Johnny Hammersticks Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 1. Michael Floyd - WR Notre Dame 2. Vinny Curry - 4-3 DE Marshall 3. Ronnell Lewis - 4-3 OLB Oklahoma 4a. Jake Bequette - 4-3 DE Arkansas 4b. Emmanuel Acho - 4-3 OLB Texas 5a. Donnie Fletcher - CB Boston College 5b. Jeff Allen - OT Illinois 6. Tommy Streeter - WR Miami 7. Russell Wilson - QB Wisconsin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsCelticsAngelsBama Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 1. Michael Floyd - WR Notre Dame 2. Vinny Curry - 4-3 DE Marshall 3. Ronnell Lewis - 4-3 OLB Oklahoma 4a. Jake Bequette - 4-3 DE Arkansas 4b. Emmanuel Acho - 4-3 OLB Texas 5a. Donnie Fletcher - CB Boston College 5b. Jeff Allen - OT Illinois 6. Tommy Streeter - WR Miami 7. Russell Wilson - QB Wisconsin Not bad. I don't think Fletcher is pro material. We have enough conservative DB's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 I love the first 4 rounds, and Streeter in the 6th! I think that would give us 4-6 real players. Dont know much about Fletcher or Allen, and dont like Wilson at all. But Id take it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 I wouldn't kick that draft out of bed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted March 7, 2012 Author Share Posted March 7, 2012 (edited) I love the first 4 rounds, and Streeter in the 6th! I think that would give us 4-6 real players. Dont know much about Fletcher or Allen, and dont like Wilson at all. But Id take it! Fletcher's a big (6'1" 195), physical DB who shows good coverage skills and has proven to be solid in run support. Scouts criticize his lack of "top end" speed...I believe his best 40 times are in 4.5 range. Scouts think he has good potential though, and many believe he has flown below the radar due to playing on a horrible Boston College defense. He is also know as a good special teams player, as he has excelled as the gunner position on the punt team. Jeff Allen is a decent sized OT prospect that has seen his stock rise since the combine. Some scouts see him coming off the board in the 4th round. He is known to play with great quickness and leverage in pass blocking, is quick off the snap and is good at getting to the 2nd level in run blocking, and has a solid slide kick to defend against speed rushers. He has played both tackle positions, and many scouts think he could fare well at Guard in the NFL. One criticism is his hand placement in fighting off pass rushers, but that (IMO) is something that can be coached up. Edited March 7, 2012 by Johnny Hammersticks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 1. Michael Floyd - WR Notre Dame 2. Vinny Curry - 4-3 DE Marshall 3. Ronnell Lewis - 4-3 OLB Oklahoma 4a. Jake Bequette - 4-3 DE Arkansas 4b. Emmanuel Acho - 4-3 OLB Texas 5a. Donnie Fletcher - CB Boston College 5b. Jeff Allen - OT Illinois 6. Tommy Streeter - WR Miami 7. Russell Wilson - QB Wisconsin Not a huge fan of Floyd, but then I don't really know how his skills compare to what else will be available at 10. But I do like the rest, Curry has a lot of upside, and Russell is intriguing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 1331081303[/url]' post='2397179']1. Michael Floyd - WR Notre Dame 2. Vinny Curry - 4-3 DE Marshall 3. Ronnell Lewis - 4-3 OLB Oklahoma 4a. Jake Bequette - 4-3 DE Arkansas 4b. Emmanuel Acho - 4-3 OLB Texas 5a. Donnie Fletcher - CB Boston College 5b. Jeff Allen - OT Illinois 6. Tommy Streeter - WR Miami 7. Russell Wilson - QB Wisconsin Best draft ever minus Russell Wilson, but I doubt Lewis makes it til round 3, or Bequette makes it til 4. I think both are solid 2nd rounders. Streeter in the 6th is even less doubtful. If it happened I'd be fired up, but it's not believable IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPS Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 My only edit would be to replace the DB and the 2nd olb with at least 1 DT. Say a guy like Mike Martin out of Michigan. Suppose it depends on Torrell Troupe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1B4IDie Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 1. Michael Floyd - WR Notre Dame 2. Vinny Curry - 4-3 DE Marshall 3. Ronnell Lewis - 4-3 OLB Oklahoma 4a. Jake Bequette - 4-3 DE Arkansas 4b. Emmanuel Acho - 4-3 OLB Texas 5a. Donnie Fletcher - CB Boston College 5b. Jeff Allen - OT Illinois 6. Tommy Streeter - WR Miami 7. Russell Wilson - QB Wisconsin I would love that draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddenboy Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 (edited) I wouldn't kick that draft out of bed isnt it "I wouldnt kick her outta bed for eatin' crackers?" Point taken, though. 