1billsfan Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 they need to take the tackle from standford if he is still there or even matt kahil if he is still there for some reason. i dont think bell is going to come back and harriston did decent last year but the bills need a sure thing at left tackle and that is one position that hurt them last year. levitrie is more of a guard so he cant really move out, only if there are injuries he should move out there other than that him and wood will lock down the middle of the o-line and we got a decent right tackle now all they need to do is sure up that left tackle spot and the o-line will be fine. if it comes down to it they need to take quition coaples from north carolina. I think the Bills must take BPA with the #10 pick. Kuechly is viewed as the 7th best player in the draft here... http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/scouting_department.html Claiborne, DeCastro or Kuechly. These are three "pro bowl" type players where as a guy like Martin isn't viewed in the same manner. If he were, he'd certainly be considered a top five pick. FWIW, Jonathan Martin is ranked as the 62nd player on this site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsCelticsAngelsBama Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 4 page thread on Marvin McNutt and Mr. Kuechly gets nothing?...LOL Didn't want to, but I had to bump. This defense would be downright nasty if Williams comes here and we drafted Kuechly. In Dareus, the Bills made up for not drafting Ngata, In Kuechly, the Bills would make up for being robbed of Patrick Willis by San Fran one pick ahead of us. you already giving up on that 5th round talent who we took in the 3rd last year ?? How dare you ? Would be interesting pick. Much better player than the stiff we took from Penn St. a few years back in the second round (POZ) 4 page thread on Marvin McNutt and Mr. Kuechly gets nothing?...LOL Didn't want to, but I had to bump. This defense would be downright nasty if Williams comes here and we drafted Kuechly. In Dareus, the Bills made up for not drafting Ngata, In Kuechly, the Bills would make up for being robbed of Patrick Willis by San Fran one pick ahead of us. That is kinda funny. McNutt may be about the 20-25 best receiver in the draft and your boy isn't talk about in a positive manner much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1billsfan Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 (edited) you already giving up on that 5th round talent who we took in the 3rd last year ?? How dare you ? Would be interesting pick. Much better player than the stiff we took from Penn St. a few years back in the second round (POZ) LOL, yeah I guess I am. As much as people say they want BPA, this guy actually looks like a BPA who's slotted to go to Philly in most mock drafts. If he does go at #15, I have a feeling the Eagles will look like they got the steal of the draft by mid season. If we get Mario Williams, I'll be pushing for the Bills to pick Kuechly. The Stach needs his Kenny Norton! Edited March 14, 2012 by 1billsfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 I wouldn't hate it. He would be a significant addition for sure. I just think that taking him really wastes last years 3rd round pick. I think Luke will be a much better pro than sheppard, but I think the talent gap between Martin and Hairston (at LT) is much greater than Luke and sheppard. I don't hope this is the case, but if Barnett, sheppard and Morrison were our starting LBs behind Mario, Kyle and marcel, I think they would be adequate. If they had a game changer at LB, it would definitely help, but I really about not resigning bell, and having Hairston and pears as starters without any quality backups. I'm assuming we'd draft a LT later on, we'd just have today the guy could step in and play of needed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EldaBillsFan Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 Reminds me of Ray Lewis....he stays around the ball and isn't afraid to be vocal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1billsfan Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 Reminds me of Ray Lewis....he stays around the ball and isn't afraid to be vocal Exactly. I think this board will eventually come around on picking this guy at #10. This guy is a very good and nasty ILB. We're talking about Lewis, Willis, Urlacher level of good and nasty. If they pass on him for someone like Martin who's clearly not as talented at his position as Kuechly is at his, then it would be a huge mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 Reminds me of Ray Lewis....he stays around the ball and isn't afraid to be vocal I agree that the Bills' must find a very good player, regardless of position, and avoid "reaching" for a lesser player at a position of need. Mario Williams is as good as gone when he leaves Buffalo tonight, so don't factor that into this discussion. The comparison of a maxed-out 242 pound Kuechly to the monster Ray Lewis is silly, IMHO. I am a long-time draft fanatic, but not a scout - but I see Kuechly as more Poz/Shane Conlan than once-a generation Ray Lewis. Besides, how much of an upgrade would Kuechly be over Kelvin Sheppard. He would have to be considered a MAJOR upgrade over Sheppard for me to consider him at 10 in this draft, especially considering that he wouldn't help the pass rush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1billsfan Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 I agree that the Bills' must find a very good player, regardless of position, and avoid "reaching" for a lesser player at a position of need. Mario Williams is as good as gone when he leaves Buffalo tonight, so don't factor that into this discussion. The comparison of a maxed-out 242 pound Kuechly to the monster Ray Lewis is silly, IMHO. I am a long-time draft fanatic, but not a scout - but I see Kuechly as more Poz/Shane Conlan than once-a generation Ray Lewis. Besides, how much of an upgrade would Kuechly be over Kelvin Sheppard. He would have to be considered a MAJOR upgrade over Sheppard for me to consider him at 10 in this draft, especially considering that he wouldn't help the pass rush. Why? He's two inches taller and only three pounds lighter than Ray Lewis... http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/luke-kuechly?id=2533056 At 6'3" you'd think he'd easily be able to add at least 10 pounds to his playing weight. He seems like a very intense guy, I like that in a ILB. I just don't see the "Poz" factor. He seems to play like a big guy, just like Ray Lewis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 Why? He's two inches taller and only three pounds lighter than Ray Lewis... http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/luke-kuechly?id=2533056 At 6'3" you'd think he'd easily be able to add at least 10 pounds to his playing weight. He seems like a very intense guy, I like that in a ILB. I just don't see the "Poz" factor. He seems to play like a big guy, just like Ray Lewis. From the link that you provided: