Fan in San Diego Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 From the same article, "Gone are headaches, quitters, contrarians and usurpers." The following names immediately came to mind: Lynch, Schobel, Evans and Whitner." Feel free to suggest better replacements. Good article TG. Trent Edwards maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milehiLou Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 i had wondered why Evans was shipped off for just a fourth rounder, this statement by Nelson makes sense for why a beloved player in the organization was jettisoned. I could see Lee being the guy who thought he knew it all, and besides i believe Nix and Gailey stated they want players who are on the rise or peaking on this team. I always liked Evans but he was surely a "go" route runner and was a bit small, which makes sense that he didnt want to run underneath routes...ie, "buying into the system" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Bills Fan Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 Is this article online somewhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ko12010 Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 For all we know Trent was talking about check-downs (or am I a year late?). It's hard not to check down in the NFL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 (edited) Is this article online somewhere? http://www.buffalonews.com/sports/bills-nfl/article962047.ece?twobillsdrive should really be posted in the OP. Edited July 24, 2012 by DrDareustein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homey D. Clown Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 Or... combine it all. All of what you wrote, AND not buying into the new philosophy. I wouldn't be opposed to that theory, matter of fact, I'm sure it all has to do with jettisoning a player. It was clear before the season started to me anyway he was a player in decline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SactoBillFan Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 From the same article, "Gone are headaches, quitters, contrarians and usurpers." The following names immediately came to mind: Lynch, Schobel, Evans and Whitner." Feel free to suggest better replacements. Good article TG. I wouldn't put Schobel in that category. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 The Kelsay extension also feeds into this. Nix' justification was that hes a good 'locker room guy'. They wanted to send a message that if you buy in, you will be rewarded, if not you're gone. Yeah, that would make more sense now. Certainly, Kelsay has been a dependable- if nothing else- grinder of an ok defensive end. A (very) poor man's Phil Hansen. So, play on the field did not warrant the amount of the extension that he received. But, if signing him was the figurehead move of an entire franchise- i.e., sign those grinders and workers to build from as examples of what TO DO- then this makes great sense. I'm even more encouraged that the franchise is now in capable hands. i had wondered why Evans was shipped off for just a fourth rounder, this statement by Nelson makes sense for why a beloved player in the organization was jettisoned. I could see Lee being the guy who thought he knew it all, and besides i believe Nix and Gailey stated they want players who are on the rise or peaking on this team. I always liked Evans but he was surely a "go" route runner and was a bit small, which makes sense that he didnt want to run underneath routes...ie, "buying into the system" Exactly. He was starting to get high in miles too, as evidenced in Baltimore, with injuries becoming all too frequent. If he was part of the locker room cancer, then I am 100% glad that he's long gone. I found the beginning of the article very surprising: WOW, that's a very different story than what we were hearing from the players and coaches at the time. But looking back, it makes sense. I don't doubt that Nelson was talking about Evans, and I'd bet Wilson was talking about Whitner. So glad we put Nix in charge and he (along with Whaley and Gailey) have been able to at least change the attitude and culture around OBD. "Telling players to pack up and leave". Which coach(es) do you suppose that was? I'm a high school football coach, and the staff all talked about it this year, that last years coaching staff said that exact same thing, and it only served as a negative reinforcement and created a great divide between player and coach. Players need positive reinforcement. I wonder if Gregg Williams was the one saying this? Given his recent past, I can certainly see that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 "Telling players to pack up and leave". Which coach(es) do you suppose that was? I'm a high school football coach, and the staff all talked about it this year, that last years coaching staff said that exact same thing, and it only served as a negative reinforcement and created a great divide between player and coach. Players need positive reinforcement. I wonder if Gregg Williams was the one saying this? Given his recent past, I can certainly see that... Wilson's first season with us was 2004, under Mularkey. Gregg was already gone. But it was most likely a position coach anyways. Tough to say whether it would have been when he was a WR or after he switched to DB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 Nelson isnt all that great and I feel that he himself could be riding pine. he certainly is good at convincinf everyone that he and fitz are tight and on the same page but competition is def on his heals and i believe don jones takes the slot w the rookie or easly as second speed threat. Nelson needs to improve his game tremendously in order to start. Your kidding right? This guy has been the most consistent receiver on our team since he walked into camp besides Stevie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meark Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 Probably Lee, probably not Roscoe as they kept him for a year and injuries were his undoing. Who else do rookie wide-outs listen too other than the all pro WR, a guy who quit a couple of years earlier. That Lee dropped that ball that would have gotten his team into the Super Bowl shows that quitters never win. Lee Evans was an all pro WR? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 Ummm, pretty unprofessional, crying over spilt milk. Blaming guys that are not even here, this is a punk move. I am absolutely convinced you are a troll..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meark Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 Nelson isnt all that great and I feel that he himself could be riding pine. he certainly is good at convincinf everyone that he and fitz are tight and on the same page but competition is def on his heals and i believe don jones takes the slot w the rookie or easly as second speed threat. Nelson needs to improve his game tremendously in order to start. So 61 catches for 658 yards isn't good enough to be the slot receiver? LOL.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 I wouldn't put Schobel in that category. Agreed. Schobel played his ass off on some bad teams. Contrarian? Maybe...he certainly walked his own path. I'd hardly think of him as a quitter, though. I wouldn't consider Lynch in that category, either. Lynch's problem was less selfishness and more knuckleheadedness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 So 61 catches for 658 yards isn't good enough to be the slot receiver? LOL.. amazing the attitude about the 3rd option isnt it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 The Kelsay extension also feeds into this. Nix' justification was that hes a good 'locker room guy'. They wanted to send a message that if you buy in, you will be rewarded, if not you're gone. Best point made in the entire thread. It's an age-old idea but sometimes something so simple gets lost in all the 24 our news cycle noise. GO BILLS!!! Lee Evans was an all pro WR? Yep, he was. And Losman was his All Pro QB at the Pro Bowl game where they co-shared the MVP award. GO BILLS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramius Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 Agreed. Schobel played his ass off on some bad teams. Contrarian? Maybe...he certainly walked his own path. I'd hardly think of him as a quitter, though. I wouldn't consider Lynch in that category, either. Lynch's problem was less selfishness and more knuckleheadedness. Good post. Too many people in this thread are taking players that didn't live up to their own personal expectations, and automatically taking that childish anger and twisting it into "those guys were malcontents and caused all the problems." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FitzShowUsYourTitz Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 5 pages on this in less than 12 hours. Damn, lets start training camp already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AReed Deep For6 Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 So 61 catches for 658 yards isn't good enough to be the slot receiver? LOL.. Agreed, how could you even pretend like Donald Jones (cant catch, inconsistent) or that Easley (hasnt played a down in the NFL).... utterly ridiculous statement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 (edited) Your kidding right? This guy has been the most consistent receiver on our team since he walked into camp besides Stevie the question remains... is that because hes been that good, or everyone else is that lackluster? i would say it would be an easy spot to still upgrade, but hes not bad either. to the actual topic though - yea it surprises me lee got such a sterling reputation here. though some didnt like his play, off the field he was quite revered as one of the good guys. sometimes i think we toss that title around too easily to anyone that doesnt openly bash us. there were definitely a couple times he made comments that raised my eyebrow with regards to team management. i could easily see him being a guy that thinks he knows whats supposed to be happening. Edited July 24, 2012 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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