1. Michael Floyd - WR Notre Dame Jonathan Martin - OT Stanford 2. Vinny Curry - 4-3 DE Marshall 3. Ronnell Lewis - 4-3 OLB Oklahoma 4a. Jake Bequette - 4-3 DE Arkansas 4b. Emmanuel Acho - 4-3 OLB Texas 5a. Donnie Fletcher - CB Boston College 5b. Jeff Allen - OT Illinois 6. Tommy Streeter - WR Miami 7. Russell Wilson - QB Wisconsin Are you saying what you want, or what you think will happen? I made this change because Gailey/Nix dont bluff and they have said they are going OT most likely. The only Pain Gailey/Nix got time for is the pain they put on people who think they bluff about their draft plans. Edited March 7, 2012 by maddenboy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted March 7, 2012 Author Share Posted March 7, 2012 My only edit would be to replace the DB and the 2nd olb with at least 1 DT. Say a guy like Mike Martin out of Michigan. Suppose it depends on Torrell Troupe. I was actually thinking about this....for the reason you gave, but also the uncertainty of Kyle Williams coming off a major surgery. Are you saying what you want, or what you think will happen? I made this change because Gailey/Nix dont bluff and they have said they are going OT most likely. The only Pain Gailey/Nix got time for is the pain they put on people who think they bluff about their draft plans. I'm just throwing together some draft picks based on my perceived team needs, as well as, some players I'd like to see in a Bills uniform next season. I have yet to read or hear anything from Buddy or Chan that leads me to believe that they are "most likely" going OT with #10. I have heard Buddy comment, however, on not reaching for a pass rusher with the #10 pick because he thinks he can get value in other rounds. To me that means best player available....that could be OT, WR, or CB IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddenboy Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 (edited) I was actually thinking about this....for the reason you gave, but also the uncertainty of Kyle Williams coming off a major surgery. I'm just throwing together some draft picks based on my perceived team needs, as well as, some players I'd like to see in a Bills uniform next season. I have yet to read or hear anything from Buddy or Chan that leads me to believe that they are "most likely" going OT with #10. I have heard Buddy comment, however, on not reaching for a pass rusher with the #10 pick because he thinks he can get value in other rounds. To me that means best player available....that could be OT, WR, or CB IMO. http://www.buffalobills.com/media-center/videos/Buddy-Nix-on-Left-Tackle-Situation/06a6ea56-5f3a-438c-aa5b-abfa58186b2a Scroll to 1:40. "We gone draft a tackle, . . . if there's one there . . . you caint never have too many tackles." In context, he started by talking about how Pears is a right tackle. Bell has "tools" but is injury prone. Of course this doesnt mean first round, but Nix has already said he doesnt think the top of the draft is deep with DE/pass rushers and he will not reach. He also has said that you draft pass rushers early, and receivers are found later in the draft. Just sayin. After this interview I prepared myself to have a LT in the ten hole (even though my signature is all about pass rush). And i'm at peace with it now. Prepare thyselves. Edited March 7, 2012 by maddenboy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 1. Michael Floyd - WR Notre Dame 2. Vinny Curry - 4-3 DE Marshall 3. Ronnell Lewis - 4-3 OLB Oklahoma 4a. Jake Bequette - 4-3 DE Arkansas 4b. Emmanuel Acho - 4-3 OLB Texas 5a. Donnie Fletcher - CB Boston College 5b. Jeff Allen - OT Illinois 6. Tommy Streeter - WR Miami 7. Russell Wilson - QB Wisconsin very good Johnny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 (edited) 1. Michael Floyd - WR Notre Dame 2. Vinny Curry - 4-3 DE Marshall 3. Ronnell Lewis - 4-3 OLB Oklahoma 4a. Jake Bequette - 4-3 DE Arkansas 4b. Emmanuel Acho - 4-3 OLB Texas 5a. Donnie Fletcher - CB Boston College 5b. Jeff Allen - OT Illinois 6. Tommy Streeter - WR Miami 7. Russell Wilson - QB Wisconsin Meh, I could live with this draft. Although I'd probably take OT Nate Potter at 5a. -Not crazy about the Streeter kid. I could definitely see Acho working out for us though. Not bad. Edited March 7, 2012 by #34fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missthe kgun Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 1. Michael Floyd - WR Notre Dame 2. Vinny Curry - 4-3 DE Marshall 3. Ronnell Lewis - 4-3 OLB Oklahoma 4a. Jake Bequette - 4-3 DE Arkansas 4b. Emmanuel Acho - 4-3 OLB Texas 5a. Donnie Fletcher - CB Boston College 5b. Jeff Allen - OT Illinois 6. Tommy Streeter - WR Miami 7. Russell Wilson - QB Wisconsin I would like to see stephen