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SVPG is already on PUP. I don't believe you can switch him from PUP to IR. So I think he'll just stay there. With Hairston, if they felt he was going to miss the first 4 weeks or more of the season, they'd have already put him there. From all accounts, he should be ready by Week 1. Even if they sit him for Week 1, he's too valuable to the team to shut down for the first 4 weeks if it's likely he'll be back before then.

Had seen some people allege that we opened a roster spot for him by cutting Justin Hollins and Jalen Virgil but only signing Nelson Caesar. We just filled that roster spot:

No joke. If what Mary Kay is saying is true - then that means he announced he was signing with the Browns and thanked them for the opportunity based on a visit that he hadn't even taken yet 🤦

No need to apologize, never a bother 3rd. But yeah, even after the suspension, it's unlikely. No one's giving us anything to have Larry Ogunjobi for 11 games and pay for him on top of it. I'm not surprised they liked him. I'm not even surprised they decided to sign him after they found out he was suspended. I am surprised that they did so and guaranteed 5.4m of his 6.6m contract. If it were me, i'd have pulled way more guaranteed money than that and if he didn't like that, I'd have said "go see what your options are now and give us a call back".

I mean, maybe? Training Camp depth charts don't mean a whole lot. But combine that with Codrington starting the game and it's hard for me to say right now that they view Shenault the #1 Returner. Things can change and Shenault could be the lead Return man at some point in the Pre-Season. But again, until I see that, and perhaps Codrington being showcased later in the final games, I don't believe they view Shenault as above Codrington.

I wanted to hear Adonai Mitchell. As he continued to slide, word came out why he slid and I thought "okay, Keon makes sense then". Bc as far as what we needed, Keon and Mitchell were the only two worth taking there and then I felt there was a drop off after them. I was shocked to see Ja'Lynn Polk go 4 picks later but it just went to show how slim the pickens were if you wanted an Outside guy at that point.

My thing with this is Codrington is above him on both the Official Depth Chart and was the Main Returner to start the game in Pre-Season Week 1. Until I see him leading the charge for Kick Returns in the Pre-Season and/or making a serious impact there, i'm not ready to say he's going to be the guy there.

I'm not panicking. I don't expect Rookies to be finished products in Year 1. Things happen with injuries and slow development. But that's the point. With our cap situation and so much delegated to retaining so many guys (who should or should not be retained, depending on the situation) in the window we're in, we rely on these guys in Year 1 to be big time difference makers to take us over the top. Bc we can't afford to get known commodities. Guys like Coleman, Bishop, and Carter are crucified for not being ready quick enough bc we're *relying* on them. When a little more fiscal spending on the number of people we retain could get us players who we KNOW will be an impact instead of not being able to afford to sign or trade for them - as we have for the past couple years. Cook was one of the 3 I would have re-signed, but doing all 5 to me was too much.

First off, are you okay? You're reviving dead threads to rehash and argue a dead issue based on quotes from the player and randos, that is just time and again factually proven incorrect. But to move on to Ladd's point, of course he doesn't want to be thought of as a Slot. When the time comes for a new contract, they get paid less. But the answer to his statement is really simple - the "slot stereotype" comes from his usage. The stats definitively show, he's a Slot. Khalil Shakir is our Slot. No one questions that, right? Well his snap percentage from the Slot was 70% last season. No one takes 100% of their snaps on the Outside or the Inside as a WR. So our unquestioned Slot was at 70% and what was Ladd McConkey's Slot snap percentage? 65% There's a difference between a guy who "can play outside" and an Outside WR. He took 35% of his snaps on the Outside or out of the backfield (as Shakir took 30% of his snaps on the Outside or out of the backfield). That doesn't mean he can live there. He's a Slot like Shakir is a Slot. If the Chargers felt McConkey was an Outside WR, he'd be taking 65% of his snaps on the Outside and 35% on the Inside instead of the other way around. And likely more than that, as Keon Coleman took 89% of snaps from the Outside. If the Chargers felt he was an Outside WR, they wouldn't have spent another 2nd Round Pick on a True Outside WR this year to replace Joshua Palmer. They'd have just slid McConkey over and then Drafted a Slot instead. We didn't need a WR you "can play Outside" in certain packages. We needed a guy who could live there. We needed someone who could take 89% of snaps on the Outside, not 35%. Because we had 3 guys who were Inside or Inside/Outside guys, but no one to replace Diggs or Davis, save for Mack Hollins. And in both College, his evaluation coming into the League, and how he was used in his Rookie season, Ladd McConkey has not been that or done that.

