LeGOATski Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 12 hours ago, Bad Things said: Just thought I’d mention that one of the trending Netflix shows is called Bob Lazar: Area 51 and Flying Saucers. Joe Rogan also did a recent podcast interviewing Bob. I have no idea if he’s totally full of it, or if he’s telling the truth, but it’s sure an interesting interview and could actually tie in a lot of what has recently come out in the media. Bob Lazar: Area 51 and Flying Saucers A recent description of the tic tac craft by the Navy pilots conveyed a cylindrical translucent outer shell around a square-ish object. As I'm watching the Bob Lazar documentary, he's describing a cylindrical craft with a small reactor in the center. He draws the reactor as a square. It has 3 gravity amplifiers surrounding it that are also square. Below them are the gravity emitters. These descriptions seem to line up. We first synthesized element 115 in 2003. The tic tac aircraft showed up in 2004 (supposedly). In Bob's time involved with the project, they had no way of synthesizing element 115. They were trying to reverse-engineer the technology with regular nuclear energy, which just would never work. It'll be fun to eventually hear the story of the scientists who successfully engineered it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 https://www.yahoo.com/news/ufos-discovered-historical-paintings-114905870.html just what are those Flying Chariots doing in these pictures? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 whelp there goes another theory https://www.yahoo.com/news/scientists-conclude-cigar-shaped-interstellar-201922584.html maybe its a giant space turd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 1 hour ago, ShadyBillsFan said: whelp there goes another theory https://www.yahoo.com/news/scientists-conclude-cigar-shaped-interstellar-201922584.html maybe its a giant space turd A team of scientists took multiple months to determine that it wasn't sent by non-existent beings. I'm sure this will help get another multi million $$$$$$$ grant. For Pete's sake if these idiots would watch a few sitcoms and pay attention we could all be spared this idiotic monotony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 On 7/1/2019 at 4:31 PM, /dev/null said: Bob Lazar has been around since at least the 80s. He has a very compelling story but over 30+ years some holes have been poked thru it as well as some far out stuff that has proven to be true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 34 minutes ago, Foxx said: as well as some far out stuff that has proven to be true. Lol like what? And don't answer with some vague crap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 9 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: Lol like what? And don't answer with some vague crap. well for starters and probably the most well known is that Bob spoke of Element 115 long before it was reported to be synthesized in 2003. he also could be credited with bringing Area 51 to the public's eye, which theretofore not much was speculated about it. he also did received a W-2 from the government proving he did work for the governement. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 (edited) 46 minutes ago, Foxx said: well for starters and probably the most well known is that Bob spoke of Element 115 long before it was reported to be synthesized in 2003. he also could be credited with bringing Area 51 to the public's eye, which theretofore not much was speculated about it. he also did received a W-2 from the government proving he did work for the governement. Yup and that's just alittle piece of of it. His name was also shown on a declassified document for work/study under S-4.Which is in Area 51. Edited July 5, 2019 by Patrick_Duffy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Foxx said: well for starters and probably the most well known is that Bob spoke of Element 115 long before it was reported to be synthesized in 2003. he also could be credited with bringing Area 51 to the public's eye, which theretofore not much was speculated about it. he also did received a W-2 from the government proving he did work for the governement. So he figured out 114 + 1 = 115? Wow that is truly impressive. I hereby predict element 116. Aliens do not exist and this guy is a loon. Edited July 6, 2019 by 4merper4mer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 (edited) 46 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: So he figured out 114 + 1 = 115? Wow that is truly impressive. I hereby predict element 116. Aliens do not exist and this guy is a loon. Lol, that's not how that worked but aight. Nobody knows what's out there in the never ending universe, but you are certainly entitled to your opinion as is anyone else. Edited July 6, 2019 by Patrick_Duffy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 17 minutes ago, Patrick_Duffy said: Lol, that's how that worked but aight. Nobody knows what's out there in the never ending universe, but you are certainly entitled to your opinion as is anyone else. Math is not an opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, 4merper4mer said: Math is not an opinion. You stating he used "elementary math" is certainly an opinion. Yes, math was used, but not the 1+1=2 math that you are saying. In any event that wasn't necessarily what I was stating as an opinion anyways. You saying that there is definitely not Aliens out there and they don't exist is what I was saying was your opinion (which it is). Thought that was obvious, but anyways. Humans also didn't exist, until one day they did. Edited July 6, 2019 by Patrick_Duffy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 15 minutes ago, Patrick_Duffy said: You stating he used "elementary math" is certainly an opinion. Yes, math was used, but not the 1+1=2 math that you are saying. In any event that wasn't necessarily what I was stating as an opinion anyways. You saying that there is definitely not Aliens out there and they don't exist is what I was saying was your opinion (which it is). Thought that was obvious, but anyways. Humans also didn't exist, until one day they did. Sorry for the confusion about the math. I can see how you misunderstood what I meant. I was not referring to the 115 thing as dumb as it is. I was in fact saying math is not an opinion in reference to the existence of aliens. The math is clearly spelled out in earlier pages of this thread. I fondly refer to it as sitcom math at this point. I share many people's interest in outer space and have mixed feelings on the value of modern space travel. Ultimately is will be necessary for the survival of the species, I'm just not sure if the stuff we are doing today provides true value. We will need several quantum leaps in our knowledge to be able to travel the immense distances we face. Does piddling around with rovers on Mars that cost billions advance that cause more than funneling those billion into advancing simulations and observations made from Earth? I honestly don't know. What I do know, and what anyone being honest with themselves also knows, is that finding another advanced civilization amongst the stars is not going to happen. It has been mathematically eliminated more emphatically than a baseball team that is 23 games out of a playoff berth on September 30. