Why is does Cam Newton not get more consideration?

[TH3]

I beleive Bills99999 tried to start a thread - but it got somewhat hijacked:

 

Seriously - Why does CN not get more consideration for us? To be honest - I could care less about his laptop and his dad - as in I was just in Pittsburgh and people seemed to have forgot about BR being an arse.

 

Anyway - CN COULD be one of the most game changing QB's in a long time. A bigger stronger Vick. I think he actually led or was near the top of FBS in passing accuracy (seems hard to say he is inaccurate or can't read defences)- against the SEC South - the toughest conference - he led comebacks, routs, he went un-freaking-defeated.

 

He will make a bad offensive line look great.

 

Take away the off the field stuff - seriously - how could one not seriously consider him?

[Erik]

I beleive Bills99999 tried to start a thread - but it got somewhat hijacked:

 

Seriously - Why does CN not get more consideration for us? To be honest - I could care less about his laptop and his dad - as in I was just in Pittsburgh and people seemed to have forgot about BR being an arse.

 

Anyway - CN COULD be one of the most game changing QB's in a long time. A bigger stronger Vick. I think he actually led or was near the top of FBS in passing accuracy (seems hard to say he is inaccurate or can't read defences)- against the SEC South - the toughest conference - he led comebacks, routs, he went un-freaking-defeated.

 

He will make a bad offensive line look great.

 

Take away the off the field stuff - seriously - how could one not seriously consider him?

 

I think above all else, considering the number of variables that will be coming into play between now and the draft, it is far too early to be focusing on one player. Heck Newton could be the #1 pick if he scouts well and Luck stays in school. Plus I think after the Tebow overload on the board last year it would be wise to hold off on these threads until closer to draft day.

[b stein 22]

Why is does. Lol

 

Also because people compare him to Russel in Oakland. People want a QB like Matt Ryan or Bradford because so far they have looked like solid starters.

Edited December 15, 2010 by b stein 22

[tennesseeboy]

I beleive Bills99999 tried to start a thread - but it got somewhat hijacked:

 

Seriously - Why does CN not get more consideration for us? To be honest - I could care less about his laptop and his dad - as in I was just in Pittsburgh and people seemed to have forgot about BR being an arse.

 

Anyway - CN COULD be one of the most game changing QB's in a long time. A bigger stronger Vick. I think he actually led or was near the top of FBS in passing accuracy (seems hard to say he is inaccurate or can't read defences)- against the SEC South - the toughest conference - he led comebacks, routs, he went un-freaking-defeated.

 

He will make a bad offensive line look great.

 

Take away the off the field stuff - seriously - how could one not seriously consider him?

Ok..he is one quarterback it would be very hard to say no to. Discipline in in decision making is going to mean looking to the person who can best help this team get to the playoffs, and that discipline has us going for the best defensive lineman or linebacker and a great offensive lineman. But even I have to admit I'd swallow very hard before passing on CN.

[zonabb]

My argument against Newton is based on risk management and sample size, primarily, but also character secondarily. I tend to subscribe to the analysis put forth by Bill Parcells when it comes to QBs, in that he suggests drafting QBs that meet these four criteria…

 

1.He must be a senior, because you need time and maturity to develop into a good professional quarterback.

2.He must be a graduate, because you want someone who takes his responsibilities seriously.

3.He must be a three-year starter, because you need to make sure his success wasnt ephemeral and that he has lived as the guy for some period of time.

4.He must have at least 23 wins, because the big passing numbers must come in the context of winning games.

 

I have my own 5th, which is Wonderlic score, that is one above a 22. If you do the research on available QB Wonderlic scores, Super Bowl winning QBs, which if I recall correctly the exception being Bradshaw, all have a Wonderlic of 22 or higher. Think about the QBs and your perception of their intelligence, particularly the greats of the past 20 years Elway, Montana, Young, Aikman. All smart and cerebral. Even the ones you generally might not consider intelligent or high thinkers whove won in the last 20 years scored 22 or more.

 

Im not saying a dummie cant get you to the playoffs (its happened) or that all-brains, no athleticism brainy QB will. Im saying that if a Super Bowl win is your goal, picking a JP Losman again surely wont get you there.

