DrDawkinstein Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 I'm definitely on board with you but if they picked another pass rusher (Ingram maybe?), I won't complain either. I want to absolutely be housing QBs this year. I've seen too many games of Brady and Sanchez getting mani and pedis behind their olines. Agreed. Lets face it, between Merriman, Kelsay and even Anderson, the other DE spot needs to be upgraded/replaced soon. I've always said that Upshaw reminds me of a Abraham/Merriman hybrid. He was always my first pick from way back. Wouldnt mind if we ended up with him or Ingram. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 (edited) Agreed. Lets face it, between Merriman, Kelsay and even Anderson, the other DE spot needs to be upgraded/replaced soon. I've always said that Upshaw reminds me of a Abraham/Merriman hybrid. He was always my first pick from way back. Wouldnt mind if we ended up with him or Ingram. I hate putting too much emphasis on offseason stuff and the combine but it changed my opinion on Upshaw. I loved him before Mario and all that jazz. But he has short arms and doesn't have an explosive 1st step they say you need to be a great NFL pass rusher. Still, he was a great producer in the SEC. I'm more in the Ingram camp now because of his ability to line up anywhere. Edited March 22, 2012 by C.Biscuit97 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 (edited) Our LBs DO NOT rush the passer, just the DL. Ramius is right and I agree 1000%. At least half of the snaps will be in nickle or dime. OUr DL is set, if you want to continue to rebuild the D more and make it even stronger, then CB is the pick. McKelvin is a weaker link that Barnett, Morrision and Sheppard. McGee doesn't last an entire year (hence him restructuring his contract). You will see 4-1-6, 4-2-6 and maybe even 5-1-5. Yes 4-3-4 is our base D, but in half the plays at least 1 of our LBs heads to the bench. Oh yeah, just one more time. Our LBs DO NOT rush the passer :wallbash: I am not sure what you mean in this post at all. It is all over the place. My emphasis was ENTIRELY on the fact that Kuechly plays superior pass defense. Not one mention of him rushing the passer. And EVERY other post I've made on the subject in this and other threads suggests the Bills will seek to generate pressure from their front four ONLY, allowing them to drop seven in coverage and being able to double multiple receivers. Having a superior coverage MLB in ANY nickel or dime package, ESPECIALLY on first down, is an advantage for the defense. Don't get a headache bashing your head against the wall in responses to posts that have nothing to do with why you're doing that head bashing in the first place. Oh, and for the record, I'm all for taking BPA and if that's a CB I'm just fine with it. But our CBs got a helluva lot better with the new pass rush we just signed. GO BILLS!!! Edited March 22, 2012 by K-9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsrhody Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 Can anyone name the Giants' starting LB's? Do you remember the great interception that Chase Blackburn had over Gronkowski in the super bowl? He isn't exactly a household name and I doubt too many people know who he is... but it doesnt hurt to have talent at every position Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 Do you remember the great interception that Chase Blackburn had over Gronkowski in the super bowl? He isn't exactly a household name and I doubt too many people know who he is... but it doesnt hurt to have talent at every position I agree. But you can only fix so many holes. If Kuechly can cover Gronk, I'd take him at 10. Otherwise the Bills have needs at other positions they should fill first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meark Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 I'm down.. in fact I hope we pick a LB first.. Either Ingram or Kuechly.. I'd also be ok with a WR or CB at #1.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 The reason there is a strong de-emphasis on LBs over the past couple years is because 90% of them cannot cover. Keuchly can, and can cover well. I am hoping for a different direction in the draft as I really want a LT or Floyd #1, but I would really have no problem with Luke. He's surely a Nix/Gailey kind of player, and has a chance at being a true star. That is the main reason I am looking at Floyd more and more. He serves a distinct purpose AND has a legitimate chance of being a true star player in this league. I want a guy like Martin at LT because we need talent and stability there, but I don't look at him as having a really good shot at being a star and stud, just a solid 10 year pro at a huge position. Teams win with a few star players surrounded by a few very good players and a boatload of good and role players. Keuchly has a decent chance at being a star, as does Floyd. We have one star in Mario, with Fred and Dareus and Kyle and maybe Stevie being close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 I am not sure what you mean in this post at all. It is all over the place. My emphasis was ENTIRELY on the fact that Kuechly plays superior pass defense. Not one mention of him rushing the passer. And EVERY other post I've made on the subject in this and other threads suggests the Bills will seek to generate pressure from their front four ONLY, allowing them to drop seven in coverage and being able to double multiple receivers. Having a superior coverage MLB in ANY nickel or dime package, ESPECIALLY on first down, is an advantage for the defense. Don't get a headache bashing your head against the wall in responses to posts that have nothing to do with why you're doing that head bashing in the first place. Oh, and for the record, I'm all for taking BPA and if that's a CB I'm just fine with it. But our CBs got a helluva lot better with the new pass rush we just signed. GO BILLS!!! I apologize K-9, my bad . At the post above mine I was rushing the passer and for some reason I was looking at that as I was typing. I also had anotehr tab open and was replying in that one. I feel that I may have mixed a few up Anyways,there have been lots of posts in different threads talking about how we need to draft another LB or another 6 LBs because ours all suck. Or the posts that say xxx LB is a great pass rusher, he would be a beast. I am just sick of seeing the draft an LB at 10 as well. I love good fast big hard hitting LBs as much as the next guy, but we have way bigger holes to fill. I think my response was just irritation reading countless threads and comments on us needing LBs. Again my apologies! For the record, I want Floyd or a CB in rd 1 and we need a LT somewhere in the first 3... