C.Biscuit97

I just want this to keep going. We can make a million posts and counter points. But anyway you slice it, it hitting 60% in the nfl isn’t good enough. Not hitting 60% in the SEC isn’t good enough, much less the MWC. But it is also not fair to say there wasn’t progress. As a critic of the pick, I think people are too easy to dismiss this number and find other things to blame instead of Allen. But he’s definitely earn another full year of starting. however if we are asking the same questions next offseason, it’s problem time to move on.

I mean maybe they are in love! But as some posters who are shocked that a pro athlete cheated on a hot wife, imagine being 24 and having a millions of dollars. You have to work to turn down females. And most of those females could care less if you’re married. I think love is awesome but I can’t imagine how difficult it must be to stay faithful with all that temptation. and I think this whole season might be the best thing for his career. He needed to be humbled. Getting humbled early in your career makes you grow up. If was any other team besides the cursed Browns, I’d bet on them rebounding in a big way next year.

This is like the people who spend all their complaining how awful and biased CNN and Fox News are yet they watch them everyday and get mad about it.

I was with until the second paragraph. Of course the situation matters. JP Losman sat for a year and started for a team coming off a 9-7 season. The Jags built a powerhouse defense (kinda like Buffalo) and Bortles wasn’t asked to carry the team. Leaf was popping crazy pills. again, he might not be good enough. But the Cards and Fins did everything in their power to make sure he won’t be. I’m a big fan of Louis Riddick and he is all about these teams not giving him a real shot. More young qbs are ruined than made. amazingly enough, Buffalo has done a fairly good job developing a quarterback for once.

Excellent post. I have zero disagreement.

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They invested in by giving a first time defensive head coach and firing his OC 4 games into rookie season. They then traded him to a team hat was trading off their best players. like I said, he could just suck. But imo, I don’t remember a worse situation a young top 10 pick qb has ever been in. I think the Bills have made some questions offensive moves around Allen but it is a way more functional situation than Rosen has been in.

8.5 is probably our highest in years and our schedule is much harder. We also didn’t really beat any good teams last year so there probably are some questions about us nationwide. but put money on it then and you can laugh at it when you win. Yeah but if you think it is low, it would be a great time to bet it because if they have a great free agency and draft, it could go up.

Yet he had more receiving yards than any Chief in the last 2 postseasons and won the SB. Not bad for being soft and wasting talent.

What qb would have succeed in the two situations he has been in? I’d be pissed too if that’s how I had to start my career. he could suck but it’s completely insane to base it on the situations he’s been in.

John, this is just the optimist Bills fan in you. So Jackson, who has been a better passer in a much tougher college than Allen and a better passer in the nfl, can’t improve but Allen will? this is always my problem with the all the physical tools, high upside guys who never really had elite production. People just keep thinking they will automatically take the next step and ignore some real issues. Some fans try to dismiss the 60% thing thinking it’s just a couple of throws here or there. Jackson doesn’t have the arm of Allen but he has been better in college and better in the pros. There’s just a chance he might just be a better player. And as much as some posters try to dismiss his accomplishments, saying our guy isn’t as good as the league MVP isn’t a bad thing. but let’s load up on offense and see what Allen has. I 100% believe in Allen’s character and work ethic. But it’s time to stop making excuses for the highest drafted qb in franchise history while knocking a league MVP. It’s kinda silly. Yeah, I don’t think it is racist at all but I do wonder if a 23 year old white qb who won a MVP and Heisman would face the criticism that Jackson has faced. I honestly don’t remember a MVP, especially one This young, taking as much criticism as Jackson has.

