Ed_Formerly_of_Roch

Think the game has changed too much to compare the two. While Allen certainly is stronger and bigger than Kelly, Allen would have been beat to hell 30 years ago as would his receiver group. Kelly too would hardly be playing today as likely would be out with a concussion every other week. On the other hand maybe not as the defensive team couldn't have touched him at all.

I'd certainly place him in the top 5, Mahomes I'd still place at #1 and probably Wilson and Rodgers ahead of him though Rodgers is certainly getting long in the tooth. The one thing Allen still needs to do is show it's sustainable and come back next year and play like this again to prove he's not some type of one year wonder, like Jackson was last year, not that he's terrible, but not nearly as good as last year. Admittedly Allen probably is #1 WRT physical skills which is the one thing that can't be taught and very hard to work on to improve.

Really, where I come from, that usually a good thing. Just ask Robert Kraft! Did you see him when the walked him to the tent? He didn't look like he even knew what city he was in or what day it was.

66 points scored by the Bills today, wow that was amazing. Oh wait, I'm counting was it three TD's called back.

So is there some strange rule in College football. Ohio State called a fair catch on a kickoff, caught it at the 10 yard line, went to commercial and when game resumed first play ball was moved to the 25 yard line. Does a fair catch give the team the ball at the 25 like it was a touch back. To be clear this was kick off,not a punt. I even rewound the game to make sure time was the same, not that a play was missed during commercial or something.

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Well considering he's a free agent anyway, yes he's done. Don't think he'll be one of these they tell to go shop yourself around and come back with the best offer, then we'll talk. Do think he did serve his purpose though early in the season as Epinosa wasn't ready yet, and even Harry inside was still recovering. Even the other new signed players needed some time to learn the system, made worse with no off-season and pre-season. Did he earn his $9 mil worth; NO! In hindsight would they have cut him to save the money, maybe. I wouldn't say it would have been a slam dunk as he did contribute early on. Considering all three are upcoming FA's makes it even easier. I'd imagine all three will make sure they completely clean out their lockers of all personal affects.

I'm not sure KC's WR group top to bottom is as good as Buffalo's. Watkins is also an upcoming FA so how strong will the group be next year. So they have more a need for the TE

First off I believe this is 2020 so last year was 2019. Including the draft Knox was selected in, there's only been two drafts, this year and last year. If you don't consider 2019 last year, please tell me what is last year so I can adjust my calendar to agree with yours. Second, when I said the name Kerse, I meant Kittle, my bad So I would put Kittle on the line above with the great ones. Yes please continue your list of decent to good TE's but not great game changers. Maybe some are even game changers on teams that don't have that great of a WR group. If we wanted to have a separate list of TE's with the best physical skills to play TE, I'd again have Gronk, Kelce, and Kittle in that list, but also add Knox while most of those other names on your list wouldn't be there. Considering how rare that it, don't think you want to give up on that so quickly. Knox is still developing, he came from a college offense that didn't use the TE much at all. Will he improve I don't know for certain, but the one thing I do know is that you don't know either. But you are willing to give up on a 3rd round draft pick after 2 seasons. That's the way bad football teams operate. Glad you're not in charge as I'm sure you'd have got rid of Allen last year too as was close to if not dead last in many passing categories.

Becker is still on the PS? Didn't realize that! He could be the next Lee Smith. They did that last year, they drafted two Knox and Sweeney. And Gilliam this year is playing TE. By drafting one, are you trying to improve the TE position or make it worse? I'm only asking because the likelihood of improving it are pretty low. Take away Kerse, Kelce, and Gronk, how many great TE's are there in the league? Even good ones, only about 1/2 the league have TE's have more receptions than Knox had his rookie year and about3/4 have a TE with more yards than Knox had last season. As Rochesterfan stated, think of Beasley as the TE on the team

Agree. The other thing to is with the WR group the Bills have, how much is the TE going to be targeted? Like you pointed out, Beasley is basically receiving many of those targets. I think the Bills are just as effective going with 4 WR sets, Diggs, Beasley, Davis, and Brown or even McKenzie while out and take the TE off the field. Other than having someone like Kelce or Kerse, can't imagine that 3 WR and a TE is going to worry the defense that much more. Knox is also good enough that he needs to be accounted for by the defense, they can't ignore him like they could with maybe Smith so he still serves a purpose even if he's more a decoy, the defense still needs to worry about him. It also appears that Smiths role in the offense is increasing as of late so think many here will be disappointed when they don't cut him this off=season. Can see them redoing his contract some maybe take $1/2 Mill or so off next years cap. A guy like that in his role doesn't worry me as much about extending as he's the type that barring some type of huge injury can play for a number more years, kind of has the longevity of an offensive lineman for the most part. On the other hand Kroft is a FA this off season so will be interesting to see what they do there. Do they feel Sweeney or Gilliam is ready to replace him or will they look elsewhere for a mid level FA replacement, maybe again and Olsen type. Can't see them drafting one mid round as they need someone to be able to step in this coming year if needed and not likelty a rookie would be any better than Sweeney. Or do they resign Kroft for a lower $$ amount, though can't imagine he'd be too keen on that idea only to be inactive come Sunday.

