Yeah like I said it's not like I am against UB, it just doesn't strike any emotion with me. But I think you are right about them never having much of an athletic tradition. Growing up I never gave them a second thought but I loved the Bills and Sabres so that's where my fandom for those teams came from. If either of them got their act right it would be an incredible high for me...but with the UB thing it was more like this is cool but I wish I cared more lol.