brenty Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 Can't we talk about how Chan and Nix suck, and how fitz needs to stop playing, and how mario should be traded and that Ralph is cheap.. those were the good ol days... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsrhody Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 And Ryan Fitzpatric was an attempt at a Franchise QB Â What I dont get is, Bush tried a homebuyers credit, it didn't work, so Obama tried one too. The same could be said for the Bank Bailouts and Auto Bailouts etc. Â Yet some people hate Bush and love Obama. What gives? They are basically the same guy. Then, the liberal media keeps trying to tell me that Romney is going to use the same policies as Bush - that couldn't be further from the truth. Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterpan Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 Â Please explain to me the difference in the political ideology behind Bush's homebuyers credit, auto bailout, and bank bailout vs. the ideology behind Obama's homebuyers credit, auto bailout, and bank bailout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orton's Arm Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 Â What differences do you see between them? Â Under Clinton, federal spending was 17% of GDP. Under Bush, that increased to 19%, in what Bush's critics correctly referred to as "spending money like a drunken sailor." Under Obama, federal spending has risen to 26% of GDP. Â Neither president did much of anything to rein in spending. Both increased spending with respect to healthcare entitlements: Bush with his prescription drug program, Obama with Obamacare. Both racked up very large deficits. Deficits averaged about 2% of GDP under Bush, and about 10% of GDP under Obama. Â Bush strongly supported the Patriot Act; which Obama has not repealed. Obama's vice president favors more government spying on its own citizens, and more rights for record companies and movie studios in their quest to reshape the Internet according to their liking. Â Both Bush and Obama signed massive bailouts for the financial sector, resulting in hundreds of billions of government spending. Â I'll agree that Bush and Obama were different in terms of foreign policy. But I don't see a huge difference on the domestic side, except that Obama has shown even more willingness to borrow and spend/buy votes than Bush had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterpan Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 (edited) Good point with the Patriot Act. I have noticed Gitmo remains open and operating as well (althought I am OK with that). Â However, Obama IMO could and should be Impeached and charged with murder and a slew of other charges for ordering the assasination of a US citizin who was never charged with a crime or convicted of any crime. Obama - in his sole and absolute discretion - determined this man was a terrorist and had him assasinated. Obama further state after the fact on his order A US citizin could be indefinately detained without charge, even if it was on US soil. Needless to say that is blatently UnConstituional. Â No one man should ever - ever - hold that type of power. Edited November 6, 2012 by peterpan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsrhody Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 So because they have some overlapping ideology they're "basically the same guy"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dundy249 Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 Almost over...Neither candidate is head and shoulders above the other. My theory is Obama had his chance and we are worse office. Time to cut bait and move on....Same idea with the bills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tu-Toned Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 I voted for Marack Oromney, this will ultimatley delay the final result, as they try to figure who this deciding ballot was cast for. It is going to be worse then the hanging chad fiasco. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 (edited) I voted for Marack Oromney, this will ultimatley delay the final result, as they try to figure who this deciding ballot was cast for. It is going to be worse then the hanging chad fiasco. You should pack your bags and head to another country so there is an international man hunt for you. Keep posting though in your travels and if no clear winner emerges from all of this, a two-man sack race will be held on consecutive Sundays until a champion can be crowned. Edited November 6, 2012 by The Wiz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterpan Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 So because they have some overlapping ideology they're "basically the same guy"? Â You have been fooled by the media. 'some overlapping ideology' - I just covered about 50% of their job description. The other 50% is being the Commander in Chief, the rest is filled with fotter like gay marraige and abortion arguments, of which I am convinced there is no right or wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tu-Toned Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 (edited) You should pack your bags and head to another country so there is an international man hunt for you. Keep posting though in your travels and if no clear winner emerges from all of this, a two-man sack race will be held on consecutive Sundays until a champion can be crowned. Shoot, we might not have a decision until were ready for the next election. Just one question "a two man sack race to be held on consecutive sundays", does that mean one guy races on sunday, and then the other the following sunday? btw, love your 'tar, is that the most interesting quarterback on the planet? Edited November 6, 2012 by Tu-Toned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 wiife just got back, no line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 Shoot, we might not have a decision until were ready for the next election. Just one question "a two man sack race to be held on consecutive sundays", does that mean one guy races on sunday, and then the other the following sunday? btw, love your 'tar, is that the most interesting quarterback on the planet? Yes he is, and the two-man sack race is a quote from baseketball that I always remember for some reason. Could have Pres run and then VP run in the following Sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 If Obama wins, it will be four more years of the Bills using first round picks on first-contract-and-out DBs, or RBs who get replaced every 3.5 years. It will be four more years of no real quarterback, no real defensive coordinator, and an inept owner. Â If Romney wins, the Bills will obtain a franchise QB and a top tier coaching staff. Mario's wrist will heal, and he will become the player we'd all hoped for. Â You must work for the Romney campaign! All he does is tell LIES!