UFO Found on Ocean Floor?

[4merper4mer]

8 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:

Billion of planets out there and JUST this speck of duct has life? 

 

the odds that intelligent life doesn't exist - come on man

 

People believe in Yeti, Bigfoot, Chupacabra, Nessie, Kraken, Skunk ape, Jersey Devil, Mothman and a score of more creatures.. but Aliens from a different planet ... 

 

 

And then there are the Mormons and  Kolob 

Mormon cosmology teaches that the Earth is not unique, but that it is one of many inhabited planets, each planet created for the purpose of bringing about the "immortality and eternal life

Except math.

 

Accept math.

[Warcodered]

1 hour ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:

Billion of planets out there and JUST this speck of duct has life? 

 

the odds that intelligent life doesn't exist - come on man

 

People believe in Yeti, Bigfoot, Chupacabra, Nessie, Kraken, Skunk ape, Jersey Devil, Mothman and a score of more creatures.. but Aliens from a different planet ... 

 

 

And then there are the Mormons and  Kolob 

Mormon cosmology teaches that the Earth is not unique, but that it is one of many inhabited planets, each planet created for the purpose of bringing about the "immortality and eternal life

Billions of planets doesn't do it justice there are over a hundred billion stars in our galaxy and their are at least over a hundred billion galaxies in the known universe. The Universe is ***** mind breakingly huge.

 

1 hour ago, 4merper4mer said:

Except math.

 

Accept math.

You've never adequately explained your math. And now you're saying we've already exhaustively searched to the point that the answer seems apparent? I showed you that the distance our own signals have traveled is only a tiny speck in our own galaxy. And even assuming we were looking for the signals the entire time we've been sending them that's what at best a hundred years. Within the massive time span of the universe that's enough to indicate we're alone in the universe? At best all that might prove is that nobody within that same speck has been sending signals we detect within that hundred years.

Edited January 8, 2020 by Warcodered

[Deranged Rhino]

 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

10 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

Billions of planets doesn't do it justice there are over a hundred billion stars in our galaxy and their are at least over a hundred billion galaxies in the known universe. The Universe is ***** mind breakingly huge.

 

 

I was trying to keep the math "manageable"   

 

We are like - Hotron hears a Who in the universe 

 

[Warcodered]

20 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:

 

I was trying to keep the math "manageable"   

 

We are like - Hotron hears a Who in the universe 

 

I get it the numbers are ridiculous when you try and look at them and a billion is a number everyone knows off the top of their head. I mean lets say there are 1 billion planets in each galaxy and 1 billion galaxies that gives a number for planets like this:

 

  1,000,000,000

x 1,000,000,000

   1,000,000,000,000,000,000

 

That's what a quintillion?

[Foxx]

2 hours ago, 4merper4mer said:

Except math.

 

Accept math.

we are constantly discovering, here on Earth, that life exists in the most inhospitable of environments, where it was thought it could never exist.  take that math and apply it to the quintillions of hospitable planets. your maths do not add up.

Edited January 8, 2020 by Foxx

[4merper4mer]

9 minutes ago, Foxx said:

we are constantly discovering, here on Earth, that life exists in the most inhospitable of environments, where it was thought it could never exist.  take that math and apply it to the quintillions of hospitable planets. your maths do not add up.

Lol on two fronts.

 

1. I would not be surprised in the least if there were microbial life elsewhere in this universe but that is not the discussion.  The discussion is about intelligent life capable of communicating.

 

2. The crackpots in Greggy's latest article estimate that if space is all the oceans of the world, then we have searched about a hot tub's worth.  Sounds small.  Now bring a hot tub into any part of any ocean in the world.  Fill it.  Look for signs of life.  You'll find lots.  Bad choice of words by the crackpots.

[4merper4mer]

2 hours ago, Warcodered said:

Billions of planets doesn't do it justice there are over a hundred billion stars in our galaxy and their are at least over a hundred billion galaxies in the known universe. The Universe is ***** mind breakingly huge.

