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Thanks, Ice. Good luck to the Pack as well. Hopefully we land the next Aaron Rodgers in this draft.

Allen is not first round material

There we go, nice!

I didn't know he signed a one day contract to retire as a Viking. The man bleeds purple now.

I cheated with a few of these selections - had to look up guys to fill out my list. Players that are before my time are indicated in parentheses. Any others that should be added? I'm still looking for a bookend DE... EDIT: DE found - Michael Bennet (thanks Steve O) OFFENSE QB1 Kurt Warner QB2 Warren Moon QB3 Tony Romo HM: Jeff Garcia LT Jason Peters LG Nate Newton C Jeff Saturday RG Brian Waters RT (Joe Jacoby) RB1 (Joe Perry) RB2 Priest Holmes HM: Arian Foster FB Marcel Reece WR1 Rod Smith WR2 (Drew Pearson) WR3 Wes Welker HM: Allen Hurns, Victor Cruz, Wayne Chrebet TE Antonio Gates DEFENSE DE Cameron Wake DT John Randle DT Pat Williams DE Michael Bennet OLB Sam Mills ILB London Fletcher ILB Vontaze Burfict OLB James Harrison HM: Jessie Tuggle CB1 Willie Brown CB2 (Richard "Night Train" Lane) CB3 (Emlen Tunnell) CB4 (Willie Wood) HM: Malcolm Butler, Chris Harris Jr., Brent Grimes, Sam Shields FS (Donnie Shell) SS Will Demps K Lou Groza HM: Justin Tucker, Adam Vinatieri

But look at who he had around him! In all seriousness, what I take away from Metz's argument is that Allen was playing with NFL caliber talent in 2016 and no NFL caliber talent in 2017. Well, his 2016 tape should look better if his team had such a talent discrepancy in a weak football conference, but here's the rub - his numbers in 2016 weren't eye popping at all. The guy has never been a dominant player regardless of who he was playing with and against. How many defensive players in this same conference went on to play in the NFL? Take another QB and put him in Allen's situation - Cam Newton since so many like to compare the two. Would Newton look like a varsity QB playing with and against JV players? Or would he look like just another guy on the football field? I'd have to think he'd shine regardless of who he was playing with and against, so I don't buy the argument he wasn't helped by his teammates. I don't know if Allen will succeed or fail in the NFL, but most signs point to him being a bust.

1. Sam Darnold - New York Jets 2. Josh Rosen - Buffalo Bills 3. Josh Allen - Arizona Cardinals 4. Baker Mayfield - Cleveland Browns 5. Lamar Jackson - Baltimore Ravens Bonus: Bills Pick - Josh Rosen

When was Uber allowed in NYS? I thought only NYC was permitted to use the service...

Dan Orlovsky had a scathing review of Josh Allen.

Can't stand the skinny numbers, not to mention the font is ugly.

PFF chart also posted in the other Allen thread. Yikes.

These charts are courtesy of PFF.

Let's put things into perspective... Boise State Passing Player School Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate Josh Allen Wyoming 12 27 44.4 131 4.9 2.3 1 2 82.6 Hawaii Passing Player School Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate Josh Allen Wyoming 9 19 47.4 92 4.8 5.9 1 0 105.4 Colorado State Passing Player School Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate Josh Allen Wyoming 10 20 50.0 138 6.9 6.9 0 0 108.0 Ohio State Passing Player School Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate Baker Mayfield Oklahoma 27 35 77.1 386 11.0 12.7 3 0 198.1 TCU Passing Player School Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate Baker Mayfield Oklahoma 15 23 65.2 243 10.6 14.0 4 0 211.4 Georgia Passing Player School Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate Baker Mayfield Oklahoma 23 35 65.7 287 8.2 8.1 2 1 147.7 I mean, what are we really talking about??

Haha, I see potential for both a negative AND positive argument. Prior to that point, he blasted each logo with precision, no missteps. What was it about seeing the Bills logo that made him hiccup? Not only once, but TWICE? The Bills gotta be on his mind...

Has someone shared this video already? He only missed one target... Baker Mayfield's pinpoint accuracy

This is a couple years old, but in the spirit of April Fool's, as well as how hot of a topic the QB position has been, here's a prank on Michael Vick that warrants a few laughs... Nephew Tommy Michael Vick Prank

Is a calculator allowed? I'd like to see what Rudolph scored. Have you guys seen his recall at Mariucci's white board? Very impressive. Mason Rudolph at the whiteboard with Steve Mariucci Interview session starts at 02:30

Passing Year School Conf Class Pos G Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate Career Miami (OH) 854 1304 65.5 10829 8.3 8.4 84 34 151.3 2001 Miami (OH) MAC FR QB 12 241 381 63.3 3105 8.1 7.9 25 13 146.5 2002 Miami (OH) MAC SO QB 12 271 428 63.3 3238 7.6 7.4 22 11 138.7 *2003 Miami (OH) MAC JR QB 14 342 495 69.1 4486 9.1 9.6 37 10 165.8 Passing Year School Conf Class Pos G Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate Career Wyoming 365 649 56.2 5066 7.8 7.7 44 21 137.7 2015 Wyoming MWC SO QB 2 4 6 66.7 51 8.5 8.5 0 0 138.1 *2016 Wyoming MWC SO QB 14 209 373 56.0 3203 8.6 8.3 28 15 144.9 *2017 Wyoming MWC JR QB 11 152 270 56.3 1812 6.7 6.9 16 6 127.8 It's probably a bit unfair to compare Allen to Roethlisberger. He has the size, yes, but nowhere close to the same processor upstairs.

He didn't run at the combine either. I don't think he wants that aspect of his game to wow the scouts. Also interesting to note: according to Mayock, teams are having trouble reaching him. They want to sit down and get him on the white board, but are having trouble in their efforts to know him. I also remember Lamar's interview where he stated he didn't want to speak after winning the Heisman. Seems like an overly shy guy and I don't think any of this pre-draft stuff appeals to him.

This article didn't do him any favors... Josh Rosen's preference It probably came from his earlier comments. He later came out and refuted that report.

For the sake of the Cleveland Brown's organization, as well as their loyal fanbase, I really, really, really hope they don't take Allen. Let the Jets screw up the pick!

I went back and looked at the 1985 NFL Draft, didn't realize the team was also in dire need of wide receivers. They selected three that year. Rather than drafting CB Derrick Burroughs at 14, I wonder what it was they didn't like about that receiver from Mississippi Valley St who went 16th to the 49ers? Can you imagine if Rice was selected at 14 and Reed was also picked in the 4th round? Wow. But every one of these drafts are filled with epic misses. If only I had a time machine...

It's funny how people are ready to give up the 12th, 22nd, 53rd, 56th, 65th, and another 2019 first round pick for Josh Rosen, but can't stomach the idea of giving up the 22nd pick alone for a QB who was just named the Superbowl MVP. To be clear, I'm not advocating giving up the 22nd pick for a player who will be a UFA next year, but I also don't want to pay a king's ransom on a QB from this particular draft. I'm just smiling at how tantalizing the unknown seems to be for some of you folks.

Would've liked to see the two UGA RBs on that list, specifically Michele.

Pro Football Focus had him rated as the 50th best tackle and a grade of "poor." https://www.profootballfocus.com/nfl/players/jared-veldheer/5594 For comparison's sake, Jordan Mills is rated as the 43rd best tackle and a grade of "below average."