ExiledInIllinois Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 Put it this way... Who cares what is overrated, underrated or whatever... It is all in the ears of the beholder... With that, listen to what you want and block everything else out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wooderson Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 This. Also, as to the rest of the catalog, listen to "Pawn Shop," "40 oz. to Freedom," "Waiting For My Ruca," and "Same In The End" (probably one of my top 3 Sublime songs). I LOVEEEEE Waiting for my Ruca. Such a chill song with a great bass line. Sublime was a great band, but their live performances were less than stellar. Many clips I've seen they're too drunk and !@#$ed up to even play anything correctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UB2SF Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 This thread is totally fascinating to me. Kudos to the OP for such a polarizing topic! Without trying to rehash anything mentioned thus far, I will add... Green Day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 R.E.M. is over rated too. A couple of pop hits that were slightly above the norm, but nonetheless uninspiring, and overall weak albums. And what's with Stipe's attitude? He's like "I'm gay and bitter, but I won't confirm I'm gay, just the bitter." It's like who really cares anyway? Get over it already, you're the one with the issue. They were ridiculously overrated back in the day, but no one cares about them anymore, so I would say currently they are just about right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuntheDamnBall Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 They were ridiculously overrated back in the day, but no one cares about them anymore, so I would say currently they are just about right. I wouldn't say nobody cares about them anymore - they can still sell out the Garden and they still put on a great show. The comment about Stipe's being gay is a little off the mark; he came out a while ago. A little self-righteous sometimes - sure, but being a frontman like that sort of forces your hand. Perhaps their early catalog is a bit overrated, but I think they tried things that a lot of bands weren't doing before them, and wedded a lot of influences together that set the tone for a whole genre of music. Being in part responsible for that, and shepherding and supporting a lot of good bands as they did, won them a lot of praise. It's also comforting to see a band that was not, at least in a working arrangement, about individual egos. They shared their publishing rights equally, and their writing is really a partnership of all members. More underrated: Replacements, and in that lineage, Big Star. Mission of Burma. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cugalabanza Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 I will add... Green Day I'm with ya on that one! And their inexplicable success spawned a whole genre full of soulless, bright-sounding pseudo-punk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 I'm with ya on that one! And their inexplicable success spawned a whole genre full of soulless, bright-sounding pseudo-punk. I wouldn't even give them that much credit. And BTW I revisited Sublime for the first time in a long time.....crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indy Dave Posted September 10, 2010 Share Posted September 10, 2010 This thread is totally fascinating to me. Kudos to the OP for such a polarizing topic! Without trying to rehash anything mentioned thus far, I will add... Green Day Like a couple of others have suggested, to each his/her own. But I'm really surprised it took 13 pages for Green Day to get mentioned. Not a fan. At all. I am glad to say that my favorite band hasn't been mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted September 10, 2010 Share Posted September 10, 2010 (edited) Like a couple of others have suggested, to each his/her own. But I'm really surprised it took 13 pages for Green Day to get mentioned. Me too (except it's only 7 pages the way I have the board configured). As for Sublime, they really suck, but are they overrated? I think most know they suck. Edited September 10, 2010 by The Dean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted September 10, 2010 Share Posted September 10, 2010 Like a couple of others have suggested, to each his/her own. But I'm really surprised it took 13 pages for Green Day to get mentioned. Not a fan. At all. I am glad to say that my favorite band hasn't been mentioned. Are you sure no one mentioned The Dave Clark Five? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indy Dave Posted September 10, 2010 Share Posted September 10, 2010 Are you sure no one mentioned The Dave Clark Five? I was actually referring to Wham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted September 10, 2010 Share Posted September 10, 2010 I was actually referring to Wham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indy Dave Posted September 10, 2010 Share Posted September 10, 2010 Wouldn't you know it? The Saints score a quick TD and a Green Day song plays as they go to commercial. Granted it was the "Saints" song. Guess that beats Careless Whisper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted September 10, 2010 Share Posted September 10, 2010 great track, original guitar work from Carlton was amazing. they really brought out the best in him. i like how an aging Becker and Fagan are becoming more like the characters they sing about ... LOL. also, dont see how SD gets mentioned in most over rated ... for starters, although they had some big hits they were still a niche band in a lot ways, and never had the "we're not worthy" status of a U2. given their musicianship versus a U2, if anything they're more worthy of a "most under rated" title. In the late 70s, SD were huge, and not a niche band. That song FM was on alllll the friggin time and so was most of Aja. Another one overrated to me is Peter Gabriel. Some of the music is