 

You've never adequately explained your math. And now you're saying we've already exhaustively searched to the point that the answer seems apparent? I showed you that the distance our own signals have traveled is only a tiny speck in our own galaxy. And even assuming we were looking for the signals the entire time we've been sending them that's what at best a hundred years. Within the massive time span of the universe that's enough to indicate we're alone in the universe? At best all that might prove is that nobody within that same speck has been sending signals we detect within that hundred years.

You are not incorrect about our outbound signals but you are wildly incorrect about detecting signals.  Think that part through again.

[Warcodered]

3 hours ago, 4merper4mer said:

You are not incorrect about our outbound signals but you are wildly incorrect about detecting signals.  Think that part through again.

No you're wrong...huh it's real easy to debate this way without actually explaining anything.

 

But go ahead enlighten me in what way is any signal we should of detected(assuming that they're sending the same kind of signals we do) going to of been outside that speck that we should of been able to detect within this last hundred years?

 

3 hours ago, 4merper4mer said:

Lol on two fronts.

 

1. I would not be surprised in the least if there were microbial life elsewhere in this universe but that is not the discussion.  The discussion is about intelligent life capable of communicating.

 

2. The crackpots in Greggy's latest article estimate that if space is all the oceans of the world, then we have searched about a hot tub's worth.  Sounds small.  Now bring a hot tub into any part of any ocean in the world.  Fill it.  Look for signs of life.  You'll find lots.  Bad choice of words by the crackpots.

1. Assuming life occurs elsewhere in the universe essentially would make it extremely unlikely no other intelligent life would occur.

 

2. This is such an unimaginably ridiculous point especially since it contradicts your first point. I mean how many intelligent species would you find in that hot tub? at best I'd say 1. But beyond that I mean what's your point the one place we've found life is absolutely full of it? I mean that's like looking for a ball in a ball pit, of course you found one.

Edited January 8, 2020 by Warcodered

[Foxx]

48 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

Lol on two fronts.

 

1. I would not be surprised in the least if there were microbial life elsewhere in this universe but that is not the discussion.  The discussion is about intelligent life capable of communicating.

 

2. The crackpots in Greggy's latest article estimate that if space is all the oceans of the world, then we have searched about a hot tub's worth.  Sounds small.  Now bring a hot tub into any part of any ocean in the world.  Fill it.  Look for signs of life.  You'll find lots.  Bad choice of words by the crackpots.

let's see... we have ventured to one other planet and surprise, surprise... we found life.  in a logical manner of thinking, this would say that the universe is teeming with life, of all kinds.

 

 

19 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

... But go ahead enlighten me in what way is any signal we should of detected(assuming that they're sending the same kind of signals we do) going to of been outside that speck that we should of been able to detect within this last hundred years? ...

as human beings, we only perceive 1% of the actual known light spectrum. as well as roughly less than 10% of the known sound spectrum. to think that any and/or all beings would reside in that limited perception is mindbogglingly, to be kind, foolish.

 

let's not forget about the vibratory issues either, cymatics is a very interesting science.

Edited January 8, 2020 by Foxx

[4merper4mer]

1 hour ago, Warcodered said:

No your wrong...huh it's real easy to debate this way without actually explaining anything.

 

But go ahead enlighten me in what way is any signal we should of detected(assuming that they're sending the same kind of signals we do) going to of been outside that speck that we should of been able to detect within this last hundred years?

 

1. Assuming life occurs elsewhere in the universe essentially would make it extremely unlikely no other intelligent life would occur.

 

2. This is such an unimaginably ridiculous point especially since it contradicts your first point. I mean how many intelligent species would you find in that hot tub? at best I'd say 1. But beyond that I mean what's your point the one place we've found life is absolutely full of it? I mean that's like looking for a ball in a ball pit, of course you found one.

Oy Vey on your first paragraph....and not just the paragraph......think.

 

1. On what assumptions are you basing that?

 

2.  In the context of the ocean, the life is actually quite spread out.  That is the point.  Even being spread out, a small segment of the ocean, or any occupied space will yield results.

