ChanOverChin Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/cap-hit/. Here are some guys whose salaries don't seeme to be commensurate with their production thus far: Kelsay $5.75M Merriman $5.75M D. Edwards $4.175M Sp. Johnson $4M B. Smith $3.75M T. Thigpen $3M C. McIntyre $1.1M T. Troup $942K L. Dotson $700K D. Clowney $700K K. Moore $615K J. Gilbert $615K From that list, there's no way that Thigpen stays for $3M when the Bills now have Young as their #2 QB. Expect him to be waived at some point. I can't believe Kelsay's $5.75M. Merriman's $5.75M and Edwards' $4.175M have been a rip off thus far. Sp. Johnson's $4M and B. Smith's $3.75M are surprises as well. However, in Wannstedt's 4-3 I think that Kelsay, Merriman, Edwards and Johnson could be revitalized. iI they are, nobody will care how much money they're making. Bills' current cap figure is $112,950,146. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BisonMan Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/cap-hit/. Here are some guys whose salaries don't seeme to be commensurate with their production thus far: Kelsay $5.75M Merriman $5.75M D. Edwards $4.175M Sp. Johnson $4M B. Smith $3.75M T. Thigpen $3M C. McIntyre $1.1M T. Troup $942K L. Dotson $700K D. Clowney $700K K. Moore $615K J. Gilbert $615K From that list, there's no way that Thigpen stays for $3M when the Bills now have Young as their #2 QB. Expect him to be waived at some point. I can't believe Kelsay's $5.75M. Merriman's $5.75M and Edwards' $4.175M have been a rip off thus far. Sp. Johnson's $4M and B. Smith's $3.75M are surprises as well. However, in Wannstedt's 4-3 I think that Kelsay, Merriman, Edwards and Johnson could be revitalized. iI they are, nobody will care how much money they're making. Bills' current cap figure is $112,950,146. I totally agree on Thigpen. He's already at his high side (or past it) and Young's high side is something coaches love. Coach 'em up and pay less him less than pigpen. The Bills don't know what they are going to get out of the D-Linemen listed. I'm guessing one or two will be standouts and the others will be role players and likely overpaid. Unfortunately, we don't know which ones yet. Does Kelsay's hustle help him shine with a better supporting case? Does Merriman come back to his old form? How do the others fit in a 4-3? Maybe they play better too. Who knows. Keep'em all because we are way under the cap at this point with only TJG left to sign. Having depth on the D-Line in a 4-3 is a must. I noted at the bottom of that listing that we are still carrying $3.7M for Florence and Evans. Ugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Straw Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 I'd be extremely surprised if Kelsay gets cut. The whole organization seems to think the world of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 Is $120mil the current cap? They will definatly cut a couple guys making $3mil+ i am sure before the end of camp. I could see them extending some guys then. But to be honest the Bills set the precedent with Stevie, Fitz, Jackson, and Chandler that if you play you will get paid. So i do not think the same pressure is on them like before to try and lock their guys up too early. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 Look at part of the situation when these guys were signed too...you don't pay the same price for Water floating down a river as your do in a desert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Miner Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 Why do we care how much they're paid? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 (edited) Why do we care how much they're paid? Cap space!!! For once it seems like this team is willing to pay. Need to make sure the $$ is going to the right guys, esp. with Levitre, Wood and Byrd all coming up soon. Edited June 11, 2012 by RyanC883 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 B. Moorman -- $1.675M Seriously, looking at that list I think the Bills have done a pretty good job managing the roster and the cap. Sure, Merriman's number is big, but if he comes back healthy this season it's a bargain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramius Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 Cap space!!! For once it seems like this team is willing to pay. Need to make sure the $$ is going to the right guys, esp. with Levitre, Wood and Byrd all coming up soon. The cap is going to make an astronomical jump very soon. When the new TV deal kicks in, the cap will go up towards the 140-150 million range, not the $120 like it has been the past 2 seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Miner Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 Cap space!!! For once it seems like this team is willing to pay. Need to make sure the $$ is going to the right guys, esp. with Levitre, Wood and Byrd all coming up soon. Why do you need to do that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 1339449010[/url]' post='2484670']Why do you need to do that? Because he's a fan and wants the best for this team. Locking up levitre and Byrd are in the best interests of the team. No, he's not going to be the one that cuts and signs people, but he cares about and thinks about it, just like a lot of people on this board. Why do you need to be a Debbie Downer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