 

Not sure where Newton will be on the score, but he doesnt measure up to all four Parcells variables. He wasnt a three year starter. He has 24 wins, but 11 were at a juco in Texas and hardly worthy of consideration in Parcells variables. I dont think Parcells was talking about juco stats. Listen, he got 11 wins at Blinn, but thats not even the same level of competition as UB has in the MAC.

 

Its about not picking the best athlete per se, its about having the most information and then making an educated decision on who the best QB is.

 

When you factor everything into the equation, you then have to consider the personality issues. Caught cheating at Florida makes me question his commitment to hard work.

 

So youre looking to invest money in a leader, lots of money. The face of your franchise. Can you risk the one year starting stats of Cam Newton? I wouldnt. Id much rather take the same risk with a cheaper QB in later rounds and grab a better impact player first.

 

The difference between bad drafting teams and good ones, I think, is the inability to have a detached, unemotional attachment to player and physical attributes and numbers without putting them into context.

Edited December 15, 2010 by zonabb

[Alphadawg7]

I beleive Bills99999 tried to start a thread - but it got somewhat hijacked:

 

Seriously - Why does CN not get more consideration for us? To be honest - I could care less about his laptop and his dad - as in I was just in Pittsburgh and people seemed to have forgot about BR being an arse.

 

Anyway - CN COULD be one of the most game changing QB's in a long time. A bigger stronger Vick. I think he actually led or was near the top of FBS in passing accuracy (seems hard to say he is inaccurate or can't read defences)- against the SEC South - the toughest conference - he led comebacks, routs, he went un-freaking-defeated.

 

He will make a bad offensive line look great.

 

Take away the off the field stuff - seriously - how could one not seriously consider him?

 

Actually, I was telling some friends while watching the games this weekend that I have a feeling Cam is going to be a Buffalo Bill next year. To clarify, I wasnt saying he should be or that he is my preferred choice, just stating that I have a feeling that Chan is going to want this kid.

 

Personally, if we could get him in the 2nd, I would be all for it...I think that is a pipe dream though and he more than likely is a first round pick. That being said, I dont like him at where we will pick in the first. There are better and safer prospects at other positions of need that will be available that I like better. Besides, if by some miracle Luck is available at our pick, that is the guy I want.

[NewEra]

Why is does. Lol

 

Also because people compare him to Russel in Oakland. People want a QB like Matt Ryan or Bradford because so far they have looked like solid starters.

 

Why do they compare him to Russel? Russel is nowhere near the athlete Newton is.

 

My guess, as sad as it is....he's black. I'd take Newton over any QB in this draft not named Luck. Not sure what other reason, other than the color of his skin, that he doesn't get the respect. He's got size, strength, speed, sees the rush coming and decent touch on his passes. He may not be the most polished "passer", but he's nowhere near where jamarcus was in college, he's much better.

I'm not a big fan of Newton, but I do think he's got a good chance to help a team win in the nfl.

[metzelaars_lives]

Because he's not Irish-Catholic.

[808]

cam and vick are 2 completely different types of runners. vick is much smaller and shiftier. look at QBs who run the spread option. its much different than a normal spread. he blew up the stats and he is far and away the best player in college this year. but many of his passes were short dump offs and yes he made some college Ds look silly. IMO he will not have the same impact at the nfl level. his release and throwing motion needs some work too.

the bills need impact players now. not project players that maybe could be good. he is very much like tebow. a better runner but not as good of a passer.

 

front 7 impact guys now is the move i hope

[Tortured Soul]

My argument against Newton is based on risk management and sample size, primarily, but also character secondarily. I tend to subscribe to the analysis put forth by Bill Parcells when it comes to QBs, in that he suggests drafting QBs that meet these four criteria…

 

1.He must be a senior, because you need time and maturity to develop into a good professional quarterback.

2.He must be a graduate, because you want someone who takes his responsibilities seriously.

3.He must be a three-year starter, because you need to make sure his success wasn’t ephemeral and that he has lived as “the guy” for some period of time.

4.He must have at least 23 wins, because the big passing numbers must come in the context of winning games.

 

Not sure where Newton will be on the score, but he doesn’t measure up to all four “Parcells” variables.

 

Neither do Luck, Locker or Mallett. Or Tom Brady.

 

But, hey, Chad Henne does.

[NoSaint]

I beleive Bills99999 tried to start a thread - but it got somewhat hijacked:

 

Seriously - Why does CN not get more consideration for us? To be honest - I could care less about his laptop and his dad - as in I was just in Pittsburgh and people seemed to have forgot about BR being an arse.