1 hour ago, Foxx said:

let's see... we have ventured to one other planet and surprise, surprise... we found life.  in a logical manner of thinking, this would say that the universe is teeming with life, of all kinds.

 

 

 

We did?  Where was that?

[Warcodered]

55 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

Oy Vey on your first paragraph....and not just the paragraph......think.

I'm still waiting for you to bring anything substantive to this argument.

 

1 hour ago, 4merper4mer said:

1. On what assumptions are you basing that?

 

2.  In the context of the ocean, the life is actually quite spread out.  That is the point.  Even being spread out, a small segment of the ocean, or any occupied space will yield results.

 

1. It's pretty obvious you just need to think.?

 

2. Turn the faucet and fill a cup of water. That cup of water is full of life. Turn off the faucet grab another empty cup and look at it. That cup is also full of life. But yeah it's real spread out.

[Foxx]

1 hour ago, 4merper4mer said:

... We did?  Where was that?

perhaps i should have used the formal term of, 'a precursor to life in the form of organic matter'. if the organic matter that we understand as a precursor to life is prevalent, would it not seem logical to think that life is also prevalent? ergo, intelligent life as well?

 

The ESA's Rosetta mission,... found that organic matter ...of the nucleus of comet 67P Churyumov-Gerasimenko, a.k.a. Chury.

 

Organic matter preserved in 3-billion-year-old mudstones at Gale crater, Mars

 

within the next decade, they are sending probes to Mars to search specifically for remnants of life.

[4merper4mer]

3 hours ago, Foxx said:

perhaps i should have used the formal term of, 'a precursor to life in the form of organic matter'. if the organic matter that we understand as a precursor to life is prevalent, would it not seem logical to think that life is also prevalent? ergo, intelligent life as well?

 

The ESA's Rosetta mission,... found that organic matter ...of the nucleus of comet 67P Churyumov-Gerasimenko, a.k.a. Chury.

 

Organic matter preserved in 3-billion-year-old mudstones at Gale crater, Mars

 

within the next decade, they are sending probes to Mars to search specifically for remnants of life.

So, the opposite?

 

Microbes on Mars, while incredibly interesting, would do nothing to change the fact that the equation is simply not filling wrt intelligent life being present elsewhere in the universe.

[ICanSleepWhenI'mDead]

Microbes are living organisms.  The "organic matter" found on the comet and on Mars was not a living organism.

 

If you know a scientist who believes current evolution theory, ask him or her how the jump was made from organic matter (i.e., chemicals containing carbon), to an organism capable of reproducing itself.  In other words, just exactly how did even complex organic chemicals make the jump from being just chemicals to being life capable of reproducing.

 

It's a rather large hole in our "knowledge."

 

 

[4merper4mer]

2 hours ago, ICanSleepWhenI'mDead said:

Microbes are living organisms.  The "organic matter" found on the comet and on Mars was not a living organism.

 

If you know a scientist who believes current evolution theory, ask him or her how the jump was made from organic matter (i.e., chemicals containing carbon), to an organism capable of reproducing itself.  In other words, just exactly how did even complex organic chemicals make the jump from being just chemicals to being life capable of reproducing.

 

It's a rather large hole in our "knowledge."

 

 

I know.  That's why I used "would".  I was also cutting him some slack because he's grasping at straws.

 

The leap from organic material to life is indeed not understood.  Microbes evolving to intelligence is also quite the leap.  Math tells us this likely hasn't happened anywhere else, but not yet whether microbial life is out there.  My guess on that question is yes.  It may even be close by in one or more of a few places in our solar system.  Mars is a candidate as are some moons of Jupiter and Saturn.  The sleeper pick is parts of the upper atmosphere of Venus.  That would actually be my first choice, followed by the moon with the liquid ocean under ice.  I think it's Europa but I'm too tired to look it up.

[LeGOATski]

22 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

I know.  That's why I used "would".  I was also cutting him some slack because he's grasping at straws.