The problem is you need to hit on those guys. The HOPE is that your Picks will be great. But to rely on them to take you over the hump is a big ask. Seldom do we take a guy in the first few Rounds that we don't feel good about as prospects, just as we feel good about Hairston (who's already hurt and who will miss Rookie Training Camp and Pre-Season, an integral part of Rookie development), T.J. Sanders, and Landon Jackson (who looked not ready for Primetime in Pre-Season Week 1). But we still have had misses, slow development, and injuries there over the past few years that have kept us from getting us to the Promised Land. You can disparagingly drop "names" to discount the importance of known commodities. But they're names for a reason. We know they're difference makers. With the current format that Beane applies to, it's maintain the core that hasn't gotten us there and relying on unsung FA's and lottery ticket Draft Picks. And again, I'm not advocating "blow it all up". But I do believe he goes way too hard on the "Draft, Develop, Retain" mantra. There's some players that we've delegated a fair amount of cap space to that could have been moved on from.

They're wrong. But the other side is wrong too. We can't just rely on Drafting well and hoping the low to mid tier FA's and FA's coming off injuries or down years will out perform the contracts we signed them to every year. Every year we approach the off-season and people are clamoring for difference makers. And every year we bring in the Josh Palmer and Elijah Moore's of the world - while most of our cap is tied up on retaining everyone. When I would discuss the issue of the cap for a major move in terms of the big 5 players that were coming up to be renewed, I'd often hear "let em all walk if you have to". I would say Beane's not going to do that and we shouldn't do that. But even I didn't foresee or advocate for retaining *ALL* 5 of them. That said, James Cook was one of the 3 players I would have retained. I think what he brings isn't as easily replaced as "just grab another RB". We spent years Drafting, signing, and trading for RB's that left us with a subpar Running game. But I am frustrated that the mantra of "Draft, Develop, and Retain" seems to be an all consuming thing. Especially when a fair number of Draft Picks at the top lately aren't working out and that the core team he's hell bent on retaining hasn't been enough on it's own to get us over the hump.

He's a lock. We signed him to a 6.6m contract with 5.4m of it guaranteed *after* we found out he would be suspended. We could have easily walked away from that contract after it was revealed he would be suspended for 6 games. Instead, we signed him and guaranteed 82% of his deal. There's no point in releasing him now. He's roster exempt until Week 8 of the season. We keep a minimum of 5 Interior DL on the roster. Which is all we have until Week 8 - unless you think Casey Rogers, Zion Logue, Marcus Harris, or Devin Brandt-Epps are Week 1 rosterable players (which I don't). If there's a single injury at DT before Week 8 (which is very possible), we're down to rostering one of those PS level players and relying heavily on a guy like DeWayne Carter (who looked awful last year). Long story short, he's exempt from the Roster. The difference between having him on the roster helping the team and not having him on the roster and weakening our depth is just 1.2m in salary. He isn't going anywhere.

No one's giving us anything for a guy under a 1 year contract with 5.43m in guaranteed money that's suspended for the first 6 weeks of the year.

No, KJ Hamler isn't making this roster. After Shakir, Palmer, Coleman, and Samuel - there's only really 3 WR's in play for the 53. Elijah Moore, Tyrell Shavers, and Laviska Shenault (only for his potential to be our Returns guy). If Moore doesn't make the team, than that means either one or both of Shavers and/or Shenault made it - depending on if we keep 5 or 6. I do think his speed, experience, return ability, and familiarity in the building makes him a favorite for once again sticking as one of the 2-3 WR's on the Practice Squad. But the 53 isn't happening unless something catastrophic goes down between now and Week 1. I don't think SVPG is going to be put on Season Ending IR. I'm not even entirely sure if you can put a guy on PUP (as he is now) and then switch them to season ending IR. He'll stay on the PUP list and they'll revisit the situation when he's healthy. When it comes to Hoecht and Ogunjobi, there's really no point in wondering how they'll make room for them now. Week 8 is a lifetime away in Football. And the odds that we'll have a completely healthy team and won't have a player or two that need to be made roster exempt by way of IR by then is unfortunately pretty slim. There may even be injuries along the DL that will allow them to seamlessly be brought on without anyone leaving. And I wouldn't be so quick to move Thompson off the roster. He offers a lot of flexibility as far as Outside, Inside, and even Big Nickel. He also provides a lot of experience and leadership to a relatively young LB core. And like you alluded to, we aren't particularly deep at the position. Especially after the release of Baylon Spector. The only way I don't see him making it is if they decide to keep only 5 LB's and they aren't ready to move on from Olofoshio.