They won a SB and he’s been their most productive playoff receiver since he signed there. More than Kelce and Hill. If your team wins the SB, you don’t regret anything. Put it this way. If We had Sammy and won the SB, would you be complaining? no one is disagreeing that he hasn’t leave up to his draft position. For some reason, the Bills play in a different league offensively than The rest of the nfl. 200 yards passing is a major accomplishment in the nfl. However most other teams realize you need as many threats as possible to scare defenses. It’s not a coincidence that Sammy has played on top 5 offenses since he left Buffalo. He demands attention and when he doesn’t get it, he is capable of making plays. So even though the numbers don’t suggest it, defenses fear a Sammy Watkins more than a Beasley (who I love). with our cap the way it is, I’d completely fine overpaying for receiving talent to see if Allen really is the guy. I’d rather have a problem of too many threats than too little.

We aren’t at 6.5!!!! It’s progress!!! ? on paper, it’s a much harder schedule. It’s one of the toughest ones in a while. We could improve as a team but might not get the wins to show for it. If we beat that over, we have a legit really good team. also, as someone who loves betting, don’t ever beat on your favorite teams unless you want to beat against them so if they lose, you have a money consolation prize.

Fair points. My counter would be 1 - Jackson had a better passing season as a 2nd year guy than any of those players 2 - he was an amazing college player. Again, maybe he is just good. 2 - there are factors why some of those guys flamed out. RG3 got hurt. We know the Kaepernick story. Dog killer Vick actually became a better passer under Reid late in his career. Cunningham played with crappy skill players (look at those Eagles rosters) and then led one of the greatest teams to never win a SB late in his career. i guess the other counter is where is the track record of a prospect like Allen succeeding? A good but not great player in smaller conference who never hit 60% passing? I think Allen has a great work ethic and is a good leader. But that’s what scares me most. side note, his mom’s name is Lavonne Allen.

Why would Carolina trade a 2nd year wr who got 1,000 yards playing mostly with Kyle Allen and a broken down Newton?

SB win, $16 million/ year, playoffs last 3 years on 3 of the best offenses in the nfl. For not playing with full deck, it seems to be working out for him.

Football is my favorite sport in the world but the grind to prepare for the season sucks. I don’t blame any player for getting burnt out by it.

You love being wrong. ? average points given up in playoffs started by Brady is 20.6. Average points given up in Rodgers’ playoff starts is 28.9.

Fair points but you do realize Jackson played in a pro style system in college? again my point isn’t to crap on Allen. I just don’t understand why people out so quick to discredit Jackson. Maybe he is just a good qb. Dude has one of the best resumes of any 2nd year qb of all time. Good post and it sums up my feelings. hopefully, they both become better passers. But let’s not act like the Ravens have a super amazing receiving core either. Their top wr is 5’9” 170 lbs and missed a bunch of games. Their second wr was Willie Freakin’ Snead too,

When they came out in the draft, I had Allen and Jackson ranked together. Good physical tools, worries about them being consistent NFL passers. Im not trying to knock Allen here. I did see some improvement. My problem with this comparison is some fans always want to knock Jackson. They said he should switch positions. They started a thread about him struggling in a pro bowl drill. Then he won MVP in the pro bowl. jackson won the Heisman, while Allen wasn’t 1st or 2nd team in the MWC. Jackson helped the Ravens make the playoffs 2 years in a row. He was the MVP this year. Why can’t he improve but Allen can? Honestly, I hope both players become great qbs. It makes for a better nfl. But my biggest problem with the Allen pick is it is a projection type pick. We are expecting him to be a better player than he was in the MWC. At this point, I don’t think any rational fan can argue that Jackson hasn’t had the better career. Could Allen pass him one day? Sure but it’s just guessing at this point.

Whoops! I meant Kroft!!! I’m not giving up on Knox yet.

Allen definitely showed some improvement. But no one says stats are for losers when talking about Mahomes.

Good for Sammy. Never became the dominant receiver because of injuries but was a huge part of a championship team and has made some good money. He’s winning.

Man, another really good receiver we wasted here. I’m fine if they don’t draft a guy in a receiver If they draft 2.

Literally one of the few things that would make me punch a wall. It would beyond idiotic but this regime has outdated view on offense. Maybe we could run the wishbone.