 

The leap from organic material to life is indeed not understood.  Microbes evolving to intelligence is also quite the leap.  Math tells us this likely hasn't happened anywhere else, but not yet whether microbial life is out there.  My guess on that question is yes.  It may even be close by in one or more of a few places in our solar system.  Mars is a candidate as are some moons of Jupiter and Saturn.  The sleeper pick is parts of the upper atmosphere of Venus.  That would actually be my first choice, followed by the moon with the liquid ocean under ice.  I think it's Europa but I'm too tired to look it up.

Enceladus has the water underneath. Both have a crust of ice.

[Warcodered]

1 hour ago, 4merper4mer said:

I know.  That's why I used "would".  I was also cutting him some slack because he's grasping at straws.

 

The leap from organic material to life is indeed not understood.  Microbes evolving to intelligence is also quite the leap.  Math tells us this likely hasn't happened anywhere else, but not yet whether microbial life is out there.  My guess on that question is yes.  It may even be close by in one or more of a few places in our solar system.  Mars is a candidate as are some moons of Jupiter and Saturn.  The sleeper pick is parts of the upper atmosphere of Venus.  That would actually be my first choice, followed by the moon with the liquid ocean under ice.  I think it's Europa but I'm too tired to look it up.

Right....it's only occurred on the only planet we've found life on so far.

[4merper4mer]

4 hours ago, Warcodered said:

Right....it's only occurred on the only planet we've found life on so far.

My statement was that there is a big difference between a microbe and intelligent life.  Do you disagree?  

 

Intelligent aliens being absent from the universe could be due to microbial life's initial development being difficult, or its advancement being difficult.  Or both.  Or other factors,. Look up "the great filter".  It'll be a start in allowing rational thought in where emotion currently has control.

Look at this like a good journalist would:

 

Who: intelligent aliens

What: don't exist

When: so far ever in the history of time

Where: the universe

Why: This needs more study.  It is definitely interesting but it doesn't change the above.  You're focused on this pillar because you want the others to change but things don't work that way.  Understanding this will be a key part in humans potentially surviving away from Earth.

[Foxx]

MYSTERIOUS RADIO SIGNAL IS COMING FROM A NEARBY GALAXY, SCIENTISTS ANNOUNCE

[Foxx]

8 hours ago, LeGOATski said:

Enceladus has the water underneath. Both have a crust of ice.

also of note:

 

where Enceladus resides, Saturn's 'E' ring is filled with oxygen atoms. probably a result of the geysers spewing water and that breaking down into hydrogen and oxygen.

 

 

Titan is known is have water oceans. while mostly frozen, there is evidence of stable liquid bodies on the surface, along with a dense atmosphere.

 

Jupiter's Io has what is thought to be volcanoes.

 

 

water vapor has been detected around Europa.

 

 

just within our own solar system, it seems apparent that certain ingredients necessary for life as we understand it are abundant within even the most inhospitable of places.

 

 

 

[Deranged Rhino]

https://www.space.com/nasa-tess-first-earth-size-habitable-exoplanet-toi-700d.html

[LeGOATski]

7 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

https://www.space.com/nasa-tess-first-earth-size-habitable-exoplanet-toi-700d.html

 

Exoplanet research is the coolest thing anyone is doing right now. Can't wait to see what our tic-tac probes find there.

[4merper4mer]

15 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

https://www.space.com/nasa-tess-first-earth-size-habitable-exoplanet-toi-700d.html

From a purely scientific viewpoint, that is yet another great discovery.  

 

As far as a step in finding life, it simply isn't one.  These tidally locked planets are 100% day on one side and 100% night on the other.  The regions for liquid water are very narrow.  But those aren't the big issues.  The red giants they surround are often active and spew radiation far and wide.  This one doesn't at the moment but may have in the past or may in the future.  The biggest issue is that these planets don't spin meaning the either have a very weak magnetosphere or none at all.  Their atmospheres are either gone or on their way to being gone.