OK, but his vocals are pretty weak, all the songs sound the same to me as a result zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Throw in all the clown outfits, and I've never been impressed. I'll see your Peter Gabriel and raise you Phil Collins. I don't think he's been mentioned and I can't tell you how over-rated I think he is. There are some of his album cuts that I really like, but I think Against All Odds may be his only hit that I don't loath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justnzane Posted September 10, 2010 Share Posted September 10, 2010 Sublime??? You're talking about one of the greatest three man acts of all time. Go listen to that solo from Santaria again and tell me they're overrated. again, outside of their hits, their catalog is freakin awful. Santeria is a great song, but they whiffed more than they took a hit... er made a hit. There is no reason that people are so religious about them to the point, the I'd rather talk to a Marley fanatic over a Sumblime fanatic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted September 10, 2010 Share Posted September 10, 2010 You mistook my "King of the Power Ballad" to be a jibe. I could listen to a Seger's greatest hits with a smile on my face for 2 hours. He has a no BS sincerity that either turns you off for it's lack of subtlety or you just enjoy for its honesty (like a good country song). Yeah, I believe you replied to Joe, the anti-Seger guy, and when I think of power ballads I think of super sappy horrible songs from 80s metal bands. Joe, with another comment he made, made it clear he is too young to appreciate this - but I don't think you will find many, if any, people who saw Seger say '76-80 who would say he was over-rated.........You're right - no BS - sincerity and honesty all the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Jack Posted September 10, 2010 Share Posted September 10, 2010 I'll see your Peter Gabriel and raise you Phil Collins. I don't think he's been mentioned and I can't tell you how over-rated I think he is. I mentioned Phil earlier, I combined him with Genesis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 10, 2010 Share Posted September 10, 2010 More underrated: Replacements, and in that lineage, Big Star. Mission of Burma. You want under-rated? I'll give you under-rated: The Velvet Underground and The Kinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tennesseeboy Posted September 10, 2010 Share Posted September 10, 2010 This goes back a ways but I have to say the Monkees. They were an artificial band to start with but were manufactured into something with songs others wrote for them and careful advertising and the tv show. I don't think ANY other "band" comes close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted September 10, 2010 Share Posted September 10, 2010 This goes back a ways but I have to say the Monkees. They were an artificial band to start with but were manufactured into something with songs others wrote for them and careful advertising and the tv show. I don't think ANY other "band" comes close. But were they overrated? They had a TV show, so they were overexposed. But i think most everyone new they were a fake band. Didn't they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted September 10, 2010 Share Posted September 10, 2010 But were they overrated? They had a TV show, so they were overexposed. But i think most everyone new they were a fake band. Didn't they? Here You Go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted September 10, 2010 Share Posted September 10, 2010 You want under-rated? I'll give you under-rated: The Velvet Underground and The Kinks. Totally agree on The Kinks. They were so good, and now they are totally forgotten. That live album they put out in around 1980 got totally worn out by me. I saw them in '80, also, and they were great. As for the Monkees, I would actually say they are underrated because everybody thinks they are a joke. Yet, I love songs like I'm a believer, Last Train to Clarksville, Daydream Believer, etc. I'm not sure who wrote them, but I do know that Michael Nesmith wrote one of my all time favorite songs - Different Drum, made famous by Linda Ronstadt and the Stone Ponies (but I love Susanna Hoffs version, as well.)........Plus, I think it so cool that his mother invented Liquid Paper! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted September 10, 2010 Share Posted September 10, 2010 Re the Monkeys. You may not like them as a band but for Saturday morning entertainment for a young kid they couldn't be beat. I loved that show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted September 10, 2010 Share Posted September 10, 2010 Stolen from the Sabres thread - Schony was definitely under-rated as a singer I still have this album! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted September 10, 2010 Share Posted September 10, 2010 You want under-rated? I'll give you under-rated: The Velvet Underground and The Kinks. cheers to that. I constantly shuffle 33,000 songs. Through the years, I have found that I really dig Velvet Underground and Bob Dylan. Lou Reed has some classic solo stuff too. New York is an incredible album IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted September 10, 2010 Share Posted September 10, 2010 Ok I'm going to step ouside the box here. The Attica High School Marching Band. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tennesseeboy Posted September 10, 2010 Share Posted September 10, 2010 But were they overrated? They had a TV show, so they were overexposed. But i think most everyone new they were a fake band. Didn't they? I know..I had to put band in quotes for that reason. Still I think that they fooled a lot of kids who thought they were a real band and went to their concerts. From the interviews of those who gave interviews (Mickey Dolenz and the short guy) they didn't even take the band idea seriously. I think the other two were happy because they never even got a chance to show whatever creativity they actually had. I don't know whether either of them had any cuz I never heard from them afte the monkees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oneknee Posted September 10, 2010 Share Posted September 10, 2010 Not sure how I forgot Dave Matthews band...but then again, are they even "rated" or is their universal agreement on their "suckatude"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted September 10, 2010 Share Posted September 10, 2010 Not sure how I forgot Dave Matthews band...but then again, are they even "rated" or is their universal agreement on their "suckatude"? The band can jam, they just need a real front-man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted September 10, 2010 Share Posted September 10, 2010 Oh yeah, Metallica.,,, the tunes just aren't there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted September 10, 2010 Share Posted September 10, 2010 Totally agree on The Kinks. They were so good, and now they are totally forgotten. That live album they put out in around 1980 got totally worn out by me. I saw them in '80, also, and they were great. As for the Monkees, I would actually say they are underrated because everybody thinks they are a joke. Yet, I love songs like I'm a believer, Last Train to Clarksville, Daydream Believer, etc. I'm not sure who wrote them, but I do know that Michael Nesmith wrote one of my all time favorite songs - Different Drum, made famous by Linda Ronstadt and the Stone Ponies (but I love Susanna Hoffs version, as well.)........Plus, I think it so cool that his mother invented Liquid Paper! Agreed on all fronts, especially Different Drum. Valerie and Going Down are two other great Monkees songs. I saw Peter Tork play a BBQ festival in RVA last year. He's doing the rounds covering old Monkees tunes and talking about his battle with alcoholism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted September 10, 2010 Share Posted September 10, 2010 Agreed on all fronts, especially Different Drum. Valerie and Going Down are two other great Monkees songs. I saw Peter Tork play a BBQ festival in RVA last year. He's doing the rounds covering old Monkees tunes and talking about his battle with alcoholism. Cool, did you buy him a drink? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuntheDamnBall Posted September 10, 2010 Share Posted September 10, 2010 You want under-rated? I'll give you under-rated: The Velvet Underground and The Kinks. No arguments from me there. Both ridiculously good bands. I love the old Eno quote about VU, something to the effect of "not many people heard their record, but everyone who did started a band..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted September 10, 2010 Share Posted September 10, 2010 Cool, did you buy him a drink? No. But we huffed glue in the parking lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted September 10, 2010 Share Posted September 10, 2010 No. But we huffed glue in the parking lot. Well that makes sense, that is the recovering alcoholics brain !@#$ of choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted September 11, 2010 Share Posted September 11, 2010 Here You Go Wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted September 11, 2010 Share Posted September 11, 2010 Agreed on all fronts, especially Different Drum. Sid N Susie's straight up version is great, just like Linda's, but I really love when they did acoustically - and Susanna has to be the most ageless beauty ever: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted September 11, 2010 Share Posted September 11, 2010 You want under-rated? I'll give you under-rated: The Velvet Underground and The Kinks. I very much agree, especially VU. Lou Reed is one of the bigger jerks I have ever met, but man, he has done some incredible stuff over the years. Love the Kinks too, although, some of the 70's opera stuff does not age so well for me. But, Muswell Hillbillies is one of my all-time favorite albums. Good call! The Velvets have become much more appreciated in recent years, but man, when you go back and listen to those original albums, it is still a revelation. REM (overrated IMO) really did a lot to open folks eyes to them. I remember hearing "Heroin" for the first time, around 1980, when I was 15. The song just blew me away...I herd it on the Canadian CBC radio station in the wee hours of the morning, during a snow day from school. I wrote the name of the band down, and some of the lyrics, thinking, I gotta go down to Play It Again Sams, and find this record. I asked my older sister if she had ever heard of them...she knew all about them, but told me their records were almost impossible to find. Some junkie, bartender friend of hers had them. I went to Play It Again Sams, no luck. So, I borrowed the records from my sisters friend, and recorded the first three albums on cassette. About 2 or 3 years later, they re-issued them on vinyl, thanks in large part, to REM covering a bunch of their songs, and reviving interest. Great stuff... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim in Anchorage Posted September 11, 2010 Share Posted September 11, 2010 Re the Monkeys. You may not like them as a band but for Saturday morning entertainment for a young kid they couldn't be beat. I loved that show. I REALLY wanted a gas powered skateboard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philly McButterpants Posted September 11, 2010 Share Posted September 11, 2010 You want under-rated? I'll give you under-rated: The Velvet Underground and The Kinks. I agree with you on the Kinks. Sleepwalker through State of Confusion are some of the best power pop albums ever released . . . the Velevet Underground as UNDER-RATED???? One fairly decent album out of 4 and they're in the RNR HOF? Sorry, not under-rated at all. In fact, they are the poster boys for this thread . . .incredibly, undoubtedly, significantly, incredibly OVERRATED. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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