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 (edited) 9 hours ago, 4merper4mer said: ... Aliens do not exist and this guy is a loon. to say that aliens do not exist is mathematically stupid of epic proportions. 6 hours ago, 4merper4mer said: ... Ultimately is will be necessary for the survival of the species, I'm just not sure if the stuff we are doing today provides true value. We will need several quantum leaps in our knowledge to be able to travel the immense distances we face. ... would we then not be aliens? in hindsight here, does this, based upon your previous reply, make you a loon? we have already landed on an surface not our own... Edited July 6, 2019 by Foxx 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 8 hours ago, 4merper4mer said: Sorry for the confusion about the math. I can see how you misunderstood what I meant. I was not referring to the 115 thing as dumb as it is. I was in fact saying math is not an opinion in reference to the existence of aliens. The math is clearly spelled out in earlier pages of this thread. I fondly refer to it as sitcom math at this point. I share many people's interest in outer space and have mixed feelings on the value of modern space travel. Ultimately is will be necessary for the survival of the species, I'm just not sure if the stuff we are doing today provides true value. We will need several quantum leaps in our knowledge to be able to travel the immense distances we face. Does piddling around with rovers on Mars that cost billions advance that cause more than funneling those billion into advancing simulations and observations made from Earth? I honestly don't know. What I do know, and what anyone being honest with themselves also knows, is that finding another advanced civilization amongst the stars is not going to happen. It has been mathematically eliminated more emphatically than a baseball team that is 23 games out of a playoff berth on September 30. Well like I said, people think different things when it comes to this subject, and the bolded here I disagree with. I think it's more than possible an intelligent species is somewhere out there. And yes, I'm being honest with myself about that. So we will just disagree. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 1 hour ago, Foxx said: to say that aliens do not exist is mathematically stupid of epic proportions. would we then not be aliens? in hindsight here, does this, based upon your previous reply, make you a loon? we have already landed on an surface not our own... You can do all the research you need to realize your oversight right here in this thread. There are other places as well. Nice desperation gotcha heave with the "we are aliens" bit. I'm sure you're joking but in case not I'll just clarify that I meant humans are the only intelligent species. 1 minute ago, Patrick_Duffy said: Well like I said, people think different things when it comes to this subject, and the bolded here I disagree with. I think it's more than possible an intelligent species is somewhere out there. And yes, I'm being honest with myself about that. So we will just disagree. I have no problem with someone disagreeing with me but disagreeing with math seems futile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: You can do all the research you need to realize your oversight right here in this thread. There are other places as well. Nice desperation gotcha heave with the "we are aliens" bit. I'm sure you're joking but in case not I'll just clarify that I meant humans are the only intelligent species. I have no problem with someone disagreeing with me but disagreeing with math seems futile. I disagree with "your" so called math I guess I could say. I don't believe we know everything we need to know about math yet to determine such a thing. To believe so also seems kind of , well futile. Edited July 6, 2019 by Patrick_Duffy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 5 minutes ago, Patrick_Duffy said: I disagree with "your" so called math I guess I could say. I don't believe we know everything we need to know about math yet to determine such a thing. To believe so also seems kind of , well futile. So you've reviewed the math in this thread? What part of it seems incorrect to you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 1 minute ago, 4merper4mer said: So you've reviewed the math in this thread? What part of it seems incorrect to you? The parts that are not stated, if they knew all they needed to know about math then the worm hole, possibly time travel, and more would be cracked. Don't you know math never stops, or did you think Einstein had figured it allout and there was no need to keep going? 