 

Anyway - CN COULD be one of the most game changing QB's in a long time. A bigger stronger Vick. I think he actually led or was near the top of FBS in passing accuracy (seems hard to say he is inaccurate or can't read defences)- against the SEC South - the toughest conference - he led comebacks, routs, he went un-freaking-defeated.

 

He will make a bad offensive line look great.

 

Take away the off the field stuff - seriously - how could one not seriously consider him?

 

im pretty sure theres a thread debating this every other day. he gets a lot of conversation and i see both sides

 

pro: big, fast, most athletic guy on the field, seems to have an NFL arm

 

cons: tremendous lapses in judgement off the field, runs a spread option offense which does not remotely transfer to the nfl, small sample size (one year at an SEC school)

[JohnC]

The attached link is a brief radio discussion about the draft by Wes Bunting. It discusses the Newton and Mallett prospects. More and more I'm favoring taking Newton with our first pick. There is also a segment on Nick Fairley.

 

http://audio.wgr550.com/hosting/media/wgr550/1268190/1215-wes-bunting.mp3

[Johnny Hammersticks]

I get why Cam is so appealing to many Bills fans. He undoubtedly is the the best college football player in the country. That level of talent is enticing, especially for a team that hasn't had much to be excited about in a very long time.

 

My concerns is that Newton may not be the best NFL ready QB prospect, and that he would require 1-2 years of grooming before he deserved to be the starter. I really don't think that the bills have the luxury of spending their first round pick on someone who would not be an immediate contributor.

 

I am concerned that he has not played in a pro-style offense...he currently plays in a shotgun spread type offense. I also am concerned about the character issues. Unless he is available in the 2nd round, which he will not be, I say pass on Newton. IMO....Fitz has proven that he is a more than capable starting QB, and he will only get better. Let's build around him.

[MDH]

For fans there's no way of us knowing if his talent will translate. He needs to sit in a film room with coaches and breakdown what he's seeing for them and where he should go with the ball. He obviously has the physical tools it's a matter if he has the football smarts. Also, how quickly can he process information and how is his accuracy when he doesn't have a stone wall of an offensive line in front of him to give him all day to throw?

 

Personally, he reminds me of Daunte Culpepper but with a bit more speed and (at the college level) more accuracy.

[JohnC]

 

Mr. Hammersticks, Simply out of curiosity where did that "whose chair" diatribe under your postings come from? Every time I read it I laugh.

[DrDawkinstein]

I get why Cam is so appealing to many Bills fans. He undoubtedly is the the best college football player in the country. That level of talent is enticing, especially for a team that hasn't had much to be excited about in a very long time.

 

My concerns is that Newton may not be the best NFL ready QB prospect, and that he would require 1-2 years of grooming before he deserved to be the starter. I really don't think that the bills have the luxury of spending their first round pick on someone who would not be an immediate contributor.

 

I am concerned that he has not played in a pro-style offense...he currently plays in a shotgun spread type offense. I also am concerned about the character issues. Unless he is available in the 2nd round, which he will not be, I say pass on Newton. IMO....Fitz has proven that he is a more than capable starting QB, and he will only get better. Let's build around him.

 

Expecting immediate contribution from any draft pick is a recipe for disaster and disappointment.

 

IMO, the fact that Fitz has proven to be a better-than-serviceable QB gives the Bills MORE ability to take Newton. With the full expectation that he will sit the entire 2011 season to learn the offense from 1. The best offensive/QB-minded coach the Bills have ever had, and 2. the 5th smartest athlete in all of professional sports.

 

NOW is the time to get a young QB. No pressure to start him for at least another year, which could be stretched into 2 if need be.

 

If we decide to go Dline, I'll be just as happy. I'm just saying I understand if we do pick him, and not to expect anything from him (or any other QB we draft) next year.

 

My only knock on Newton is that he has only proven himself over 1 season.

[Johnny Hammersticks]

 

Mr. Hammersticks, Simply out of curiosity where did that "whose chair" diatribe under your postings come from? Every time I read it I laugh.

 

On YouTube, look up "drinking out of cups." Watch the clip with the little cartoon lizard. It's a sound clip of some crazy musician who is allegedly tripping-out on acid or something. The sound clip is sync'd to an animated lizard which makes it even more hilarious. The first time I watched it, my wife and I laughed and laughed until we were crying!