WEAKNESSES The major knock on Kuechly is that he had a lot of "inflated" tackle production throughout his career, the idea being that he is indeed a superb tackler but most of those tackles came 5 to 8 yards downfield in pursuit. He didn't get up into the line of scrimmage to make powerful, impactful plays much, and won't be relied upon as a pass rusher at the next level and is strictly a tackling, sideline-to-sideline backer. The down-field production was the BIG knock on Poz. I don't care what their listed weights are, look at Ray Lewis' thick monster build and look at Kuechly. I think there is a big difference. Lewis is an INTIMIDATOR, Kuechly doesn't seem to be that based on what I've read, seen, heard. Now, I am not saying that Kuechly isn't a very good player. I think he probably is, and I think that Poz was unfairly criticized here and is better than he got credit for. However, I think Ray Lewis is probably the best LB in the last 30 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 (edited) if we get mario, i would definitely have no problem getting kuechly at 10 if he's still there. it's not like we're exactly "loaded" at LB anyway. if mario screws us, then i'd be more inclined to go with pass-rushing DL at 10 Edited March 15, 2012 by bobobonators Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 What little video I've watched of him he doesn't appear to be a very physical player. Also as discussed in an earlier Keuchly thread, the consensus here was that you simply don't take an ILB that highly in the draft. That discussion mentioned Patrick Willis, AJ Hawk… surprised this wasn't merged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobChalmers Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 I agree that the Bills' must find a very good player, regardless of position, and avoid "reaching" for a lesser player at a position of need. Mario Williams is as good as gone when he leaves Buffalo tonight, so don't factor that into this discussion. The comparison of a maxed-out 242 pound Kuechly to the monster Ray Lewis is silly, IMHO. I am a long-time draft fanatic, but not a scout - but I see Kuechly as more Poz/Shane Conlan than once-a generation Ray Lewis. Besides, how much of an upgrade would Kuechly be over Kelvin Sheppard. He would have to be considered a MAJOR upgrade over Sheppard for me to consider him at 10 in this draft, especially considering that he wouldn't help the pass rush. Oops - except he isn't leaving Buffalo tonight. Mind you, they still may (probably?) not get him. I tend to think you can't use your 1st rounder for need, but you're right we sure do need pass rush. W/O Mario, theyre going to have to get lucky/smart with their picks past round 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 What little video I've watched of him he doesn't appear to be a very physical player. Also as discussed in an earlier Keuchly thread, the consensus here was that you simply don't take an ILB that highly in the draft. That discussion mentioned Patrick Willis, AJ Hawk… surprised this wasn't merged. ILB position is critical on a 4-3D..as opposed to 3-4. so if there's an elite talent, like kuechly, at 10..i personally wouldn't consider it much of a reach at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 ILB position is critical on a 4-3D..as opposed to 3-4. so if there's an elite talent, like kuechly, at 10..i personally wouldn't consider it much of a reach at all. Hmmm, well in the 4-3 you have a MLB and it does seem the Bills are committed (for better or worse) to Sheppard. I've watched about 100 plays of Keuchly. With his athleticism, he could play outside undoubtedly. Personally I like Bruce Irvin and Zach Brown more than I like Keuchly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 I wouldn't hate it. He would be a significant addition for sure. I just think that taking him really wastes last years 3rd round pick. I think Luke will be a much better pro than sheppard, but I think the talent gap between Martin and Hairston (at LT) is much greater than Luke and sheppard. I don't hope this is the case, but if Barnett, sheppard and Morrison were our starting LBs behind Mario, Kyle and marcel, I think they would be adequate. If they had a game changer at LB, it would definitely help, but I really about not resigning bell, and having Hairston and pears as starters without any quality backups. I'm assuming we'd draft a LT later on, we'd just have today the guy could step in and play of needed That would be great but Wanny said in an interview that the front 4 has to make a difference & i got to thinking what if b/c we already have a ILB we took last year if they went with ... Coples -- K . Williams -- Dareus -- M . Williams WOW !!that would be a front 4 that would make a difference !! Then add another LB in the second like D Hightower -- man that would be a front 4 that would make teams like the Pats stand up & take notice !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geno Smith's Arm Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 I hadn't considered Kuechly before. Now I think SSLB is the weakest link on the defense, and he would fit the Bill. A guy that can cover TE's and has great instincts could really solidify the defense. If the pass rush improves as much as we all expect with the addition of MW, teams are gonna be running a lot of short passing routes. Linebacker territory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjmac Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 I don't see a LB at #10. We've got our three starters, so I believe that we'll pick somebody that really has a chance to start sometime this season (barring injury). WR is looking like it's possible. OT, maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thirdborn Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 That pick would scare the hell out of the rest of the division ....I've been checking their boards, and I've seen more than one post that references what a moster D we'd have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geno Smith's Arm Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 I don't see a LB at #10. We've got our three starters, so I believe that we'll pick somebody that really has a chance to start sometime this season (barring injury). WR is looking like it's possible. OT, maybe. Of the of the LB's, the only one that is good is Barnett. Sheppard is unproven, and Morrison is a journeyman. I know what the team needs are, but reaching for a WR or LT is a mistake. I don't think any of the WR that are expected to still be on the board are worthy of the 10th pick (and rookie WR's don't often have an immediate impact), and I don't know what LT will be there at 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Rev.Mattb74 ESQ. Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 I would rather get Hightower because he can play strong side lb in a 4-3 I would rather get Hightower because he can play strong side lb in a 4-3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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