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No way. He never had control of that thing. His knee hit it as he was picking it up from hitting the turf, then it started moving, then it touched the turf. Easy call.

He never had control. As he was picking it off the ground, his knee hit the ball and knocked it loose and then it touched the ground.

Was it Josh's throwing hand that got hurt? Bc he's had really bad ball placement since.

The good news is we threw a bunch of money into early extensions for the Defense this off-season. ... oh wait.

Remember when Rex Ryan's D got figured out and he wouldn't budge from it? This is what it's starting to feel like with McDermott and his scheme. The injuries don't help. But it feels like McDermott's D is antiquated for today's game and the book is out on how to dismantle it.

How are we this unlucky with injuries every single year? Every team has injuries. But the magnitude of them with this team over the past few years is insane.

F-ck. We can't afford to lose Palmer. Gabe Davis here we come.

Unless you want to roll with Ja'Marcus Ingram or Cam Lewis - there's no one else to go with.

Tre White is SO bad.

He was. Until teams started to realize that was how we wanted to beat teams and had no one to create separation on the Outside. Now they key in on Cook and force Josh to beat them with his arm. Which he could - but guys getting open is a 50/50 proposition at best.

I wish they'd have gotten to the line just a half second quicker. Almost got that snap off.

Maybe i'm too needy, but I usually like to see what caused a 15 yard personal foul.

Good for you. It won't happen tho.

We simply don't have the talent on this Defense to be running this kind of scheme. Guys are constantly out of position, on the wrong assignment, giving too much cushion - etc. And at the same time, we've been running the same scheme for so long, it feels like teams now how to pick it apart by now.

Oof. Kincaid out is rough. He was the only guy getting open on any sort of consistent basis last week. And our Passing game pretty much exclusively goes through Kincaid, Shakir, and Coleman. If they're able to keep Cook in check, could be rough sledding. Need Palmer and Knox to step up.

... okay? Posts like this always crack me up. Like someone creating a thread out of a random temper tantrum outburst that's here one second and gone the next. Leaving me looking around like "what just happened?" Anyways - Damar Hamlin played a grand total of 12 snaps on Defense over the span of 5 games. Quite possible that they just elevate Cam Lewis and Jordan Hancock from the 4th and 5th Safeties to the 3rd and 4th Safeties. After all, they were the Safeties on the 53 keeping Jordan Poyer on the Practice Squad. But even if Poyer was brought up and takes the place of Damar Hamlin, as long as Rapp and Bishop stay healthy - Poyer won't be seeing the field any more than Hamlin did. Which is like, not at all. Also, I thought the majority of posters decided that Hamlin was awful and not deserving of a roster spot? Jordan Poyer is somehow worse than that?

It's really not. Your implication that bad Drafting and bad Drafting alone gets you (or in this case Nix and Whaley) fired is straight up false. I gave a number of scenarios where poor Drafting can be cancelled out by other things - namely acquiring a Franchise QB (which can be done outside of the Draft). There were teams in the Whaley and Nix era that overachieved even with bad to bridge level QB play. Often times winning just enough games to consistently miss out on Top Draft Picks necessary to land a Franchise QB. With a Josh Allen type, they wouldn't have been fired when they were and who knows where they could have gone.

How in the hell would losing to the Saints make us win the turnover battle against the Patriots?

It's not the GM's "literal job to know who" the better Pro will be. No one has a Crystal Ball. It's always a projection and an educated guess that can hit or fail based on a million different factors. Their job is to field a winning team. They are held responsible for the result of the team they field. Whaley and Nix weren't fired for Drafting poorly. They were fired for not fielding a winning team. Is Drafting part of that? Absolutely. But it's just a part of it. Acquiring a stud QB (which you can do outside of the Draft), getting the right Free Agents, managing the cap, and correctly evaluating when and where to improve or stay pat with what you have are all as important, if not more (definitely cumulatively). If you can't secure a Franchise QB (as Whaley and Nix didn't), you can Draft amazingly elsewhere, not compete, and lose your job. On the Flip side, you can secure a Josh Allen, miss on some picks, but be safe for being a team that competes every year. If anything, you're judged more harshly for going against the grain and being wrong than you are going with the consensus top prospect and being wrong. Bill Belichick is a prime example of a lot of these things. On practically a yearly basis, Belichick would reach with his picks and dumbfound former scouts and Draft analysts. It rarely worked. Tom Brady and the players who would sign on to play with Tom Brady kept them a force and cancelled out the bad Drafting. But once Brady went from being superhuman to just a very good QB, those Draft flaws started to add up. Soon after Brady left to go somewhere else where he had better help to make up for the drop off in his game age provided. And not soon after he left, then and only then the inadequacies in roster building, leaving the Patriots non competitive, would quickly cost Belichick his job.

If you want to talk about LaPorta being the better Pro or being healthier, that's fine. But Kincaid was the better Prospect and as such was expected to be the better Pro. It hasn't turned out that way thus far, but that happens more often than not when it comes to the Draft. Could be worse, we could have been the Browns, Jets, or Cardinals and Drafted Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold, or Josh Rosen with Josh Allen and/or Lamar Jackson on the board. Or imagine taking Henry Ruggs or Jalen Raegor over Justin Jefferson. Hindsight is always 20/20 when it comes to the Draft. But on the size thing - if you look at pictures of them, they look the same. Because they're practically the same size. Sam LaPorta is 6'3" 245 lbs. Dalton Kincaid is 6'4" 240 lbs.

I didn't say that it isn't a thing that teams do. Just that it's not something we're doing in this instance. Even if you don't count Bass and Johnston (as their IR's necessitate replacements who can't be cut unless they're coming back), there were still 4 IR'ed players before Sanders and Hamlin today. Meaning 4 people who are essentially placeholders on the roster, 3 of which wouldn't have been on it if Hairston, Hoecht, and Ogunjobi were available. And that doesn't even take into account someone like Brandon Codrington, who is still on the roster but doesn't have a role anymore and is easily moved on. Or players who could potentially get long term injured this week against the Falcons. All this to say that voluntarily moving Sanders and Hamlin off the active roster wasn't necessary. And with Sanders in particular, you wouldn't do that unless you had to. Getting the guys we need to get on was a cake walk before today. So it doesn't make sense that they'd IR Sanders and Hamlin for them. Especially now when we can't even dress any of them. People were saying the same thing about us IR'ing Strong last week. As if we'd voluntarily put ourselves in the position we were in against the Pats, where we had no choice but to stick with him while he was playing maybe the worst game of his life, all the while with Hairston not even close to returning.

I'm sure that's what a lot of people want. But it wouldn't remotely shock me to see them bring him back into camp next year as depth, just like this year. Theoretically, Ogunjobi comes in for Sanders after this week. Hairston will eventually replace the spot lost by Strong. Poyer could replace Hamlin's spot. So there is depth where we hopefully won't lose much. But we'd preferably be in a spot where we haven't already had 2 CB's, 2 DT's, and a Safety from what should have been our 53 on IR by Week 6. Not to mention LB's like Milano and Williams coming in and out of the lineup.

His contract for this season is fully guaranteed. There's no settlement to be done.