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You certainly are full of gas.

Well, the ones that don't agree with him can't possibly be experts

The crusading of the OP is tendentious, employing ridiculous hyperbole to cast a wet blanket. Plenty of respected football minds think Allen has a chance to be very good and most acknowledge that he has a fairly exceptional skill set that needs development.

I don't mind cantankerous when it's also honest. Journalists with integrity are rare nowadays. Have a great b-day.

Good to hear from you, Soda. Excellent point.

Or maybe he started out in h.s. as an average sized fella from a tiny, obscure farm town playing for a tiny, obscure team. Then he grew seven inches, put on muscle, but was still a raw talent with no history of good coaching performing in elite programs, so he had to go the juco route and then play for Wyoming. It is a positive in the sense that one can make a plausible case for why their is a gap between innate talent and his current state of development. Well, that particular coach speaks highly of Allen, though folks who don't like Allen will dismiss it as propoganda. Not sure how much a head coach has to do with qb development, but at minimum Allen has been exposed to a pro-style system.

You are accentuating the negative on Rosen just as those who dislike Allen throw shade to justify a very negative interpretation of Allen's potential. OTOH, I do think Allen is worth the risk and the potential flaws with Rosen you indicate are real.

The traditional way also should open up space for the running game. Well, I don't disagree really, but I don't think the vertical passing game is a completely obsolete dinosaur. Ideally, one has a mix of both.

Subtracting one of the few playmakers on offense is a poor idea.

Very nicely done. I like it.

Everything I have read indicates that Rosen is pretty tough. His problem is that he lacks pocket awareness and escapability when pressure comes. He takes a lot of hits and incurs injuries. He also has a prickly personality, though I am unsure if that is really an issue.

I'm not assuming anything except that his obvious preference for one qb most likely skews his impression of another.

I bet Trapasso still has a pic of Mason Rudolph pinned up somewheres.

Personally, I'd prefer to take it slow, maybe wait a year for the o-line and wr corps to be significantly upgraded. At minimum, I'd be hesitant to thrust Allen onto the field the first half of the season which is largely on the road against some tough teams.

He was working with Tyrod and Peterman. How well could it go?

Well, the supporting cast in 2017 was much worse and he was running for his life much of the time.

Well, I think one could reasonably argue that Rosen is more polished and that Mayfield is probably more developed as a qb. Allen and Darnold need more work. Allen has not had the level of coaching and support the others have had. So, project in that sense, but I do agree it is an equivocal term with limited relevance.

As you seem to surmise, it's possible to like Allen's potential and be unsure/skeptical we have the proper folks in place to develop his talent.

I see we've moved from mass hysteria because Rosen wasn't chosen to grudging acceptance and growing enthusiasm to the second wave of entrenched pessimism. The hardliners aren't going to budge unless Allen's play forces them to. No worries and no surprises on who is in that camp. Have fun griping fellas. Oh, the view that Allen is Cardale Jones, that's just so cute.

Don't be parsimonious. Fella could always be a thin-skinned idiot

Don't give in to paranoia. This is correct.

Well argued, but some folks are still going to say Terry Pegula went to the combine, saw Allen throw impressively in shorts against air, and mandated the pick.

I was thinking of a Rich Eisen interview that was posted in one of the threads. I do think the quote you included is correct. Allen can be very good, but he needs time to develop. Hopefully we have patience and the right people in place to accomplish that.

Thanks for the videos. Some folks have suggested hiring Palmer to work full-time with Allen, so it has not gone unnoticed. I was also impressed with Dilfer's opinion of Allen.

That is a common view and everyone can understand why people believe it. I think love is often insightful and more discerning than say, apathy or dislike.