Hill up there somewhere between 3-6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted March 7, 2012 Author Share Posted March 7, 2012 I would like to see stephen Hill up there somewhere between 3-6 If he's available in round 6....you can have him instead of Streeter. I'll get on the horn with Buddy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 (edited) I am sorry i just do not see Buddy taking a WR from ND in the first. It may happen, but he knows and loves the south. He will get his WR in the later rounds from a school below the Mason Dixon line. Edited March 7, 2012 by atlbillsfan1975 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 Not a fan of Michael Floyd in the 1st round. My personal belief is not to take a WR or RB in the 1st unless it's a generational talent like Calvin Johnson. I just think you can get good value at those two positions throughout the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPS Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 Not a fan of Michael Floyd in the 1st round. My personal belief is not to take a WR or RB in the 1st unless it's a generational talent like Calvin Johnson. I just think you can get good value at those two positions throughout the draft. Agreed. WRs touch the ball 6-8 times a game....maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwksilver Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 (edited) Not a fan of Michael Floyd in the 1st round. My personal belief is not to take a WR or RB in the 1st unless it's a generational talent like Calvin Johnson. I just think you can get good value at those two positions throughout the draft. Plus this kid has a bit of a drinking issue. If he can't control it when he needs to when he's in college how well will he do with millions in his bank account. I think he slides because of this. Talent alone would put him in the top 10. Edited March 7, 2012 by qwksilver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billieve420 Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 (edited) Who is Johnny Hammerstick? I only pay attention to mock drafts from people who get paid to waste their time writing them. JK actually pretty good mock draft I could live with most of it. I think Vinny Curry may slide some due his combine and slow 40. I am hoping someone like Mercilus or Branch with a little more speed on the edge are available when we pick in the 2nd round. Edited March 7, 2012 by billieve420 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted March 7, 2012 Author Share Posted March 7, 2012 Not a fan of Michael Floyd in the 1st round. My personal belief is not to take a WR or RB in the 1st unless it's a generational talent like Calvin Johnson. I just think you can get good value at those two positions throughout the draft. I think perhaps you are underestimating the talent level of Michael Floyd. He isn't a "generational talent" like Calvin Johnson, but he may be the best overall WR in this, very talented, draft class. He's fast (4.41 40), big (6'3 220), physical, has great hands, is a good blocker, and is a good route runner. He is bigger, faster, and a more complete WR than Dez Bryant. IMO, (and some draft scouts believe this also) he may prove to be more talented than Justin Blackmon. Drafting Floyd at #10 gives us an extremely talented, young WR corps for the next 5-6 years (at least). I'll bet that Floyd would have more of an impact than any offensive tackle available at the #10 slot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
You herd it hear last Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 I wouldn't kick that draft out of bed that, my friend, would have to be one. big. bed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 I think perhaps you are underestimating the talent level of Michael Floyd. He isn't a "generational talent" like Calvin Johnson, but he may be the best overall WR in this, very talented, draft class. He's fast (4.41 40), big (6'3 220), physical, has great hands, is a good blocker, and is a good route runner. He is bigger, faster, and a more complete WR than Dez Bryant. IMO, (and some draft scouts believe this also) he may prove to be more talented than Justin Blackmon. Drafting Floyd at #10 gives us an extremely talented, young WR corps for the next 5-6 years (at least). I'll bet that Floyd would have more of an impact than any offensive tackle available at the #10 slot. who is your LT for the Bills in 2012? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted March 7, 2012 Author Share Posted March 7, 2012 (edited) who is your LT for the Bills in 2012? Bell if he is re-signed....if not Hairston. Draft OT depth in the latter rounds. What's so difficult to comprehend? Most folks on here think we have a gaping hole at LT....I just don't get it. Edited March 7, 2012 by Johnny Hammersticks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsCelticsAngelsBama Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 (edited) I think perhaps you are underestimating the talent level of Michael Floyd. He isn't a "generational talent" like Calvin Johnson, but he may be the best overall WR in this, very talented, draft class. He's fast (4.41 40), big (6'3 220), physical, has great hands, is a good blocker, and is a good route runner. He is bigger, faster, and a more complete WR than Dez Bryant. IMO, (and some draft scouts believe this also) he may prove to be more talented than Justin Blackmon. Drafting Floyd at #10 gives us an extremely talented, young WR corps for the next 5-6 years (at least). I'll bet that Floyd would have more of an impact than any offensive tackle available at the #10 slot. What scouts ? Nothing against Floyd but Blackmon is HOF material. Can you say Michael Irvin. I would like to meet any scout that thinks Michael Floyd is more talented than Blackmon. Let's not get silly here ? Edited March 8, 2012 by MOVALLEYRANDY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 I think perhaps you are underestimating the talent level of Michael Floyd. He isn't a "generational talent" like Calvin Johnson, but he may be the best overall WR in this, very talented, draft class. He's fast (4.41 40), big (6'3 220), physical, has great hands, is a good blocker, and is a good route runner. He is bigger, faster, and a more complete WR than Dez Bryant. IMO, (and some draft scouts believe this also) he may prove to be more talented than Justin Blackmon. Drafting Floyd at #10 gives us an extremely talented, young WR corps for the next 5-6 years (at least). I'll bet that Floyd would have more of an impact than any offensive tackle available at the #10 slot. To the bolded above, I would say that Dez Bryant has been a huge disappointment so far… and even though we've only seen some glimpses of what CJ Spiller can do I'm very glad we chose Spiller over Bryant. But I digress. Saying that Floyd is a better prospect than Dez Bryant doesn't impress me at all. Now if Floyd was as good as AJ Green I'd have to consider him a good pick although I don't believe AJ Green had any character concerns where Floyd certainly does. So your first round selection is my biggest objection to your mock draft. The rest of it is pretty good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenmohawk Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 Floyd looks like a star and says his problem party days are over, he has grown up.. He is a guy that will go get the ball and push the defender to the ground. Vin Curry looks real average to me, at the senior bowl he looked like just a guy. The Linebackers could be sweet, it would be great if the Bills could get at least one of these guys. 7th round I'd take the flame thrower from SDSU Lindley, I've seen this guy make some incredible throws. Maybe a center thrown in the mix, just in case. Knock on wood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 Bell if he is re-signed....if not Hairston. Draft OT depth in the latter rounds. What's so difficult to comprehend? Most folks on here think we have a gaping hole at LT....I just don't get it. Bell is not coming back. Hairston looked ok, but he too was injuried some. WR is a luxury pick for a team in the first round. Unless he is a Cavin Johnson. Sorry, but remember Detroit taking Wr after Wr in the top ten, how did that work out for them?? Floyd only got on everyones radar after the combine. This alone scares me. He was seen as maybe a first rounder before the combine...but because how he ran and jumped in his underwear, he has vaulted up the board. No thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPS Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 Floyd looks like a star and says his problem party days are over, he has grown up.. He is a guy that will go get the ball and push the defender to the ground. Vin Curry looks real average to me, at the senior bowl he looked like just a guy. The Linebackers could be sweet, it would be great if the Bills could get at least one of these guys. 7th round I'd take the flame thrower from SDSU Lindley, I've seen this guy make some incredible throws. Maybe a center thrown in the mix, just in case. Knock on wood. Great point. They should draft a center in case Wood cant't shake this injury streak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted March 8, 2012 Author Share Posted March 8, 2012 Bell is not coming back. Hairston looked ok, but he too was injuried some. WR is a luxury pick for a team