We have the exact same roster 👍

I'm assuming you're joking here. As I said in another post, he's going to have a hard time even making the Practice Squad. We'll keep 5 to 6 on the 53 and probably 3 on the PS. And if you take the 4 locks of Shakir, Palmer, Coleman, and Samuel - that leaves 4-5 spots on the squad between 53 and PS for Tyrell Shavers, Elijah Moore, Laviska Shenault, KJ Hamler, Kaden Prather, Kristian Wilkerson, Deon Cain, Jalen Virgil, and "White Steve". He's really up against it to be in the Top 4-5 of that list.

I think the problem with Gosnell is where our WR core is lacking is at the top. Not at the bottom, where he'd have potentially made the roster and even the Practice Squad. He's been a fun little camp darling. But camp darlings are often a 50/50 proposition, even for the PS. If we keep 5 WR's - he's definitely not going to be above a Tyrell Shavers or a Elijah Moore. Even if we keep them both on the 53, is he going to be above Kristian Wilkerson (who has had just of an impressive camp, if not more), Laviska Shenault (who would be our emergency Returner), KJ Hamler (who has been in the building for a while and shows up in the Pre-Season), Kaden Prather (who we spent a Draft Pick on), Deon Cain (who is yearly the top WR in the UFL and we keep bringing back), and/or Jalen Virgil (who like Hamler has been in the building a while)? I think making the Practice Squad at WR is difficult this year. It's possible for him. But they're really loaded with solid PS WR candidates and they're only going to keep 2 or 3. I think he's really up against it to be one of the Top 7 to 9 guys of the 13 WR's we have.

Whom and for what? The odds of a player for player trade where we're going to upgrade somewhere is extremely slim. So if we're moving someone, it's probably going to be for some kind of picks in 2026. I'd rather keep the kind of players that we'd get picks for from other teams as depth rather than get stuff that isn't going to help us now. Unless it's someone we were going to cut anyways.

Alright, so now we have the same roster with the only exception being I have Shavers and you have Forrest. My feeling is Shavers can also be used on Special Teams. When he was initially brought on board as a UDFA, it was in large part bc they felt he could be a core ST'er. I recall McDermott saying recently something along the lines of "we know what he brings as a WR, we need to see what he brings on Teams" - which I thought was odd bc again, I remember them hyping up his Teams potential when they gave him guaranteed money as a UDFA. So I guess we'll see how he performs and is evaluated there throughout the Pre-Season. We agree that last spot needs to play ST's. I just feel that if it's close, it should go to Shavers given his performance this off-season.

We have the exact same roster. Except you have Darrick Forrest and I have Landon Jackson. Who I'm assuming you just forgot? I mean, I know he didn't look great in Pre-Season Game 1 - but cutting the 72nd Pick in the Draft after Rookie Training Camp is bold 😀

I don't think Hairston lands on PUP. From all accounts, he should be ready to roll Week 1. Maybe they sit him for the opener, but he's too important to put on the shelf for the first 4 weeks. Someone like SVPG, given that it's said he probably won't be ready by Week 1 and that he's essentially 3rd string Center/Interior - that makes more sense to me. Which is why I stuck him there. Honestly, with him on PUP and with the roster exempts for Hoecht/Ogunjobi, I was able to fit pretty much everyone who should be on this roster on to it with relative ease. So I don't think there's really a need to put anyone else there. And to your point on Lundt and Thompson, if not them, it would be someone else at those positions. As 5 at LB and 9 at OL is the minimum they'll carry at each. Ja'Marcus Ingram and Edefuan Olofoshio were the only guys that I felt were sort of tough cuts. But with Ingram, I have a hard time seeing us keeping 7 CB's (even with Codrington being a Returner). Olofoshio they may not want to give up on so quickly, so maybe someone is surprise IR'ed to return to place him. Or maybe they cut Thompson instead. Curtis Samuel... idk. I think he should stick. I see names like Samuel, Epenesa, etc. pop up as Trade candidates and I'm just sort of like "why?". Depth is a good thing. He showed up at the end of the year when he was healthy and I think he can be good for us. It's not like we're game busters at WR even with him. Why make us worse? And as I said before, I was able to fit everyone who should stick at WR, with him still on the roster. Do we really want to move a talent like Samuel so we can keep an Olofoshio or an Ingram? Or move him to keep another WR like Wilkerson or Shenault? Nah, I say keep the guy. Unless he's part of a trade for a more talented WR, which is very unlikely to happen.

Spector has already been released.

