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I don't know that I'd bank on it. But I don't think I'd consider it so impossible that I'd get rid of him for just a Round 5 to Round 3 swap of picks either. If that's the best we can do, I'd rather give him another year.

If he wants to play, he may not have a choice, wherever he signs. At 31 years old and coming off a torn ACL incurred at the end of October, whoever signs him won't be factoring him into any plans to start the season. And if anyone was jumping through hoops to make him an important member of their squad or willing to give him what he wants - he would have been signed by now.

This is one of the many things that would make the idea of his return shocking and bizarre. Diggs knows what fan perception of him was when he was here at the end. It clearly bothered him on social media. And it got worse when things went south and he went to Houston. I wouldn't think he'd want to put himself back here. On the flip side, Beane is also aware of how a large portion of the fan base feels about him. He'd be a hard sell to the fans. And that's not even one of the biggest issues.

Yes, I did. And I own that. Like I said to Spikes, that's more of an incredulous exclamation at the thought of of it than a guaranteed stance. Not impossible. But even the idea of it as a possibility is entirely shocking.

Yes, I did say that and have owned it. It's one of a few times I've been wrong in the hundreds of stances I've taken. No one here bats a .1000. But like I said on the last post you replied to me saying this (which you were wrong about), I really don't think you should be throwing stones from the glass house you reside in. But getting back on track here - me saying "bc there's just no way..." isn't me taking a stance guaranteeing it couldn't happen. He's a Free Agent without much of a market, our core is missing a WR, and the on field chemistry with Josh is already there. It isn't impossible from that sense. It's more of an incredulous exclamation at the mere thought of him coming back. I mean, that would be insane. After everything that went down and how it ended - to bring him back? It's simply an unbelievable thought.

I'm going to assume this is letting go of whatever he was holding on to. Bc there's just no way...

This vid gives me whiplash. First he's flipping out that he didn't sign with the Dolphins. Then he's laughing at us for signing him. Either it's a ragebait account or this guy needs medication. Maybe both.

There are times when I wonder if sometimes there's a bit of a disconnect between Beane and McDermott on players brought in. Or a disconnect between how McDermott views talent compared to others. Take Poona Ford for example. McDermott wouldn't even let him on the field. He was a pretty solid 1T before he got here. And then when he left, he blew up for the Chargers. Just signed a 3 year, 60m deal with the Rams. Yet he couldn't sniff the field for us? We trade for Amari Cooper. And while I think the injured wrist was the biggest issue, he wasn't used NEARLY as much as he should have been. Mike Edwards (again, injury issue early in Training Camp) was brought in as a potential starter. Asked for his release bc he couldn't see the field. There's been other strange instances where McDermott has underutilized players brought in or played less talented guys more than he should have. Ultimately, it's hard to complain with the results the team has had. But his usage of players is at times befuddling and bizarre.

Given the state of the roster at CB, he'd be worth bringing into camp. He's an 8 year veteran who has had 81 starts in 94 games. Won the starting gig in a competition in Cincinnati after leaving Dallas in 2021. Won the starting gig in a competition in Tennessee last season. I'd still Draft a CB high. But if the Draft doesn't fall right, having him in the fold would make for a better competition than just Dane Jackson v. Ja'Marcus Ingram.

You have to keep in mind that we have 10 Draft Picks and only about 7 roster spots right now. And that's not counting Hoecht and Ogunjobi. So probably 5 after week 7. And that's if we don't sign any rosterable players between now and the Draft. And some of those spots are depth where Day 3 selections are fine. We can easily go a couple rounds between picks. And with a few of the major holes we have, we really need to hit on the best talent we can get (like CB and 1T). Trading up (maybe even more than once) is borderline necessary. Even if that means we don't pick for a couple rounds.

If the value isn't there at 30, you go to another position of need that does have value. If there's a fear that by 56 or 62 the value also won't be there at CB - you move up from one of those spots. I know Douglas was bad last season. But we don't even have him and you want an upgrade from that spot last season. Filling that position with a competition between a Day 3 pick, Dane Jackson, and Ja'Marcus Ingram sounds like a terrible spot to be in there. Is it possible to you land on a Christian Benford who is a competent starter Year 1 on Day 3? Sure, it's a possibility. But it's way more likely than not a losing proposition.

I'm not saying it should be like 2022 where we force a CB pick in Round 1 bc the need is so great. But the need is so great that I absolutely hate the idea of not taking one until Round 4. The money and the market has dried up to a point that Dane Jackson seems to represent all I'm expecting us to do there. And as an Elam replacement, that's fine. But I absolutely don't want to be starting him (or Ingram for that matter). And if you're not taking a guy until Round 4 - that's way more likely the reality than not.

