BillsPride12

Yeah as much as I love the Bills I've always been kind of a straight shooter and see the team for what it is. Could never understand some of the Homers that would hype up some of those dreadful drought teams. The only era during the entire drought where I really believed in the Bills was during those Bledsoe/Moulds/Spikes years and even then it never came together like we all hoped

Can you explain? Just curious. I always hear mixed things about The Villages experience. I know some people that love it and some people that hate it

There were some years during the drought where I still watched/followed the team but I just knew they were a horrible team and had no actual faith in them accomplishing anything. I would call those seasons "going through the motions" years for me

Let me preface this by saying that I am not close to the retirement age yet and I still have alot of work to do if I ever see retirement but I'm also at that age where parents, aunts and uncles, and friends are entering the retirement years and it's been fun watching them get to that stage and for the first time in my life it's something I am starting to think about in the back of my mind. I think about how if I wanted to remain in WNY I think my ideal place to live would be in one of those Condo's along the water at Niawanda Park. But as a golfer it would be cool retiring somewhere like North Carolina or Florida where you can pretty much play year round. The Villages in FL sound like the party spot for retirees. But I know this Country has alot to offer for retirement communities so would love to hear your opinions

Carmal...unless you are having a Caramel Apple

Lionel Hutz in The Simpsons

Loved his character in Reservoir Dogs

This is a very rational take. We need more of them on this board

Another honorable mention Josh Stamer

I mean the 90s were over 25 years ago now lol

Nice man. I love that area. On top of trying to make it to training camp every so often, there's alot of great golf courses out your way! And that's a great example of people I do feel bad for, if your close enough to walk over but couldn't get tickets from the lottery system or I saw some people online saying they were coming back into town during training camp and wanted to take in a practice but weren't able to get tickets. It is not ideal

It's funny when I was putting my list together I was thinking of that play too but I was thinking about it from the perspective of it was Mark Pike who busted the wedge open allowing Christie to recover the onside kick. But regardless of that Christie is definitely worthy of being on the list as well

Yeah on my original list I was pretty much split between McGee and Christie as my final pick. If you open it up to 5 spots it becomes a pretty easy discussion. I will say I wasn't sure if there was anybody else I was forgetting or players before my time I wasn't aware of so that's why I started the discussion.

I'm not sure numbers wise but I see what you are saying. I know training camp was never the issue/mess that it is now before things took off and the Bills became perennial contenders. I remember going to training camp in 2019 and it wasn't the hassle that it is now. Not sure if you are local in WNY right now but it reminds me of Artpark in Lewiston. They used to do this free concert series every Tuesday night no tickets or anything required. You could just show up and hang out, it was great! Then one Summer they started bringing in bigger bands like ZZ Top and Lynyrd Skynyrd and it just became a madhouse and more people were attending than the facility was built to accommodate. Total s***show. The following year they started requiring you to buy tickets to this concert series.

I'm not sure. But I'm sure behind the scenes they have the logistics of it all figured out. There's no way they could leave it open without having a cap on attendants with the popularity of the team right now. And yeah it totally sucks that some people get screwed by not being able to get tickets to it, but what other way can you distribute tickets besides having some type of lottery? I stand by my original point that is is impossible to accommodate everybody that wants to attend training camp with a ticket. Keep in mind the tickets are free so there is a whole other pool of people trying to go that might not attend games because of the financials and how much smaller the seating area is at Fisher v.s. Highmark stadium and think about how many Bills fans are out there. It's easy to say they can make it where everybody has a chance to get tickets if they want to do but impossible to execute. Yeah that would be ideal but camp was commercialized a long time ago, even before Allen showed up

I mean if you make this Mt a 5 spot then I think you just nailed it Sir

I get that point and don't condone that behavior at all. I was able to get 6 tickets but at the time there were two maybe's in our group and I was going to give those two tickets away to someone trying to take their child if they backed out but they have since confirmed they are in as well. My original point being there is such a high demand because of the popularity of the Josh Allen era Bills that they could not just open it up to the general public without requiring tickets because the facilities would not be able to support that large of a crowd. Like all of the primetime games we all can't stand now it's another one of those unfortunate angles to being a true contender with a marquee superstar at the helm of it.

I was giving him serious consideration as my 4th pick but wasn't sure if I was using some recency bias there