 

Habitable is defined very broadly by these charlatans.  Oh look, it has 2 of the 5000 prerequisites.  It's habitable.  That's a joke.

[ALF]

Top-secret UFO files could ‘gravely damage’ US national security, Navy says

 

Last year, the Navy for the first time acknowledged that three UFO videos -- one from the 2004 USS Nimitz incident and two from 2015 -- were real videos of unidentified flying objects.

 

Responding to Vice's Freedom of Information Act request, the Navy said it had "discovered certain briefing slides that are classified TOP SECRET. A review of these materials indicates that are currently and appropriate Marked and Classified TOP SECRET under Executive Order 13526 and the Originial Classification Authority has determined that release of these materials would cause exceptionally grave damage to the National Security of the United States."

 

https://www.foxnews.com/science/top-secret-ufo-files-gravely-damage-us-national-security

[John Adams]

On 1/8/2020 at 2:55 PM, Foxx said:

let's see... we have ventured to one other planet and surprise, surprise... we found life.  in a logical manner of thinking, this would say that the universe is teeming with life, of all kinds.

 

 

We have ventured to more than one planet, several moons and planets in fact. And we have found no life. If we had, it would be the biggest biological discovery ever. I would love for your assertion  to be true but saying it so incorrectly yet confidently makes you look foolish, like you believe in a fantasy and then go out and say it's a fact. It isn't. At all. 

 

I don't agree with Crayonz's confidence but right now we have no evidence of life anywhere but here. None. Nada. Zero. 

 

Chemicals in a comet are not life. 

Edited January 14, 2020 by John Adams

[John Adams]

On 1/10/2020 at 12:22 AM, LeGOATski said:

 

Exoplanet research is the coolest thing anyone is doing right now. Can't wait to see what our tic-tac probes find there.

 

 "Look we found another planet," is not that cool any more. Lots of stars have lots of planets. We glean very little about them from this distance unfortunately. 

[4merper4mer]

1 hour ago, John Adams said:

 

 "Look we found another planet," is not that cool any more. Lots of stars have lots of planets. We glean very little about them from this distance unfortunately. 

 

I think it is pretty cool but understand what you mean.  They are finding new types of planets at times and all of these things are tiny little pieces in a billion piece jigsaw.  I admire this methodical work and it is using the limits of our current technology which is also cool to learn about.  It is becoming repetitive at a high level, no doubt, but we are learning new things.

 

The hype machine that spits out headlines like "most Earth like planet ever just discovered" is boring for sure.  There really hasn't been an extrasolar Earth like planet discovered at all.  If we discovered Venus in a solar system 100 light years away, it would be the most Earth like planet ever discovered, Mars would be a close second.  This latest discovery is so far behind Mars and Venus it's like a jogger trying to compete in the Indy 500, but is painted differently.

 

Assuming an 80 year life span, people are impatient and want some discovery on their timeline.  That's ok IMO because it pushes things.  If we were searching for the cancer cure, and never found it, but gradually cured everything else, that would be cool.  Unlike finding aliens, we may find the cure for cancer, but it is the best comparison I could find.  Searching for non-existent aliens will have side benefits.  Not too long from now, we'll be equipped to fulfill Von Neumann's observations which will be a step for us and hopefully lay to rest the need to imagine aliens as a reason for exploration.

[LeGOATski]

4 hours ago, John Adams said:

 

 "Look we found another planet," is not that cool any more. Lots of stars have lots of planets. We glean very little about them from this distance unfortunately. 

?‍♂️

[John Adams]

3 hours ago, 4merper4mer said:

 

I think it is pretty cool but understand what you mean.  They are finding new types of planets at times and all of these things are tiny little pieces in a billion piece jigsaw.  I admire this methodical work and it is using the limits of our current technology which is also cool to learn about.  It is becoming repetitive at a high level, no doubt, but we are learning new things.