That's hugely unlikely. This is another Andy Isabella, Chase Claypool, KJ Hamler signing. A guy who had a Draft pedigree that busted out and is floating around team to team. He ended the year on the Practice Squad and that's probably his ceiling here.

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Makes sense. If you're letting DK Metcalf and Tyler Lockett go - you have to get something in that's going to move the needle and sell tickets.

In today's DT Market - probably not. Everyone needs them and guys like Ogunjobi are getting 8 up to 10 for a single year. The DT Market was insane. If there were decent DT's available for 5th Round picks, those deals would be being made and DT's wouldn't be as expensive as they were this year. There isn't enough good ones league wide that teams have them to spare for 5th Round Picks.

Hoecht he knew about and felt it was worth it, since he's signing him long term. Ogunjobi he didn't. I can't fault him for signing a guy who had a sterling record to this point and wasn't aware that it was coming. It's definitely unfortunate given that the DT market is barren at this point.

I wouldn't be opposed for a season as added insurance. But i'd be surprised. I know he's still performing at a decent level. But I think most teams are *very* hesitant to sign a guy who turns 39 this year - regardless of how he looked last year.

This is pretty much where i'm at. It's less than ideal, for sure. But with Hoecht, we still have Groot, Bosa, and Epenesa and it's still possible they Draft a guy in the first couple days. And it's not like he signed him to a 1 year deal. He felt it was worth it and it very well may be. Ogunjobi just sucks. We only signed him to a 1 year deal. But like you said - if he was completely unaware, how's that a Beane mistake? And also like you said, it's not like there's someone better than him out there that they could void the deal and in better shape. It definitely takes DT from a top need in the Draft to probably THE top need.

If we sign no one else of note, we absolutely can't go Defensive End at 30. With the additions of Bosa and Hoecht to replace Miller and Smoot - we've filled the holes at Defensive End and upgraded from them. But we have a glaring hole at starting boundary CB (and need another boundary CB to replace Elam), need 2-3 more DT's (unclear whether Ogunjobi is viewed as a 1T or a 3T here, but I feel Jones needs to be replaced and regardless we had 3 going out and 1 coming in), and a hole at Outside WR (Cooper and Hollins going out with only Palmer coming in). As things stand right now, we've adequately filled DE and S in Free Agency. But CB, DT, and WR are 3 positions that definitely need help. I know you should go BPA, but you can't Draft a 4th starting quality DE when you need that much help elsewhere. Someone at one of those 3 positions of need would meet value at 30.

He is honestly the #1 Outside WR left in Free Agency. It's him or Stefon Diggs (and that probably ain't happening) and then a pretty large dropoff. I think it boils down to whether we're keeping 6 or we're keeping 5 like we did the last couple seasons. Also where they're planning to take a WR. If we're keeping 6 and they don't think they're going WR in the first couple rounds - I'd be open to it. The wrist injury he sustained was recommended to have surgery on it. I believe this is why he was used as sparingly as he was. He has experience with Josh and the locker room and if healthy, I think he'd be a much greater contributor. But if we're keeping 5 and/or taking a WR in the first 2 Rounds - then no. But I do believe if we aren't bringing Cooper back, then we definitely should Draft a WR in the first couple Rounds. An Outside guy with Speed. As I feel like Cooper and Hollins going out with Palmer and a Day 3 pick as replacements isn't enough juice.

I'd think if we did, it wouldn't be in Free Agency. Or at least not anything at the level of a Fowler. Fowler isn't signing somewhere to not start. Same goes for Bosa. And someone would have to be 3rd there. Even without Epenesa - who I don't think we're in a rush atm to move on from. And you're not paying someone like Hoecht at 3 years, 24m for the amount of reps Javon Solomon got last year as the 5th guy. If we did sign someone, it would be a Dawuane Smoot, Casey Toohill type guy who wouldn't cost much for the limited role and would be fine with an off the bench rotational role, who wouldn't be guaranteed a roster spot. I think if we were to add at Edge, it would be more likely in the Draft after Round 1 if the board fell right. Then, maybe if the Rookie looked really good right out of the gate, we'd move on from Epenesa.

Okudah is perpetually injured. He's never played a full season in his career. He had to sign a 1 year, 4.5 million prove it deal with Houston last year. And on that prove it deal, he injured his hip in Week 1 and ended up spending most of the year on Injured Reserve. Played a total of 6 games with no starts. He's no one anyone can count on for anything at this point.