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 The reason there is a strong de-emphasis on LBs over the past couple years is because 90% of them cannot cover. Keuchly can, and can cover well. I am hoping for a different direction in the draft as I really want a LT or Floyd #1, but I would really have no problem with Luke. He's surely a Nix/Gailey kind of player, and has a chance at being a true star. That is the main reason I am looking at Floyd more and more. He serves a distinct purpose AND has a legitimate chance of being a true star player in this league. I want a guy like Martin at LT because we need talent and stability there, but I don't look at him as having a really good shot at being a star and stud, just a solid 10 year pro at a huge position. Teams win with a few star players surrounded by a few very good players and a boatload of good and role players. Keuchly has a decent chance at being a star, as does Floyd. We have one star in Mario, with Fred and Dareus and Kyle and maybe Stevie being close. If Kuechly can cover, I'd take him and take my chances with Easley or Aiken being the #2 and Hairston being the LT. Or perhaps address these in later rounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 I apologize K-9, my bad . At the post above mine I was rushing the passer and for some reason I was looking at that as I was typing. I also had anotehr tab open and was replying in that one. I feel that I may have mixed a few up Anyways,there have been lots of posts in different threads talking about how we need to draft another LB or another 6 LBs because ours all suck. Or the posts that say xxx LB is a great pass rusher, he would be a beast. I am just sick of seeing the draft an LB at 10 as well. I love good fast big hard hitting LBs as much as the next guy, but we have way bigger holes to fill. I think my response was just irritation reading countless threads and comments on us needing LBs. Again my apologies! For the record, I want Floyd or a CB in rd 1 and we need a LT somewhere in the first 3... No worries, Mr. Reed83. I'm all about BPA, regardless. We need playmakers and like a I've said a million times here, playmaker is ALWAYS a position of need. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 No worries, Mr. Reed83. I'm all about BPA, regardless. We need playmakers and like a I've said a million times here, playmaker is ALWAYS a position of need. GO BILLS!!! We need Playmakers. I think our D is solid, a few places we could improve on; but I see our offense as needing some top draft help this year. We can't have the 3 and outs or the 3rd and longs; the our D goes right back on the field - wearing down and getting tired. That is where the injuries jump up and get us - way too much exposure. I would love a few playmakers to help the O stay on the field and put up points and ride with what we have on D, with the exception of CB. Next season we plug any shortcomings at LB, besides they are cheaper in FA than LTs, WRs and CBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 Kuechly has excellent coverage skills. Move him or Shep to SAM and we have a decent set of LBs. I love Barnett and I think Shep will turn into a solid player, but I don't think he's the anchor of our linebacking corps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 Wow. I'm impressed you didn't go with the white LB has to be compared to the white LB like all black QB have to be compare to black QBs. Kudos, but is he really that type of prospect? Because that's definitely a pick I could get behind if Floyd is gone. The substitute teacher guy. But I do generally agree. LBs are the rbs of the defense. The better the line is in front of them, the better they are. If a line is good enough, they are almost interchangable. No Keuchly is not a Ray Lewis kind of player. Stylistically they could hardly be more different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocwocka Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 Everyone is talking about BPA when it comes time to pick at #10. Assuming we don't trade down and Luke Kuechly is BPA, what stops us from drafting him and plugging him in at strong side linebacker? I've watched a ton of football and would guess from his combine numbers and college footage that he has the wheels to play in space and cover/blitz... He would also be great insurance for the middle linebacker position in the event that Sheppard goes down, or just can't cover in a 4-3 D (Sheppard will have to cover more ground in this D). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FluffHead Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 He would be a great pick. We only have 3 Lbs that i would be comfortable having on the field. Those are NB KS and Morrison. You can bank on at least one of those getting hurt. Kuechly can play all 3 lb positions. I honestly think its going to come down to Floyd vs kuechly. Id be happy with either player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deep2evans Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 he's my guy if floyd is gone. kid is gunna be a stud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBuffaloBills Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 After having a very solid proday, let's hope he's going to be there at 10. He's visiting the Panthers,(They could use all sorts of help on D) who hold the 9th pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 I'm not trying to be a prick, but there is another thread that's a few pages long on this topic. I'd recommend reading it because I thought the discussion was pretty good. In short, nothing stops us. His measurables allow him to play sam or mike in a 4-3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted March 23, 2012 Author Share Posted March 23, 2012 Everyone is talking about BPA when it comes time to pick at #10. Assuming we don't trade down and Luke Kuechly is BPA, what stops us from drafting him and plugging him in at strong side linebacker? I've watched a ton of football and would guess from his combine numbers and college footage that he has the wheels to play in space and cover/blitz... He would also be great insurance for the middle linebacker position in the event that Sheppard goes down, or just can't cover in a 4-3 D (Sheppard will have to cover more ground in this D). He definitely could be the pick as he has the wheels and instincts to cover and make plays ,my only knock o him is he is not a killer, just a pull down tackler often down field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geno Smith's Arm Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 He definitely could be the pick as he has the wheels and instincts to cover and make plays ,my only knock o him is he is not a killer, just a pull down tackler often down field. I agree that he is often making tackles down field. But you can see that the team around him is just terrible, and the line in front of him is just getting blown off the ball. He seems a pretty sure tackler, and with a better line he would probably be able to move forward, and meet the runner sooner. I will be disappointed if he is the 10th pick, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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