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Well, Nelly, I think the other Josh has durability concerns and I surmise some evaluators think he is polished, but near a ceiling they deem rather modest. There's enough smoke that I think the personality thing is real and not simply political as you imply. I'm more of a gambler. I think Josh Allen's floor is Joe Flacco. His ceiling is John Elway. I'm happy OBD took a chance on the kid from Firebaugh.

Just a joke, fella. I hope the young man plays lights out.

Nicely done. Of course, it's possible Zay Jones will do a pretty good impression of a Wyoming wr.

It's a pic of Josh Rosen eating a salad

I think the "great post" comment very insightful . Perhaps a reasonable compromise position would be to consider waiting till Week 5 to start Allen -- that way one avoids the baptism by fire involved in three tough road games at the top of the schedule.

Well, I think the post you are questioning presupposes that a bad offensive line and limited wr weapons likely will lead to whoever is qb getting pummelled by opposing defenses. Do you want Josh Allen to be the next David Carr? That's the worry about starting Allen, in addition to whatever learning curve is involved with regards to a late-blooming player who has not had elite coaching and evidently is not as polished coming out of college as some other top rookie qbs. The counter would be that the value of learning by waiting and watching is overblown or does not pertain to the game today. Peyton Manning suffered through a 3 - 13 first season and threw a ton of picks, but he turned out to be a HOF qb. I rather imagine the naysayers would not be kind to Josh Allen if he had a similar first season. But who cares? What matters is what plan best allows Josh Allen to be the best qb long-term for the Buffalo Bills. I am inclined to slow-roll the Josh Allen train. Start of the season with tough road games does not seem optimum to me for a debut, but none of us know as much as the Bills' coaches who one hopes make a prudential decision.

Yeah, his bias is against presenting credible evaluations apparently.

Is 75 Teller? Looks like he should be wearing a kilt and carrying a Claymore.

I think you are allowing your dislike of ROR to color your evaluation of his talent. He's more than marginally useful, but I agree that it is pretty unlikely you could unload him for anything close to equitable value. If he's truly an irremediable drag on the locker room, then I suppose you have to just get rid of him for a bag of pucks.

You're doing an excellent job of ruining my Dahlin high. I think there is reasonable talent coming to improve the blueline. What do you know of the other Swede defenseman, Pilutin (sp?)? Will Borgan is supposed to have top 4 potential. In a few years, we should be pretty good with even some depth. OTOH, the rest of the team is largely weak tea and question marks. I am confident about Eichel, Samson, Mittelstadt. ROR doesn't seem to fit the future, is too slow, and emo. But how can you possibly deal him for value? Then you have nice, useful parts like Rodrigues, unknowns like Smith, Olafson, and O'Regan, and a bunch of JAGs. Ah, well.

Well, there's no doubt one can chronicle (as you have) a long series of miscalculations. This is a new regime, however. So far, I am generally pleased with what they have done, so I don't feel they are fated to add one more link in the chain of inepititude. I will be surprised if the oline is good this year. I hope they can approach average and address deficiencies with next year's draft and free agency.

Allen will have to shut up the naysayers by playing well. It's pointless, of course, to try and point out that completion percentage without context is hardly an indicator of either accuracy or future success.

Somebody find a pen.

He's making a snide comment about Josh Allen's completion percentage. I think the dude is a Klingon.

So you think Josh Allen is Joe Flacco ?

Seems a lot of folks relied on "the usual suspects" and came away with a false impression about Allen. I grew increasingly in favor of Allen as the draft approached, but I now believe Allen's floor is somewhat higher than I imagined. He's a good choice and your enthusiasm is nice to see, though I believe there is medication out there for schizophrenia

Oline could be just as bad as you fear. If it appears to be that awful, I hope they redshirt Allen. OTOH, Beane willingly traded Glenn and offered Madman Incognito a take it or leave it contract. Wood is the only entirely unpremeditated loss. So, I infer the coaching staff has a higher opinion of the overall quality of the line than most fans do. Hopefully, they have some warrant for greater implicit optimism.

Thanks to the OP for considerable effort and an interesting argument. I would echo Shaw's observation: one wonders why the EP isn't universally adopted if it is truly superior in the manner discussed. My view is that the offense last year was not very good, so it does not require tremendous improvement to at least equal last year's production. I do think the defense has more suitable talent, so overall the team may be better. The schedule is front-loaded with difficult away games, so I don't know how it will all play out record-wise.

He's from Firebaugh, CA.

I also figure older rbs have blitz pickups and blocking responsibilities down pretty well.

Ah, he's 29 yrs old. Might be a tad young

He keeps promising, but the pain never actually fades away. For no particular rational reason, I am hoping McDermott is a good surprise at RT.

Equivocity of key terms is what is causing some confusion. It is also why the argument often leads to folks talking past one another. Imo, worst most accurately implies a judgment based on performance. No doubt, optimists are projecting based on potential. Pessimists are also projecting (in Allen's case, they are interpreting college data without allowing for a context that could plausibly admit more promise.) I think it is more correct to say the Bills have one of the most unclear qb situations; because of that, one has the equivalent of an inkblot test where individuals largely see what they are temperamentally inclined to see.

I wonder what constitutes "bargain-basement price." Badolbilz analysis seems cogent to me, so it would have to be an awfully good bargain, imo.

I don't think having a bad personality is a superficial issue, but if you're a superior player, teams learn to deal with it. A good fella that can't play isn't preferable to a jerk who can. I honestly don't think the current regime passed on Rosen for Allen bacause they think the latter is a more pleasing character to hang out with. My guess is they think his mechanical issues are very likely fixable. They may even think he is the best future NFL qb and we were lucky his surrounding cast in 2017 was so bad it masked his ability somewhat. That is the happy scenario and I'm going with it. If they allowed charisma to be the defining issue, they are not good football minds. At this point, I have no reason to think they are foolish. Further, it seems the football folks tend to like Allen, while bloggers and analytic nerds prefer Rosen. We'll see how it plays out.