 

The hype machine that spits out headlines like "most Earth like planet ever just discovered" is boring for sure.  There really hasn't been an extrasolar Earth like planet discovered at all.  If we discovered Venus in a solar system 100 light years away, it would be the most Earth like planet ever discovered, Mars would be a close second.  This latest discovery is so far behind Mars and Venus it's like a jogger trying to compete in the Indy 500, but is painted differently.

 

Assuming an 80 year life span, people are impatient and want some discovery on their timeline.  That's ok IMO because it pushes things.  If we were searching for the cancer cure, and never found it, but gradually cured everything else, that would be cool.  Unlike finding aliens, we may find the cure for cancer, but it is the best comparison I could find.  Searching for non-existent aliens will have side benefits.  Not too long from now, we'll be equipped to fulfill Von Neumann's observations which will be a step for us and hopefully lay to rest the need to imagine aliens as a reason for exploration.

 

Yeah--I'm not saying we should give up. But there's not a lot coming out of this as exoplanet excitement right now besides, "Look another one." We're up around 4000 of these. The 4001st isn't that interesting. 

 

The spectroscopy studies, and that's pretty much going to be the extent of any knowledge we gain about these planets in our lifetimes, will be limited to a knowledge of some of the chemicals in atmosphere. Good to know for science, but sadly it will be little to answer the big questions about life on other planets. 

Edited January 14, 2020 by John Adams

[Deranged Rhino]

8 hours ago, ALF said:

Top-secret UFO files could ‘gravely damage’ US national security, Navy says

 

Last year, the Navy for the first time acknowledged that three UFO videos -- one from the 2004 USS Nimitz incident and two from 2015 -- were real videos of unidentified flying objects.

 

Responding to Vice's Freedom of Information Act request, the Navy said it had "discovered certain briefing slides that are classified TOP SECRET. A review of these materials indicates that are currently and appropriate Marked and Classified TOP SECRET under Executive Order 13526 and the Originial Classification Authority has determined that release of these materials would cause exceptionally grave damage to the National Security of the United States."

 

https://www.foxnews.com/science/top-secret-ufo-files-gravely-damage-us-national-security

 

It's the secret of all secrets in modern society. People died for it. People were silenced to protect it. 

 

But it can't be kept secret any longer. The dam is about to... 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/navy-cryptically-said-top-secret-104725894.html

 

The Navy cryptically says it has top-secret UFO briefings that would cause 'exceptionally grave damage' to US national security if published

[Foxx]

[Deranged Rhino]

https://www.space.com/aliens-time-traveling-humans-ufo-hypothesis.html

Are the aliens us? UFOs may be piloted by time-traveling humans, book argues

[LeGOATski]

6 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

https://www.space.com/aliens-time-traveling-humans-ufo-hypothesis.html

Are the aliens us? UFOs may be piloted by time-traveling humans, book argues

We'll never need time travel for tourism. That's what simulation and VR are for.

 

Despite what he claims, that guy is not offering a simple answer. Isn't he actually proposing the most complex answer?

[LeGOATski]

 

One of my favorite sci-fi series, the Hyperion Cantos, covers the simulation idea pretty well. Entire worlds of physical simulation built by AI for a specific time period or place. Kinda like a more advanced and grander West World. That's a very realistic idea for the far far future.

[Formerly Allan in MD]

On 8/1/2011 at 5:40 PM, Doc said:

It's a USO: Unidentified Sunken Object.

Beat me too it.

[LeGOATski]

15 hours ago, Formerly Allan in MD said:

Beat me too it.

Only 9 years too late

 

So close

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

I like to load up BING for the daily image 

 

Today's image is the Northern lights.

 

Today's Quiz made me laugh 

 

 

Bing homepage quiz

What kind of clouds are these?

• A
  They're not clouds, they're UFOs

[Philly McButterpants]

On 1/9/2020 at 9:48 AM, Foxx said:

Titan is known is have water oceans. while mostly frozen, there is evidence of stable liquid bodies on the surface, along with a dense atmosphere.

 

Jupiter's Io has what is thought to be volcanoes.

 

 

 

 

 

Titan has methane oceans - too cold for water oceans.