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Well that's on Beane, he shouldn't have overpaid for moving up 5 slots! Word is the Bucs originally wanted 12 and 22, but Beane balked and offered the two 2nds. But why? Did Arizona, who only spent a 3rd and a 5th to move up, offer their first, their 2nd, and next year's 2nd? Seems like the Bills were bidding against themselves, especially if Tampa could backtrack from a two first round pick request.

AJM and Poyer's wives are hot, but personally, I'd take the girl RGIII left his wife for: Greta Sadeiko. She's an Estonian born Heptathlete, competed at Florida State. Beautiful and athletic!

Was just going to post something similar. Most of us have arrived to the acceptance stage of grief, but I still hate the pick. Allen is a Buffalo Bill now, so I'll root for him, no question, and hope he develops into an outlier, defying every "bust" statistic along the way, but I have my doubts. I just don't think he has the mind that makes the game easy.

Curious how everyone else feels when it comes to QBs and draft assets.

For the record, I was against drafting Allen even at 12. But for argument's sake, if the Bills stood pat and both Allen/Rosen were selected before 12, I'd have NO problem if Edmunds were the pick at 12 and Jackson was the pick at 22. Not to mention we'd still have the 53rd, 56th, and 65th picks in the draft. So it's basically Allen and Edmunds, or Jackson and Edumunds, along with picks 53, 56, and 65.

The Allen selection feels like yet another Billsy moment. Unfortunately we're used to those by now.

I've seen too many "who cares" posts for my liking. I for one DO CARE the Bills gave up TWO 2nd round picks. Picks that had the potential to fill one of many holes - WR, OL, another LB, DL, RB. Those 2nd rounders are premium picks and the Bills caved into the Bucs demand. Would I have been upset if the two went towards drafting Rosen? Probably not as much, so the bias of not liking the player makes it sting that much more. I sincerely hope Allen defies every single metric and becomes a top echelon QB. Lord knows the Bills need a break. But then again, the Bills have had many opportunities to create their own breaks, but time and time again they piss them away... just like those two 2nd round picks.

Overheard at the end of the Bills press conference: Beane to the media "we traded up to get you guys out of here early and you guys look mad..."

Love this pick. I'd be more excited if it weren't for the sting of the Allen selection.

Feels a lot like having JP Losman and Aaron Rodgers in the same draft and we go for Losman.

Feels a lot like having JP Losman and Aaron Rodgers in the same draft and we go for Losman.

Yep, chrome stopped supporting the 10.8 OS. Those bastages.

I'm doomed there. I can't update my Mac's OS because I'm running an Adobe creative package the new OS would kill. Adobe switched to a subscription based creative (cloud) package.

If the Bills have the option to pick Allen or Rosen and choose Allen, if he busts out, like many assume he will, then the Bills deserve to continue stewing in mediocrity. Allen is a great talent, he's not a great QB.

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It's with every video I've ever tried to play on nfl.com. I turned off the adblocker thinking that was the problem, but I get the same message.

Anyone else have issues with playback on nfl.com? After the videos play for 2-3 seconds, I always get this message:

Thanks, Ice. Good luck to the Pack as well. Hopefully we land the next Aaron Rodgers in this draft.

Allen is not first round material

There we go, nice!

I didn't know he signed a one day contract to retire as a Viking. The man bleeds purple now.

I cheated with a few of these selections - had to look up guys to fill out my list. Players that are before my time are indicated in parentheses. Any others that should be added? I'm still looking for a bookend DE... EDIT: DE found - Michael Bennet (thanks Steve O) OFFENSE QB1 Kurt Warner QB2 Warren Moon QB3 Tony Romo HM: Jeff Garcia LT Jason Peters LG Nate Newton C Jeff Saturday RG Brian Waters RT (Joe Jacoby) RB1 (Joe Perry) RB2 Priest Holmes HM: Arian Foster FB Marcel Reece WR1 Rod Smith WR2 (Drew Pearson) WR3 Wes Welker HM: Allen Hurns, Victor Cruz, Wayne Chrebet TE Antonio Gates DEFENSE DE Cameron Wake DT John Randle DT Pat Williams DE Michael Bennet OLB Sam Mills ILB London Fletcher ILB Vontaze Burfict OLB James Harrison HM: Jessie Tuggle CB1 Willie Brown CB2 (Richard "Night Train" Lane) CB3 (Emlen Tunnell) CB4 (Willie Wood) HM: Malcolm Butler, Chris Harris Jr., Brent Grimes, Sam Shields FS (Donnie Shell) SS Will Demps K Lou Groza HM: Justin Tucker, Adam Vinatieri

But look at who he had around him! In all seriousness, what I take away from Metz's argument is that Allen was playing with NFL caliber talent in 2016 and no NFL caliber talent in 2017. Well, his 2016 tape should look better if his team had such a talent discrepancy in a weak football conference, but here's the rub - his numbers in 2016 weren't eye popping at all. The guy has never been a dominant player regardless of who he was playing with and against. How many defensive players in this same conference went on to play in the NFL? Take another QB and put him in Allen's situation - Cam Newton since so many like to compare the two. Would Newton look like a varsity QB playing with and against JV players? Or would he look like just another guy on the football field? I'd have to think he'd shine regardless of who he was playing with and against, so I don't buy the argument he wasn't helped by his teammates. I don't know if Allen will succeed or fail in the NFL, but most signs point to him being a bust.

1. Sam Darnold - New York Jets 2. Josh Rosen - Buffalo Bills 3. Josh Allen - Arizona Cardinals 4. Baker Mayfield - Cleveland Browns 5. Lamar Jackson - Baltimore Ravens Bonus: Bills Pick - Josh Rosen

When was Uber allowed in NYS? I thought only NYC was permitted to use the service...