widerightradio Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 How much cap space any given player is consuming is different from how much of a cap savings we would get if we cut him and how much the Bills would save in actual dollars by cutting him. Some of the numbers are the same or very close, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 I don't have much issue with that list. Merriman and Kelsay are going to provide very valuable depth at the most important position on the defensive side (DL). Kelsay was the most productive defensive lineman last year, other than Dareus, imo. Merriman, if healthy, can be another boost. If he hits another health bump, no problem, release him. Troup is as good as gone. Johnson is good depth, again. Brad Smith isn't going anywhere, he can be used at a variety of positions, and we've learned that's a good thing, even if he doesn't show up amazingly on paper. Thigpen is likely gone. Not much to look at otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Player Available Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/cap-hit/. Here are some guys whose salaries don't seeme to be commensurate with their production thus far: Kelsay $5.75M Merriman $5.75M D. Edwards $4.175M Sp. Johnson $4M B. Smith $3.75M T. Thigpen $3M C. McIntyre $1.1M T. Troup $942K L. Dotson $700K D. Clowney $700K K. Moore $615K J. Gilbert $615K From that list, there's no way that Thigpen stays for $3M when the Bills now have Young as their #2 QB. Expect him to be waived at some point. I can't believe Kelsay's $5.75M. Merriman's $5.75M and Edwards' $4.175M have been a rip off thus far. Sp. Johnson's $4M and B. Smith's $3.75M are surprises as well. However, in Wannstedt's 4-3 I think that Kelsay, Merriman, Edwards and Johnson could be revitalized. iI they are, nobody will care how much money they're making. Bills' current cap figure is $112,950,146. The fact that Thigpen made 3mil last year, and is scheduled to make the same this year.Well,thatleads me to believe he has some pictures that Chan doesn't want his wife to see? If thigpen gets cut I don't think he even stays in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artmalibu Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 Ralf is cheep 7 mill under the cap.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/cap-hit/. Here are some guys whose salaries don't seeme to be commensurate with their production thus far: Kelsay $5.75M Merriman $5.75M D. Edwards $4.175M Sp. Johnson $4M B. Smith $3.75M T. Thigpen $3M C. McIntyre $1.1M T. Troup $942K L. Dotson $700K D. Clowney $700K K. Moore $615K J. Gilbert $615K From that list, there's no way that Thigpen stays for $3M when the Bills now have Young as their #2 QB. Expect him to be waived at some point. I can't believe Kelsay's $5.75M. Merriman's $5.75M and Edwards' $4.175M have been a rip off thus far. Sp. Johnson's $4M and B. Smith's $3.75M are surprises as well. However, in Wannstedt's 4-3 I think that Kelsay, Merriman, Edwards and Johnson could be revitalized. iI they are, nobody will care how much money they're making. Bills' current cap figure is $112,950,146. I WOULDN'T MISS ONE GUY ON THAT LIST...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/cap-hit/. Here are some guys whose salaries don't seeme to be commensurate with their production thus far: Kelsay $5.75M Merriman $5.75M D. Edwards $4.175M Sp. Johnson $4M B. Smith $3.75M T. Thigpen $3M C. McIntyre $1.1M T. Troup $942K L. Dotson $700K D. Clowney $700K K. Moore $615K J. Gilbert $615K From that list, there's no way that Thigpen stays for $3M when the Bills now have Young as their #2 QB. Expect him to be waived at some point. I can't believe Kelsay's $5.75M. Merriman's $5.75M and Edwards' $4.175M have been a rip off thus far. Sp. Johnson's $4M and B. Smith's $3.75M are surprises as well. However, in Wannstedt's 4-3 I think that Kelsay, Merriman, Edwards and Johnson could be revitalized. iI they are, nobody will care how much money they're making. Bills' current cap figure is $112,950,146. Cap goes up, salaries go up. Plus these guys have been around for a while so they're going to make some money. I would say the salaries are on par with the rest of the league but you're correct, there will be some guys released. Just not Kelsay and Merriman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BEAST MODE BABY! Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 (edited) How does Evan count against the cap when he was traded? Did we buy out his remaining contract and then the Ravens signed him to a new one? I don't remember seeing that anywhere. Edited June 11, 2012 by BEAST MODE BABY! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 How does Evan count against the cap when he was traded? Did we buy out his remaining contract and then the Ravens signed him to a new one? I don't remember seeing that anywhere. whatever he got upfront as a signing bonus that was prorated over the life of the contract and had not been fully charged against the cap would be on the bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 Anyone making less than $1mil/year can not count as a "cap" casualty. If they get cut, they just suck. I agree that Thigpen should go, and while it certainly doesnt help his case, I think that regardless of his salary. Other than that, there isnt anyone Im trying to run out of town. Not yet anyways. Im more concerned with performance than money. Let them compete in camp and earn it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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