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 What differences do you see between them? Â Â Â one will end their term with $20 TRILLION in debt (Obama), the other with $19 TRILLION in debt (Romney). Â neither party is capable of governing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPS Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 One thing I would like about a Romney election: He's a Mormon. Electing someone from a somewhat kooky religion brings us a little further from the evangelical nonsense and shows a continued growth of tolerance from the electorate. First a minority. Then a Mormon. What's next....a woman? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 one will end their term with $20 TRILLION in debt (Obama), the other with $19 TRILLION in debt (Romney). Â neither party is capable of governing. In all honestly though, what's the difference between 20 and 19 trillion dollars. Not mathematically but in terms of economy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJasper Probincrux III Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 Comparing our fiat currency to other countries who are also devaluing their fiat currencies is futile to say the least. Â Gold per ounce 2000 = $280 2012 = $1790 Â Silver per Ounce 2000 = $5 2012 = $30 Â Crude Oil per Barrel 2000 = $27 2012 = $93 Â Gasoline per Gallon 2000 = $1.60 2012 = $4.00 Â Whole Milk per Gallon 2000 = $2.80 2012 = $3.65 I get what your saying. It's oversimplifying it somewhat to lay it all at the feet of inflation. Global supply and demand plays a role as well. Â The US is exporting roughly 3 times as much gasoline as it was in 2000 and the domestic price has gone up about 150% (it's only 3.40 here today). If the gas were being brought to market here like it was in 2000 the price would be much lower but it's more profitable to flip it to Latin America. Â Milk is tied cows which are tied to corn which is tied to oil. In 2000 we used less than 10% of the corn crop for ethanol, now it's 40%. That by necessity drives up the cost of livestock feed and thus livestock. Throw into that mix oil consumption being up globally, gasoline consumption up globally along with some funky weather and the 1 billion additional people that have been added to the population between 2000 and 2010 and you get what we have. Â Inflation certainly plays a role but I believe you're putting the US into too much of a vacuum. There are other forces that drive the cost of goods other than our monetary policy. Devaluing the currency isn't good policy for anyone and the country needs to stop stockpiling debt but going back to the gold or silver standard isn't going to happen and honestly each would come with its own set of issues if they did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo 66 Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 Please write this guy in!! I would take him over gailey as head coach as well!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Syracuse Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 Please write this guy in!! I would take him over gailey as head coach as well!! Â Nugent is an idiot. If he gave a **** about the constitution he'd be SCREAMING about the Patriot Act every day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 Few anecdotes that i found interesting today.  1) Had to be in the Fairfax County Government Center for business today..2 hour wait at 6 PM to vote  2) Just on a con call with the head of Talent Acquistion of a Fortune 500..exact words were "candidates hold all the cards right now..how do you help us attract more than than X"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo 66 Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 Nugent is an idiot. If he gave a **** about the constitution he'd be SCREAMING about the Patriot Act every day. Why is he an Idiot?? Because he speaks the truth?? Too radical for your Liberal mind?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Syracuse Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 Liberal? Just because I think Nugent is an idiot? That all you got? Â Â Read the Patriot Act and then come back and talk about the Constitution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo 66 Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 Liberal? Just because I think Nugent is an idiot? That all you got? Â Â Read the Patriot Act and then come back and talk about the Constitution. Relax bro! All in fun! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUFFALOKIE Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 Â Â Nugent is an idiot. If he gave a **** about the constitution he'd be SCREAMING about the Patriot Act every day. Â I agree. I camt stand the nooge. But Stranglehold is in my top five coolest muthafuggin rock and roll songs EVER! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Player Available Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 Why is he an Idiot?? Because he speaks the truth?? Too radical for your Liberal mind?? Nugent=Truth? LOL! Nugent isn't radical. He's a big time tool though. BTW my mind isn't liberal, but he has few friends since he started sleeping with hannity. oops correction, he's had few friends since his Amboy Dukes days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUFFALOKIE Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 LEGALIZE IT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo 66 Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 Well It looks like the Bills are not the only ones DOOMED! Looks like America is headed down the same path! Shame on you AMERICA!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPS Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 Well It looks like the Bills are not the only ones DOOMED! Looks like America is headed down the same path! Shame on you AMERICA!!! Â I disagree and I voted as such. Romney did not do enough to convince that he was a better man for the job. "Are you better off" just didn't play for me when his plans didn't add up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phxbacker Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 At least when i get laid off from my job, I'll have unlimited unemployment checks coming. hopefully the mandatory 5 weeks vacation comes before that however! YEH HA ! I wonder how high our deficit will grow in the next 4 years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills44 Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 I disagree and I voted as such. Romney did not do enough to convince that he was a better man for the job. "Are you better off" just didn't play for me when his plans didn't add up. Â what plans did he have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benderbender Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 \ what plans did he have? To win the election for starters. But its okay the apocalypse is coming next month anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 (edited) Well, I'm nothing short of stunned at the Presidential election results. Stunned. To me it's impossible for any thinking person who pays attention to the very real and very large issues we face as a country to conclude that the current president is the better choice to lead this nation going forward. Our debt, our annual deficit, illegal immigration, a stagnant at best economy, oversubscribed and underfunded entitlements, a weakening international standing and a growing population of people not ready or willing to be self sufficient - all are staggering issues. The devil is in the details. The numbers tell the story. Bright and committed minds can solve these, yet our President has not presented one sound plan that can correct any of these issues. He speaks in lofty poll tested phrases and says nothing at the same time. He avoids the real numbers and does not have the courage to face these issues. Frankly, he is often less than honest and demonstrates this with regularity. Â Today voters are the problem. Too few are informed and too few are willing take the time to study an issue and think about how it should be solved and who is best to solve it. Too many vote for candidates who will deliver small things to them individually at the expense of the big picture. Too many even when faced with the facts vote for the man or women who is part of the problem or not a part of the solution. Â Who will solve our nation's issues, those now in Washington or the voters? I don't have faith in either one. Seriously, we are a nation committing suicide. No need to worry about me. It's most of you, my kids, my friends, neighbors and future generations that are screwed without a big change in direction soon on many things. Edited November 7, 2012 by keepthefaith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 Well, I'm nothing short of stunned at the Presidential election results. Stunned. To me it's impossible for any thinking person who pays attention to the very real and very large issues we face as a country to conclude that the current president is the better choice to lead this nation going forward. Our debt, our annual deficit, illegal immigration, a stagnant at best economy, oversubscribed and underfunded entitlements, a weakening international standing and a growing population of people not ready or willing to be self sufficient - all are staggering issues. The devil is in the details. The numbers tell the story. Bright and committed minds can solve these, yet our President has not presented one sound plan that can correct any of these issues. He speaks in lofty poll tested phrases and says nothing at the same time. He avoids the real numbers and does not have the courage to face these issues. Frankly, he is often less than honest and demonstrates this with regularity. Â Today voters are the problem. Too few are informed and too few are willing take the time to study an issue and think about how it should be solved and who is best to solve it. Too many vote for candidates who will deliver small things to them individually at the expense of the big picture. Too many even when faced with the facts vote for the man or women who is part of the problem or not a part of the solution. Â Who will solve our nation's issues, those now in Washington or the voters? I don't have faith in either one. Seriously, we are a nation committing suicide. No need to worry about me. It's most of you, my kids, my friends, neighbors and future generations that are screwed without a big change in direction soon on many things. Â Well said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowery4 Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 I for one, am happy Obama won (for a lot of reasons) and this thread shouldn't be here (IMO). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garion Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 Â Â I disagree and I voted as such. Romney did not do enough to convince that he was a better man for the job. "Are you better off" just didn't play for me when his plans didn't add up. Â Same here. Paul Ryan also a major negative in my book. McCain was a better candidate than Romney (minus Palin) though I voted dem in 2008 as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmur66 Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 WHAT HAVE YOU SHEEPLE DONE? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Info Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 I believe this is the first political comment I ever made anywhere on TBD. IMO - the Republican party or Tea Party will have a difficult time in presidential elections going forward due to their exclusivity, specifically minorities and you could also toss in women and LGBT. I saw stats that one of the Bush's won the electoral college with 62% of the white vote. Romney had the same percent this election but the minorities/non-white now constitute a larger % of the population and that number will continue to grow. I recall seeing coverage of the RNC this year on the Daily Show and how it was difficult for them to find minorities in attendance. Now I know they had an agenda but nonetheless there was a paucity of minority attendees as compared to the the DNC. While Republicans and the Tea Party are successful in regional elections depending upon location, that does not translate as well to the country-wide demographics change that is occurring and will continue. BTW - I work for a large corporation and my wife is a small business owner so I consider the federal/state impact of both environments when I am voting regionally and for president. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JinWPB Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 Deficit spending is the biggest TAX ever imposed on each and every citizen The Federal government is the NEW Slavemaster regardless the color of your skin. The average american family can never hope to save or pass on any meaningful wealth or inheritance , the American Dream is dead so long as these policies continue. Â When the inflation storm begins (soon), "IT" will be the Armageddon.and the Feds will finally get to use their FEMA camps. Â The ignorance that allows people to be distracted by petty rhetoric and the pitiful, slow death of government handouts is truly frustrating. Â Perhaps perpetual gridlock in DC is the best we can hope for, Better they do nothing for their cures only make matters worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otto Graham Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 Well said. Agree! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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