in the first round. Unless he is a Cavin Johnson. Sorry, but remember Detroit taking Wr after Wr in the top ten, how did that work out for them?? Floyd only got on everyones radar after the combine. This alone scares me. He was seen as maybe a first rounder before the combine...but because how he ran and jumped in his underwear, he has vaulted up the board. No thanks. I've been seeing mock drafts since December that had Floyd going to the Bills at #10. He's been projected as a first round pick since his junior year, and a top 15 pick for much of his senior season. His performance at the combine merely solidified his draft standing. Essentially, with his 40 time, he proved to teams that he is much more than a "possession receiver." Guys who are 6'3' 225 and can run the 40 in 4.42 don't grow on trees my friend. Trust me, the Bills will regret passing up on this kid. Besides, Fitz gets rid of the ball in 2.75 seconds, so why spend such a high draft pick on a tackle? I apologize in advance for the music in this clip....sounds like a cat strangling contest. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9u9htfFUDjo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TC in St. Louis Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 I think Russell Wilson would be a great pick in the 5th, let alone the 7th. He did a great job in one year at Wisconsin. He's got a great arm, and he is an awesome athlete. I don't know why anybody would criticize taking him in the 7th round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1B4IDie Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 (edited) I've been seeing mock drafts since December that had Floyd going to the Bills at #10. He's been projected as a first round pick since his junior year, and a top 15 pick for much of his senior season. His performance at the combine merely solidified his draft standing. Essentially, with his 40 time, he proved to teams that he is much more than a "possession receiver." Guys who are 6'3' 225 and can run the 40 in 4.42 don't grow on trees my friend. Trust me, the Bills will regret passing up on this kid. Besides, Fitz gets rid of the ball in 2.75 seconds, so why spend such a high draft pick on a tackle? I apologize in advance for the music in this clip....sounds like a cat strangling contest. youtube.com/watch?v=9u9htfFUDjo The guy out combined AJ Green. and has a great resume in Nortre Dame. If he didn't have the DUI issues he would be a concusses Top5 pick. This talent doesn't grow on trees. If this pick happened. Everyone on this board would whine and moan about a pass rush but by Week 3 2013 most of the Stadium would be wearing Floyd jerseys. He is a freak, if he can keep his drinking in check. Almost getting kicked out of school might have opened up his eyes. Its up to Nix an GMs around the NFL to make that determination. Talent wise, if he is there at #10, he would be hand down the Best Player Available. Wouldn't even be a close second place. Edited March 8, 2012 by Why So Serious? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 Man, on a tangent here, but I remember seeing Wilson (Wisc.) previously as high as a 4th rounder on some boards. ...then to 5th. ...6th. Now 7th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted March 8, 2012 Author Share Posted March 8, 2012 What scouts ? Nothing against Floyd but Blackmon is HOF material. Can you say Michael Irvin. I would like to meet any scout that thinks Michael Floyd is more talented than Blackmon. Let's not get silly here ? Let's not get silly here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1B4IDie Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 Man, on a tangent here, but I remember seeing Wilson (Wisc.) previously as high as a 4th rounder on some boards. ...then to 5th. ...6th. Now 7th. Which ties directly to people assuming he was 6'2' then finding out he was listed at 6'0" then measuring 5'11". What scouts ? Nothing against Floyd but Blackmon is HOF material. Can you say Michael Irvin. I would like to meet any scout that thinks Michael Floyd is more talented than Blackmon. Let's not get silly here ? I think you're being sarcastic but I'll bite anyway . . . You may not have heard that Blackmon measured 6'0" at the combine. I've been saying all along he is more Michael Crabtree than Andre Johnson. Michael Crabtree was the most dominating college Football WR at the time. The lack of height is proving to prevent that type of dominance in the NFL. Don't get me wrong Crabtree and Blackmon are talented but not the "uncovered when they're covered type of receiver" the BiLls and I want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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