I think there's merit in wondering if Shenault offers more than Codrington. But it doesn't change the fact that Codrington has been above Shenault and was the main return man in the last game. Until we see that changing in the Pre-Season, I don't think it's going to happen.

The answer is simple - you cross that bridge when you come to it. By Week 8 (the 6 Week suspension followed by a Week 7 Bye), it's entirely possible (if not likely) that we'll have 2 injuries that will require PUP or IR and they can be seamlessly slid on to the 53. Injuries may even come along the DL. If we're lucky enough that there were no injuries, then difficult decisions will have to be made. But again, that's not something Beane has to worry about until the time comes. One thing you absolutely don't do is make room for them before they're available. Say you trade Epenesa for example. Well now you're down to Bosa, Rousseau, Jackson, and Solomon. And if there's a single injury before Week 8 - whoo boy. You're in rough shape. Especially with how much we rotate along the DL, the injury history of Bosa, and Jackson looking like he needs time to get his sea legs under him - that would be a terrible decision. Maybe that's something you think about Week 8 if all of the DE's were to stay healthy. But absolutely not before then.

I disagree with a number of things about your 45. I think there's people on this list that aren't likely to make it and people off of it who are somewhere between a lock or very close to it: - I don't think Mike White is anything close to locked in as QB2. I've said this before, there's no guaranteed money with White and there is with Trubisky. So for White to win, he has to so clearly be the better option that they're willing to pay about 2m in Dead Money for Trubisky and the 1.3m that isn't guaranteed for White on top of it. I think if it's even remotely close (which it is), they're going to go with Trubisky bc that's the cheaper option. I also think that him being friends with Josh also plays a role. - I don't think Elijah Moore is a lock either. I know we all got enamored with his off-season videos and his speed. But reportedly, he hasn't been very impressive in Camp. Meanwhile, Tyrell Shavers has been undeniable. I think on my list I'll be keeping both. But if I were locking in 5 like your list, it would be Shavers in and Moore out. - Forrest... Forrest to me is everyone's "I don't want Damar Hamlin here and Forrest is the competition, so he's in". I haven't heard anything about him impressing and he's not running above Hamlin in practice or the games. He's really shown or done nothing to say he should be on the 53 besides he isn't Damar Hamlin. I've said it once, I'll say it a million times, I don't think there's a bigger disconnect in player evaluation than with Hamlin. To the fans, he's terrible and he shouldn't be here. To the brass, he's a guy that they keep bringing him back and putting him in big roles. I'll honestly believe it when I see it that they feel like he can't even be a Backup for this team given his role last year. - And obviously, Deone Walker is making this team. I'm assuming you just brain farted leaving him off the list. We've never outright cut even a 5th Rounder the same year we Drafted them - let alone a 4th Rounder like Walker. All that said, here's my feeling on the roster as of today: QB: Josh Allen #17 Mitch Trubusky #11 RB: James Cook III #4 Ray Davis #22 Ty Johnson #26 - Reggie Gilliam #41 WR: Khalil Shakir #10 Joshua Palmer #5 Keon Coleman #0 Curtis Samuel #1 Elijah Moore #18 Tyrell Shavers #80 TE: Dalton Kincaid #86 Dawson Knox #88 Jackson Hawes #85 OL: Dion Dawkins #73 David Edwards #76 Connor McGovern #66 O'Cyrus Torrence #64 Spencer Brown #79 - Tylan Grable #68 Ryan Van Demark #74 Alec Anderson #70 Chase Lundt #77 DE: Joey Bosa #97 Greg Rousseau #50 AJ Epenesa #57 Landon Jackson #94 Javon Solomon #56 DT: Ed Oliver #91 Daquan Jones #92 T.J. Sanders #98 Dewayne Carter #90 Deone Walker #96 LB: Matt Milano #58 Terrel Bernard #8 Dorian Williams #42 Shaq Thompson #45 Joe Andreessen #44 CB: Christian Benford #47 Maxwell Hairston #31 Taron Johnson #7 (Nickel) Tre'Davious White #27 Dorian Strong #43 Brandon Codrington #29 (KR/PR) S: Taylor Rapp #9 Cole Bishop #24 Damar Hamlin #3 Jordan Hancock #37 (Nickel/Safety) Cam Lewis #39 (Nickel/Safety) ST: Tyler Bass #2 Reid Ferguson #69 Brad Robbins #40 Roster Exempt: DE Michael Hoecht #55 (Suspended) DT Larry Ogunjobi #99 (Suspended) C Sedrick Van Pran-Granger #62 (PUP)