bills44 Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 Chan said today on WGR that there is no one out there that knows the plays better than the players they have i.e. Why bring in someone else who doesn't know the plays and that we haven't already picked up. The Bills will dance with the girls they came with. The offense is now in CJ's hands. Gailey makes his "system" out to be so complex. If that's the case, why are opponents so rarely fooled by it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kasper13 Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 They really have to bring in a veteran WR. Stevie, Jones, Graham, Martin, Smith and Easley on the PS. Weak position just got weaker and thinner. Another injury there and they are in very serious trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 Gailey makes his "system" out to be so complex. If that's the case, why are opponents so rarely fooled by it? Complete BS. The reason Fitz is getting paid what he does is solely because of his system. It's the reason SJ is getting paid and FJax having career season. It's a very good offense that is limited because we have a limited QB. If RG3 or Luck was triggering our offense, this would be a very tough offense to defend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
todzilla Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 Gailey makes his "system" out to be so complex. If that's the case, why are opponents so rarely fooled by it? Thank you! So a receiver that knows the system, but basically stinks, is better than a wide receiver with talent (Branch, Burress), that will have to learn on the fly? Not sure I buy that one. Best of luck on the rehab Mr. Nelson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bud Adams Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 Heck, they brought in Merriman, why throw away the millions that Ralph finally spent already. Bring him in, can it really hurt at this point? The season is on the verge of floating down the toilet after one game, at least try to salvage it for a proven guy, with post season experience who will come at basically the minium salary. For some reason, they're apparently scared of shooting themselves in the foot. BA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 Thank you! So a receiver that knows the system, but basically stinks, is better than a wide receiver with talent (Branch, Burress), that will have to learn on the fly? Not sure I buy that one. Best of luck on the rehab Mr. Nelson. If those guys are so good, why aren't they signed by any of the other 32 teams? This isn't 5 years ago. Every year you play in the NFL, you are less valuable. If this is Burress on the Giants and Branch on the Pats for his 1st stint, sign me up. But players normally don't get better after they turn 30. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
todzilla Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 Complete BS. The reason Fitz is getting paid what he does is solely because of his system. It's the reason SJ is getting paid and FJax having career season. It's a very good offense that is limited because we have a limited QB. If RG3 or Luck was triggering our offense, this would be a very tough offense to defend. So Fitz is getting paid what he is because of a system that he is not fit to run? So is it the FO that has failed us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bud Adams Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 If those guys are so good, why aren't they signed by any of the other 32 teams? This isn't 5 years ago. Every year you play in the NFL, you are less valuable. If this is Burress on the Giants and Branch on the Pats for his 1st stint, sign me up. But players normally don't get better after they turn 30. Randy Moss looked pretty damn good yesterday. And "nobody wanted him" either, save San Fran. Not bad for a 35-year-old, I'd say. BA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
todzilla Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 If those guys are so good, why aren't they signed by any of the other 32 teams? This isn't 5 years ago. Every year you play in the NFL, you are less valuable. If this is Burress on the Giants and Branch on the Pats for his 1st stint, sign me up. But players normally don't get better after they turn 30. I'm not saying either turns the Bills into Super Bowl contenders, but I feel that yes, even on the wrong side of 30, they are a better option than Easley, Naaman, and the like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 (edited) Gailey makes his "system" out to be so complex. If that's the case, why are opponents so rarely fooled by it? Post of the regular season...so far! Funny and with a kernal of truth! Edited September 10, 2012 by Buftex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 Randy Moss looked pretty damn good yesterday. And "nobody wanted him" either, save San Fran. Not bad for a 35-year-old, I'd say. BA He had the same stats as Donald Jones. Trust me, I won't care if we took a chance on those "name" guys but I think people just hang onto the name too much. The reason the Fins gave up on 85 so quick is because he's not that good anymore. The same with Branch in NE. And Burress struggles to get separation and is basically a skinny TE at this stage of his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickelCity Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 The loss of Nelson is devastating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills44 Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 Complete BS. The reason Fitz is getting paid what he does is solely because of his system. It's the reason SJ is getting paid and FJax having career season. It's a very good offense that is limited because we have a limited QB. If RG3 or Luck was triggering our offense, this would be a very tough offense to defend. So who do you think is better - guys like Branch, Gaffney or Burress, or Ruvell Martin, his ST prowess (LOL) notwithstanding? This team needs fewer Ruvell Martins and Tashard Choices, and more talented players. If those guys are so good, why aren't they signed by any of the other 32 teams? This isn't 5 years ago. Every year you play in the NFL, you are less valuable. If this is Burress on the Giants and Branch on the Pats for his 1st stint, sign me up. But players normally don't get better after they turn 30. Reminds me of the Fred Jackson extension... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jupiterreef Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 ROSCEO, played in the slot for us & knows our offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 So who do you think is better - guys like Branch, Gaffney or Burress, or Ruvell Martin, his ST prowess (LOL) notwithstanding? This team needs fewer Ruvell Martins and Tashard Choices, and more talented players. Reminds me of the Fred Jackson extension... I don't have all the names but I'm sure there are some lesser names guys on the market who are better than Branch and Burress at this stage of their career. Look at Lee Evans. Players get old and the .1 or .2 drop in speed is the difference between getting open and being covered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills44 Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 maybe Yancey Thigpen or Ernie Mills are available. They might remember "The System" I don't have all the names but I'm sure there are some lesser names guys on the market who are better than Branch and Burress at this stage of their career. Look at Lee Evans. Players get old and the .1 or .2 drop in speed is the difference between getting open and being covered. There very well might be better WRs on the market. My point is, Gailey seems to tied to people who know his system (e.g. Martin, Choice) - it can't be that hard to pick up on the fly...it's not like we're dealing with rocket science. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 ROSCEO, played in the slot for us & knows our offense. Perhaps you meant ROSCOE and he plays for the Raiders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 maybe Yancey Thigpen or Ernie Mills are available. They might remember "The System" There very well might be better WRs on the market. My point is, Gailey seems to tied to people who know his system (e.g. Martin, Choice) - it can't be that hard to pick up on the fly...it's not like we're dealing with rocket science. Martin's on because of STs. But you are right that he's very loyal to Choice. I agree you should get the best player available but it is hard for guys to come in during hte season and make an impact. It's why you rarely see trades in season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 He had the same stats as Donald Jones. Trust me, I won't care if we took a chance on those "name" guys but I think people just hang onto the name too much. The reason the Fins gave up on 85 so quick is because he's not that good anymore. The same with Branch in NE. And Burress struggles to get separation and is basically a skinny TE at this stage of his career. Moss had more of an impact than Donald Jones, stats are not the entire story. I.E. Moss did not play in "garbage" time with the defense giving up. Also, a certain Manning that many believed was past his "prime" played pretty well against the #1 D last night. maybe Yancey Thigpen or Ernie Mills are available. They might remember "The System" There very well might be better WRs on the market. My point is, Gailey seems to tied to people who know his system (e.g. Martin, Choice) - it can't be that hard to pick up on the fly...it's not like we're dealing with rocket science. Agreed. Also, our current WR's can't get any separation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 Perhaps you meant ROSCOE and he plays for the Raiders I think I read that they cut him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsaikotic Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 according to rotoworld.com this is the list of available free agent WR's: Wide Receivers 1. Terrell Owens 2. Plaxico Burress 3. Jabar Gaffney 4. Chad Johnson 5. Deion Branch 6. Danario Alexander 7. Adrian Arrington 8. Donte' Stallworth 9. Mark Clayton 10. Jordan Shipley 11. Big Mike Williams 12. Greg Camarillo 13. Lee Evans 14. Mike Sims-Walker 15. Roscoe Parrish 16. Blair White 17. Patrick Crayton 18. Seyi Ajirotutu 19. Mardy Gilyard 20. Michael Clayton 21. Antonio Bryant 22. Tiquan Underwood 23. Carlton Mitchell 24. Maurice Stovall 25. Deon Butler 26. Chad Hall 27. Brett Swain 28. Jason Hill 29. Roberto Wallace 30. Anthony Gonzalez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 Bring up Easley! Where are all those people now? Probably wanting to sign Burress or Parrish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 Give me Deion Branch and Mike Williams from that list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 If those guys are so good, why aren't they signed by any of the other 32 teams? This isn't 5 years ago. Every year you play in the NFL, you are less valuable. If this is Burress on the Giants and Branch on the Pats for his 1st stint, sign me up. But players normally don't get better after they turn 30. Am I the only one who thought Plaxico looked great against the Bills at the Ralph last year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 Personally, I would take a shot at Burress (no pun intended). He did alright with the Jets last year...Shipley has great hands, and can catch anything (a great assett with our QB), but he just can't stay healthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigc14120 Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 Plax has the same height as Nelson and is a good red zone target. Why not sign him for a year? He won't come here, Erie County won't give him a pistol permit! according to rotoworld.com this is the list of available free agent WR's: Wide Receivers 1. Terrell Owens 2. Plaxico Burress 3. Jabar Gaffney 4. Chad Johnson 5. Deion Branch 6. Danario Alexander 7. Adrian Arrington 8. Donte' Stallworth 9. Mark Clayton 10. Jordan Shipley 11. Big Mike Williams 12. Greg Camarillo 13. Lee Evans 14. Mike Sims-Walker 15. Roscoe Parrish 16. Blair White 17. Patrick Crayton 18. Seyi Ajirotutu 19. Mardy Gilyard 20. Michael Clayton 21. Antonio Bryant 22. Tiquan Underwood 23. Carlton Mitchell 24. Maurice Stovall 25. Deon Butler 26. Chad Hall 27. Brett Swain 28. Jason Hill 29. Roberto Wallace 30. Anthony Gonzalez Where is Roosevelt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussiebills Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 I'm really upset about this, we all wanted a injury free season, and it was obvious that Nix didnt go get a WR in free agency as he was expecting Nelson, Jones, Johnson and a little bit of Graham to be good enough. I'm upset about: 1) He was my favourite Wide Receiver, now that Naaman is gone. He is clutch and critical on big time plays 2) This is another reason Nix has screwed up, started the season with only four full time wideouts. And one of them was a rookie. Brooks goes on IR so he brings back Ruvell Martin. I get Martin can play Special Teams but he has rocks for hands. Why wouldnt you sign a Wide Receiver in FA or at least keep Hagan or Roosevelt who know the system to be depth for this team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLutieFLakesPLZnoOJ Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 I am still scratching my head as to why they brought back Ruvell Martin instead of Roosevelt or someone else with a clue. Because Ruvell Martin is fantastic in ST Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kasper13 Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 I'd take Burress and Branch. It's only a veteran minimum/non-guaranteed contract after week 1, They can't seriously think they will be OK just by sticking Graham in there, Just this morning Chan said he wasn't ready and had more learnin to do. Another injury and they would be totally decimated at WR, With Fitz not exactly looking even adequate right now, they need a veteran WR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussiebills Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 Read something that said, Jones to the slot receiver and Graham, Martin or Smith taking snaps at #2. We need to bring someone in to try and help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geno Smith's Arm Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 I can't get that worked up about losing Nelson. To call his loss "devastating", or a "crippling blow" seems a bit over dramatic, considering how nondescript the WR corps (aside from SJ) is. I guess Nelson is a tad better than Donald Jones, but if the team was placing that much hope for a potent offense in Donald Nelson, the offense was already in trouble. Looks to me like the passing game was gonna suck, with or without Nelson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 I really wish Easley was ready to step in. If not, bring in Plax!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 Im more intreaged by Gaffney than anyone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussiebills Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 I can't get that worked up about losing Nelson. To call his loss "devastating", or a "crippling blow" seems a bit over dramatic, considering how nondescript the WR corps (aside from SJ) is. I guess Nelson is a tad better than Donald Jones, but if the team was placing that much hope for a potent offense in Donald Nelson, the offense was already in trouble. Looks to me like the passing game was gonna suck, with or without Nelson. That's the problem Chan and Buddy not getting any other wideouts, we were forced to put our hope into SJ and Nelson with Jones to help them out. Incredible poor management by the GM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geno Smith's Arm Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 That's the problem Chan and Buddy not getting any other wideouts, we were forced to put our hope into SJ and Nelson with Jones to help them out. Incredible poor management by the GM Maybe, but who? They tried Meachem. Who was available that wasn't just another mediocre guy? The team had serious holes to fill, and they tried to upgrade as many as they could. I like the off-season moves by ChaNix, it's the other aspects that seem to be failing. The coaching, game preparation, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 It is too bad they didn't land Meacham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 It's time to bring Deion Branch in for a workout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geno Smith's Arm Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 The Bills could have Calvin Johnson and Larry Fitzgerald, and the passing game would still suck. It's the QB. A top flight QB can work with mediocre receivers, but a bad QB just sucks. Deion Branch would s*** the bed with Fitz as his QB. Donald Jones would be a top 15 WR with Tom Brady, or Peyton Manning throwing him the rock. Wringing your hands over a replacement for Nelson is just ignoring the elephant in the room. I expect Fitz will have some big games this year (geez, I hope he can at least be inconsistent!), but I finally accept that he can't lead them to the promised land. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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