 

Expecting immediate contribution from any draft pick is a recipe for disaster and disappointment.

 

IMO, the fact that Fitz has proven to be a better-than-serviceable QB gives the Bills MORE ability to take Newton. With the full expectation that he will sit the entire 2011 season to learn the offense from 1. The best offensive/QB-minded coach the Bills have ever had, and 2. the 5th smartest athlete in all of professional sports.

 

NOW is the time to get a young QB. No pressure to start him for at least another year, which could be stretched into 2 if need be.

 

If we decide to go Dline, I'll be just as happy. I'm just saying I understand if we do pick him, and not to expect anything from him (or any other QB we draft) next year.

 

My only knock on Newton is that he has only proven himself over 1 season.

 

Agreed...but why do we need to draft a developmental QB in round one? I just feel that this team desperately needs to upgrade it's defensive front, and that a defensive lineman would be a much less risky pick than would Cam Newton.

[JohnC]

Expecting immediate contribution from any draft pick is a recipe for disaster and disappointment.

 

IMO, the fact that Fitz has proven to be a better-than-serviceable QB gives the Bills MORE ability to take Newton. With the full expectation that he will sit the entire 2011 season to learn the offense from 1. The best offensive/QB-minded coach the Bills have ever had, and 2. the 5th smartest athlete in all of professional sports.

 

NOW is the time to get a young QB. No pressure to start him for at least another year, which could be stretched into 2 if need be.

 

If we decide to go Dline, I'll be just as happy. I'm just saying I understand if we do pick him, and not to expect anything from him (or any other QB we draft) next year.

 

My only knock on Newton is that he has only proven himself over 1 season.

 

Not having enough experience is a reasonable concern about a qb prospect. What mitigates that concern is that he has performed at an exemplary level in a very high level conference. In addition, he won a national championship with his junior college team.

 

As you noted, with the Bills having Fitz as their starter there is no need to rush him.

 

If you get a chance listen to the radio link on a prior posting #12 on this same topic in which the scout compares Newton and Mallett.

Edited December 15, 2010 by JohnC

[metzelaars_lives]

Expecting immediate contribution from any draft pick is a recipe for disaster and disappointment.

 

IMO, the fact that Fitz has proven to be a better-than-serviceable QB gives the Bills MORE ability to take Newton. With the full expectation that he will sit the entire 2011 season to learn the offense from 1. The best offensive/QB-minded coach the Bills have ever had, and 2. the 5th smartest athlete in all of professional sports.

 

NOW is the time to get a young QB. No pressure to start him for at least another year, which could be stretched into 2 if need be.

 

If we decide to go Dline, I'll be just as happy. I'm just saying I understand if we do pick him, and not to expect anything from him (or any other QB we draft) next year.

 

My only knock on Newton is that he has only proven himself over 1 season.

 

I agree. It makes me feel good just reading that. Who would have thought when they made the hire that however many months later we would be 3-10 and still making statements like that? This season has been everything we could've realistically hoped for.

Chan Gailey is the best. I love that man.

[NoSaint]

 

Mr. Hammersticks, Simply out of curiosity where did that "whose chair" diatribe under your postings come from? Every time I read it I laugh.

 

On YouTube, look up "drinking out of cups." Watch the clip with the little cartoon lizard. It's a sound clip of some crazy musician who is allegedly tripping-out on acid or something. The sound clip is sync'd to an animated lizard which makes it even more hilarious. The first time I watched it, my wife and I laughed and laughed until we were crying!

 

 

 

Agreed...but why do we need to draft a developmental QB in round one? I just feel that this team desperately needs to upgrade it's defensive front, and that a defensive lineman would be a much less risky pick than would Cam Newton.

 

 

quite frankly because any qb is developmental and if you see one you think can develop into a HOF'er or even probowler, you take him. you cant go back and get him 2 years from now if you are 8-8 and 8-8. you need to have a disaster season or trade a kings ransom to get to the top of the draft. If you are picking in the top 5 or so odds are you dont have that guy on your roster unless you picked him last year in the top 5. If you believe in the guy at that pick you are absolutely nuts to pass him even if you have an average to slightly above average qb. now its just a matter of whether they see that guy.

 

im not saying you cant get that qb elsewhere, but that is the most reliable place to do so.

Edited December 15, 2010 by NoSaint