...And CJ had 51 total TD's (KR and PR included) to Austin's 40...Austin did have more Kick and Punt return yards than Spiller (a little over 200 yards more)...Spiller's KR average was better than Austin's...Austin's PR average was better than Spiller's...All this according to sports-reference.com... No matter though...IMHO Spiller was still better... You're right. I was reading his rushing stats only. So Spiller and Austin had similar stats. I know it sounds like I'm huge into Austin's corner, but it's kind of in a Bill James way. Anyone who can be that productive has to be a good prospect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 (edited) Bad analogy. You aren't being offered a choice between a fancy entertainment system and a box of shingles. You have 6 draft picks, a whole bunch of needs, and the fact that the most talented contributors at every position are typically found in the first round Thanks for clarifying, I understand your point better now. Fair enough, but arguably we already have 2, maybe 3?, such guys. Okay. not that you can enough threats , but i can see Spiller and a potential Graham who can burst past almost anyone.whom is the third and is Graham the second one ? Austin at eight for us seems a stretch to me but the coaches know what plating schemes they are going to run better than i But this guy is going to come in and play ball right away imo. Thats value in a receiver these days and Kolb is better at being the play calling described here by most. Catch and run. Not a big arm. Give Kevin a target who can get off the line and then turn it up. perfect. We can still get the big fella later in the draft. I myself want an inside linebacker asap so who are the 3 amigos hopeful? ps can Tavon block ?? Edited April 7, 2013 by 3rdand12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 Bad analogy. You aren't being offered a choice between a fancy entertainment system and a box of shingles. You have 6 draft picks, a whole bunch of needs, and the fact that the most talented contributors at every position are typically found in the first round Thanks for clarifying, I understand your point better now. Fair enough, but arguably we already have 2, maybe 3?, such guys. It was exaggerated for sure, but ultimately when you start reaching for holes instead of taking stars staring you in the face, you've failed miserably. Again, not saying tavons a star but if he turned into harvin without the baggage, you'd be hard to justify taking even a good player at a position of need. You have a lot of ways to put band aids on your roster, pick 8 shouldn't be about filling holes it should be about getting the type of player that is very hard to get in free agency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 I was just speaking in hypotheticals. I do want a QB at #8, preferrably Geno or EJ. I want nothing to do with Nassib, but am so scared these guys are going to make the lazy homer pick and take him at #8. I have nothing to base this on other than a feeling...I think that Nassib at 8 will be the furthest thing from the minds of the FO. The firestorm, if he failed, would be too much for the coach and FO to withstand. All would be gone after 2 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 I have nothing to base this on other than a feeling...I think that Nassib at 8 will be the furthest thing from the minds of the FO. The firestorm, if he failed, would be too much for the coach and FO to withstand. All would be gone after 2 years. That's about right, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 That's about right, no? Unless we break the cycle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 Unless we break the cycle. Yep. And if we don't, I hope that Brandon is fired. In fact, I hope that he gets fired today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 Blah blah blah...no one knows how this kid will perform. It's a cost benefit analysis and certainly, a 5ft 8 inch WR is not going to provide a benefit more than a killer LB or OT in Round 1. Stop dreaming folks and come back to planet Earth. If we draft Tavon at #8 I'll eat my Bills' hat (pics provided) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 Great post. Is Austin roscoe ? Or have you seen him play ? My guess is he was making a general comment about the board at this time of the year. No reason for you to 'attack' him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meathead Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 With all respect, Head Made of Meat, I think that's horse-pucky. It reads as though you've never watched Welker play. You and your cane would never get off the line and be open in the right place at the right time to catch those eighty balls. And you'd never get half the yardage that Welker gets. Welker has an uncanny ability to make people miss and gain yards after the 1st contact. you watch your language im just saying welkers pretty good but hes not the dominating stud hes portrayed to be. best of the best qbs make everybody look like all-pros. a player like welker on any other team except maybe the saints would probably get two-thirds of their production. thats just the way it is but most ppl overlook that, even those in the bidness sometimes same thing with the coaching. i hate brady but hes crazy good at this stupid game. so much so that a sub-.500 career hc without him is portrayed as some kind of great genius. wes is as studly as belicheater is genius, which means neither of them are and thats the point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamOnDan Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 Tavon Austin will be the first WR selected. Write it down. No team in the league has another WR higher on their board than this guy. In fact, he is the most dynamic offensive player in the draft hands down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramius Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 Blah blah blah...no one knows how this kid will perform. It's a cost benefit analysis and certainly, a 5ft 8 inch WR is not going to provide a benefit more than a killer LB or OT in Round 1. Stop dreaming folks and come back to planet Earth. If we draft Tavon at #8 I'll eat my Bills' hat (pics provided) There's absolutely no way of stating this as a fact. I have nothing to base this on other than a feeling...I think that Nassib at 8 will be the furthest thing from the minds of the FO. The firestorm, if he failed, would be too much for the coach and FO to withstand. All would be gone after 2 years. They're definitely in a bit of an odd situation. Even if Nassib did grade out the highest of all QBs according to their scouting reports, until he proved that he was good, the perspective of the pick would be that he was nothing more than a lazy homer pick because he was the "coach's boy" in college. Fair or unfair, that's going to be what it looks like if they draft Nassib. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 There's absolutely no way of stating this as a fact. Exactly, just as there is no way to state with any degree of certainty that Tavon will be a premier WR...but with a deep WR class, why not shore up a LB unit that rendered our defense 28th in the NFL?? All I'm saying is - look at the big picture with respect to team needs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 There's absolutely no way of stating this as a fact. They're definitely in a bit of an odd situation. Even if Nassib did grade out the highest of all QBs according to their scouting reports, until he proved that he was good, the perspective of the pick would be that he was nothing more than a lazy homer pick because he was the "coach's boy" in college. Fair or unfair, that's going to be what it looks like if they draft Nassib. Likewise, imagine if they pass on him at 41 and he succeeds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 Winning games is also fun. Well Bill...We're Bills fans...So we would know nothing about that... Yes, what is this strange concept about "winning" games? It is foreign to me and I find it disquieting to say the least. Yep. And if we don't, I hope that Brandon is fired. In fact, I hope that he gets fired today. Wadya have against yesterday? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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