4 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: So you've reviewed the math in this thread? What part of it seems incorrect to you? You stated yourself in a previous post that humans would one day maybe have to move to another planet, don't you think a lot of math will be involved to make that happen? If we go by your math logic then we should already be able to do that stuff and a alot more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Patrick_Duffy said: The parts that are not stated, if they knew all they needed to know about math then the worm hole, possibly time travel, and more would be cracked. Don't you know math never stops, or did you think Einstein had figured it allout and there was no need to keep going? You stated yourself in a previous post that humans would one day maybe have to move to another planet, don't you think a lot of math will be involved to make that happen? If we go by your math logic then we should already be able to do that stuff and a alot more. Whoa. Try to focus. Paragraph 1:. I have no argument which says we have learned everything about math; or science for that matter. You clearly haven't read the earlier parts of this thread. We hadn't discovered Higgs Boson until recently. Did I state or even think it was fake? No. Why? Math. Aliens don't exist and relatively simple math is all that is needed to determine that. I think that's a bummer but I don't get emotional about it. The rest:. If you accept time as linear, which is at least somewhat in question, we're still learning how to do things. We are using math and science to learn. One of the things we've learned is that we are the only ones learning. You are disagreeing with things I'm not even saying. Go back to the earlier parts of this thread, I believe around pages 20-40, if you want to understand what I'm saying. Edited July 6, 2019 by 4merper4mer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 18 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: So you've reviewed the math in this thread? What part of it seems incorrect to you? Basically what I'm saying is, we are getting more technologically advanced almost everyday and the reason is we are still learning more and more "math" and many other things along with it everyday. There's no telling how far along man will be with technological advances 10 or 15 years from now. Much less 100 yrs. And that will have us learning even more about math. So yes, the math in this instance is no where near complete. 2 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: Woah. Try to focus. Paragraph 1:. I have no argument which says we have learned everything about math; or science for that matter. You clearly haven't read the earlier parts of this thread. We hadn't discovered Higgs Boson until recently. Did I state or even think it was fake? No. Why? Math. Aliens don't exist and relatively simple math is all that is needed to determine that. I think that's a bummer but I don't get emotional about it. The rest:. If you accept time as linear, which is at least somewhat in question, we're still learning how to do things. We are using math and science to learn. One of the things we've learned is that we are the only ones learning. You are disagreeing with things I'm not even saying. Go back to the earlier parts of this thread, I believe around pages 20-40, if you want to understand what I'm saying. Nah I'm pretty focused, no need for me to. We can leave it like it is, you think what you want and I will do the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 2 minutes ago, Patrick_Duffy said: Basically what I'm saying is, we are getting more technologically advanced almost everyday and the reason is we are still learning more and more "math" and many other things along with it everyday. There's no telling how far along man will be with technological advances 10 or 15 years from now. Much less 100 yrs. And that will have us learning even more about math. So yes, the math in this instance is no where near complete. Nah I'm pretty focused, no need for me to. We can leave it like it is, you think what you want and I will do the same. The first 90% of your post is unnecessary because I have no argument with it and agree with it. At no point have I made an argument against it or anything like it. The part starting with "Nah" reminds me of the monkeys covering their eyes, ears and mouths in memes and such. The previous sentence is where your argument fails. It isn't a matter of "thinking" when something has been proven. 2+2 is 4 whether someone has learned it or not. Basic math is all that is needed to discern that a search for aliens will forever remain fruitless. If you choose to actively avoid it, that does not erase its existence or somehow make it false. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: The first 90% of your post is unnecessary because I have no argument with it and agree with it. At no point have I made an argument against it or anything like it. The part starting with "Nah" reminds me of the monkeys covering their eyes, ears and mouths in memes and such. The previous sentence is where your argument fails. It isn't a matter of "thinking" when something has been proven. 2+2 is 4 whether someone has learned it or not. Basic math is all that is needed to discern that a search for aliens will forever remain fruitless. If you choose to actively avoid it, that does not erase its existence or somehow make it false. Again, I think the math is incomplete (meaning more needs to be known). And furthermore to me it does not prove that nothing exist in a universe that does not end. So yeah, that's where I'm at. And I think the same about your mindset, just the monkey is covering his eyes instead of ears. Edited July 6, 2019 by Patrick_Duffy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 16 minutes ago, Patrick_Duffy said: Again, I think the math is incomplete (meaning more needs to be known). And furthermore to me it does not prove that nothing exist in a universe that does not end. So yeah, that's where I'm at. And I think the same about your mindset, just the monkey is covering his eyes instead of ears. How much infinite is enough infinite? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 1 hour ago, 4merper4mer said: How much infinite is enough infinite? Blah blah all you want. Bottom line is that there is no hard proof one way or other that there is or is not intelligent life out there. That's just fact whether you want to believe it or not. Billions upon billions upon billions of planets and solar systems. To think it's not possible that their may be intelligent life is pretty close minded. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 2 hours ago, 4merper4mer said: You can do all the research you need to realize your oversight right here in this thread. There are other places as well. Nice desperation gotcha heave with the "we are aliens" bit. I'm sure you're joking but in case not I'll just clarify that I meant humans are the only intelligent species. I have no problem with someone disagreeing with me but disagreeing with math seems futile. see, right here you're off the rails. not only are we not the only intelligent species, we are not even the only intelligent species on this planet. i suggest looking in the mirror for that oversight you speak of. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 9 minutes ago, Foxx said: see, right here you're off the rails. not only are we not the only intelligent species, we are not even the only intelligent species on this planet. i suggest looking in the mirror for that oversight you speak of. Shirley. Redefining intelligent is a desperation heave. We're talking about being intelligent enough to send signals into space. Whales or Dolphins don't cut it and Canadians count as human. 24 minutes ago, Patrick_Duffy said: Blah blah all you want. Bottom line is that there is no hard proof one way or other that there is or is not intelligent life out there. That's just fact whether you want to believe it or not. Billions upon billions upon billions of planets and solar systems. To think it's not possible that their may be intelligent life is pretty close minded. It's not closed minded. It's math. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 9 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: Shirley. Redefining intelligent is a desperation heave. We're talking about being intelligent enough to send signals into space. Whales or Dolphins don't cut it and Canadians count as human. We’ve conducted numerous experiments over the years that show various creatures, from octopuses to finches, performing tasks requiring deductive reasoning. Have we done that with Canadians yet? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 (edited) 20 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: Shirley. Redefining intelligent is a desperation heave. We're talking about being intelligent enough to send signals into space. Whales or Dolphins don't cut it and Canadians count as human. ... Nancy, it would seem that you are the only one here that keeps redefining what you are saying, otherwise known as, moving the goal posts. Edited July 6, 2019 by Foxx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 On 7/2/2019 at 9:19 AM, ShadyBillsFan said: whelp there goes another theory https://www.yahoo.com/news/scientists-conclude-cigar-shaped-interstellar-201922584.html maybe its a giant space turd ...taco induced residual effect I believe.......... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 14 minutes ago, Foxx said: Nancy, it would seem that you are the only one here that keeps redefining what you are saying, otherwise known as, moving the goal posts. Math has shown that there are no life forms elsewhere in the universe capable of communicating with Earth. Those have been the goal posts since early in this thread and haven't moved. The basis of the thread is UFOs so it should be clear we aren't talking about microbes or monkeys, although the math is starting to pile up against the existence of the latter off Earth as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, 4merper4mer said: I have no problem with someone disagreeing with me but disagreeing with math seems futile. You’re right. Being grounded for the summer by the parents after barely squeaking by in Grade 11 math buttresses your statement. ? Edited July 6, 2019 by Ridgewaycynic2013 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 1 minute ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: You’re right. Being grounded for the summer by the parents after barely squeaking by in Grade 11 math buttresses your statement. That's clever. Did you read the math? I'm eager to hear your refutation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 3 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: That's clever. Did you read the math? I'm eager to hear your refutation. My contention was strictly that math wins out over the feeble protestations by the aggrieved teen to the parental powers, owing to a less than satisfactory final grade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 27 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: Math has shown that there are no life forms elsewhere in the universe capable of communicating with Earth. Those have been the goal posts since early in this thread and haven't moved. The basis of the thread is UFOs so it should be clear we aren't talking about microbes or monkeys, although the math is starting to pile up against the existence of the latter off Earth as well. where is this math you keep referring to? oh and... no vague stuff, specificity required. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedge Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 9 minutes ago, Foxx said: where is this math you keep referring to? oh and... no vague stuff, specificity required. I'm pretty sure this is the equation he is referring to: My biases = Universal truths 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 21 minutes ago, Foxx said: where is this math you keep referring to? oh and... no vague stuff, specificity required. As I've stated multiple times, it is in this very thread on pages in the 20-40 range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 4 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: As I've stated multiple times, it is in this very thread on pages in the 20-40 range. yeah, no. that is not very specific. you'll have to do better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 37 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: My contention was strictly that math wins out over the feeble protestations by the aggrieved teen to the parental powers, owing to a less than satisfactory final grade. I didn't protest any math. I used it. You've used unfounded mockery thus far. Pursuit of the truth sometimes leads us to results that disappoint. Whether exhilarating or disappointing, the results of logic are always instructive. Try using it and listening to it some time soon. Just now, Foxx said: yeah, no. that is not very specific. you'll have to do better. It was a discussion in this thread and it should be easier to find than currency conversion tables. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: ... It was a discussion in this thread and it should be easier to find than currency conversion tables. currency conversion tables? you're the one spouting off about maths, you should provide the evidence to support your argument. i hope it is not the Drake Equation you are using as your maths.... Edited July 6, 2019 by Foxx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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