Definitely not happy tonight as game is going up against Clemson ND game. Second game today goes up against SEC championship game so doubt these two NFL games will be ratings winners, plus NFL network only. In fairness colloge championship games should have been played two weeks ago in normal season.

In fairness the two 13-3 season, the Bills had clinched the #1 overall seed with one or two weeks to go and played mostly subs. That 1990 season, their last game Gail Gilbert played QB and lost to Washington, they didn't even bother going to Reich, in 91 Reich did play the last game and lost to Detroit. If it had mattered, they may have won the last game. The 88 season, recall they cliched the division around Thanksgiving weekend, then went and lost 3 of their last 4 games. I recall if they had won even one of those last four games the AFC championship game would have also been played in Buffalo instead of in Cinni where they lost. They lost to the Bengals 3 times that year, pre-season, regular season, and AFC championship game. Last game this year also could become meaningless, but not very likely as either could be playing for a chance to move up to the #2 seed or with a loss drop to #4. The one way it could become meaningless is if the Bills get flexed to the Sunday night game as all the results are then in. Likely for that same reason would make more sense for the Bills to play the Fish at 4:00 and flex the Pitt-Cleveland game to Sunday night.

Because Az is playing in the late single game on Fox. The idea is to not give all the football fans in the Az area the idea instead of going to the Az game they will stay home and watch the KC- NO game instead. It's the same rational as to why Detroit, Indy, Jax, and Tenn are getting the fox late game instead off 1:00 game as the local team is playing then. PS I am being serious here, not sarcastic in case you were wondering. It is a bit absurd this year as just about every stadium at the least is limiting attendance pretty far.

Agree, so then who would you rather face, hence some of these teams we want to win. But even then it's hard to know whom to root for until you know for certain if Buffalo is the 2, 3, or 4 seed. The 3 potential wild card teams could finish in the same seeding order as today, and we could end up playing any of them depending on where we end up.

Guess I don't understand. If we win against Denver, we clinch the East. I can certainly understand wanting Pitt and KC to lose as a Pitt lose helps move us up to the #2 seed and with a KC lose have a real long shot at the #1 seed, but get it. Can understand a little wanting Tenn and Indy losing as gives us more assurance of no worse than #3 seed. But you lost me in the wild card games as it appears you're rooting for everyone to lose. If so what does that accomplish, standing don't change, everyone is just one game back further. There's basically 4 teams plus Raiders as long shot fighting for 3 wild card slots. To me at that point the Miami, Cleveland and Baltimore games then come down to who would we rather face and who do we want to see out of playoffs. So whomever we'd rather face, I'd think should root for them to win??

That's 3:30 Mountain time to you!

Part of his lack of focus may be due to lack of experience. In college he was rarely asked to touch the ball. Was reading an article the other days that stated Knox played in a college offense that didn't use the TE so he's very new to being asked to handle the ball. TE is also one of the toughest positions to learn in the NFL too. Couple these two things together plus throw in a couple injuries not surprising he is still struggling as he's also still learning. Kroft is a FA this off season so will be interesting to see what they do there, if they bring him back, (and would he even want to come back to be inactive most games) it tells me they are still committed to Knox as the #1 TE another year. Or do they sign another FA TE, there's a couple of decent ones that will be available. Drafting one isn't the answer IMO as the team is ready to win now and doubt a rookie TE is going to step in and contribute that well regardless. If there is a really good one ready to play form day 1, likely he'll be long gone by the time the Bills pick.

I think the chip on the shoulder thing is over rated as so many players in all sports can say the same thing. Brady wasn't all that heavily recruited and Rodgers went the same route as Allen, JUCO as only Illinois recruited him as a walk on. Everyone has some kind of chip for one reason or another.

Will Allen throw a 100 yard pass in the thin air out there? Or Bass kick one out of the stadium? But still be inches outside the upright.

I'm just quoting what the article stated. My only question is assuming this is true, would he be better off waiting rather than sign an extension this coming off season?

Interesting comment in Spotrac about a Josh Allen contract extension. Lets not debate as to whether he's a Tier I or Tier II, assume the comment is correct, he's a Tier II. If so would Allen be better off waiting another season to sign an extension to prove he's really a Tier I? Luckily for him, being a Tier 2 QB right now should bag him close to $38M per year.

Read an article the other day, forgot where which basically stated "Knox played in a college offense that didn't incorporate the TE into it" So then why draft a guy like that someone could ask. Answer, he was drafted for his physical abilities that few others possess. Also read from time to time that TE may be the toughest position for a rookie to come into the NFL and be productive. Couple that with him playing in an offense that didn't use one at all, it's going to take at least another year. Considering the Bills use 4 WR think I read like 29% of the time and they do have Smith and Gilliam who have both surprised from time to time, I wouldn't bother also dressing Kroft. If Knox gets hurt in the 2nd quarter, got with out him, maybe got 4 WR more, then the following week activate Kroft again.

I'll bet he did have a little talk with Ju Ju and told him "you moron, stop doing this!"

You forgot Roberts, though likely with return men it would be more like the NFL top 10, not 100! LOL