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Honestly, I'm at a point where i'd be taking calls on him. Especially in a deal that involved another WR. There may be a team out there that liked him in the Pre-Draft process and thinks they can get something out of him if used differently and/or as an added piece to a loaded core where he wouldn't be focused on. It's clear that on our team and the way we want to use him, it's just not going to work. So get out from under him before his value completely plummets to nothing. He's put some good stuff on film (inconsistently) and he's still early enough in his development.

He wasn't available. You guys won the Thornton sweepstakes after the Pats cut him in November of last year (we may or may not have been in on him then, but alas he chose KC) and then signed him to a Futures Deal in February. Then he made the 53 outright out of Training Camp. In hindsight, we should have tried to poach him and sign him to the Active Roster from your PS last year. But who knows if KC would have blocked it by signing him to their Active Roster or not.

"Give it up!"

There is likely no Lambo to be had. Olave was the only bigger fish that was thought to be had. But then that was squashed when it was revealed that they weren't only trying to extend him, but Olave is working with them to get it done. Only real shot was if he was telling them he wanted out and he's doing the opposite. Options like Waddle and Wilson seem unlikely to be traded. But even if they are, there's 0% chance that they'd move him to us inside the division with all the suitors they'd have. A.J. Brown was never going to be moved regardless of how disgruntled he got a few weeks ago and now he's calmed down anyways. BTJ isn't available. Even the initial report that made everyone go crazy just said teams were calling about his availability but that it was "very unlikely that they'd trade him". Since then they've come out and said they absolutely won't trade him. Jakobi Meyers and Rashid Shaheed seem like the only actual options and likely the best we can do. You can't force a team to sell you what they refuse to sell. And it's ridiculous to me with what we're rolling out and what we're getting at a number of the WR spots we have that people would be upset by getting one of them in here. You call it shopping in the Honda Civic lot. I've got news for you, a Honda Civic is world's better than the 50 year old Ford Pinto we have to push down the road. The grand sum total through 7 games for HALF of our entire WR core (Samuel, Moore, Shavers) *combined* is 13 catches for 164 yards and 1 TD. Let that sink in. It's ridiculous to me that people would complain about bringing in a Meyers, who's coming off of a 1000 yard+ season and who's low since 2021 is 804 yards, when we're getting what we're getting out of half of our core. It's like dying of thirst in the Desert and seeing a canteen that's half filled and saying "it's only half full so I'm not going to drink it". Meyers would be an upgrade over most of the WR's on this roster. We need all the help we can get and if that's the best we can do, you do it. Get a Shaheed or Meyers in here, activate Gabe when ready, push some of the guys who aren't getting open or providing literally nothing (like Shavers who's gone without a catch in 5 of the 7 games he's dressed) off the roster, and hope for the best.

Likely Davis isn't activated this week. Looks like he just hit the field and they're bringing him along pretty slowly. But hey, I was wrong about Hairston being activated, so you never know. Considering the amount of teams in on Shaheed and Meyers, getting a trade done before the deadline was unlikely. Even if we had, it's still no guarantee they would have played him on just a couple days in the building. But we're in on Shaheed and Meyers and that can still happen.

Who's "Jones"?

There really isn't an option out there that can take our Offense (specifically our passing game) from what it's been to "unstoppable". But that doesn't mean we should just go "well, we can't upgrade to unstoppable so why upgrade at all?". Like I've said in another post, there may be no 5 Star fine dining options. But when you're literally eating spoiled, half eaten food out of a garbage can (as we are with those 3) - you'd kill for an order of food from Burger King. Rashid Shaheed has proven to be a very dangerous, speedy deep threat. Just the threat of him getting open on go routes would be massive for us. It would serve for teams to not focus entirely on Cook and crowd the line - as teams know we have no one who can beat simple man single coverage. Of course it would take some time for him to go beyond just a limited route tree. If he's willing to put in the work (as Cooper did) and stays healthy (as Cooper didn't) - I don't think it's the massive issue you think it will be. The bottom line is that we need all the help we can get. Even a limited Shaheed (who has more yards this season than any of our WR's) for a couple weeks would be a massive upgrade over half of our WR core. We simply cannot continue with what we have and expect to compete, even for the division. It's going to cost more than that for Shaheed. Reportedly there are multiple teams in the mix for him. With the need many teams have at WR combined with not a lot of WR's available and how Shaheed has looked this season - it will likely cost at least a 3rd, straight up.

The grand sum total of HALF of our entire WR core through the first 7 games *combined* is 13 catches for 164 yards and 1 TD. That's insanely bad. You really can't do much worse than what Tyrell Shavers, Elijah Moore, and Curtis Samuel are bringing this team. That's not even taking Keon Coleman into account. You're not wrong that there are variables such as learning the route tree and developing rapport with Josh. But if whomever we bring in can stay healthy, I would be shocked if they weren't better than what we're getting from those 3 - even with variables.

Thanks for the clairification.

Yeah, I agree. The Bills don't tell anyone in the media anything when it comes to these kind of things. It's just Sal looking at the guys that are presumed to be available and picking one that fits best. And it's pretty clear that the only names that are obvous are Rashid Shaheed, Brandin Cooks, and Jakobi Meyers. By the way, welcome back.

My only concern about Shaheed is that he seems to be the darling of multiple teams looking at WR. Which means there will probably be a bidding war and our perceived pick is lower than most (although I'd try and argue it may be higher than normal). I want Shaheed, but could easily see a scenario where it would take a 2nd for us to win the sweepstakes. Which is a steep price for a half year rental. Hopefully if it takes us a 2nd, we can do a swap of Day 3 Picks or something. And that it involved us getting a small extension done beyond just this season.

Well they went with the 7th Round Rookie. Hopefully they also sign Davis. It always drives me nuts when they bring in a 1 guy who has a resume amongst a bunch of guys with little to no experience and then pass on them.

Almost assuredly to the Practice Squad. Doesn't exactly have the kind of resume that screams off the street straight to the roster. And we have open Practice Squad spots. I hope we still sign Raekwon Davis as well. It always seems to work out like this where we bring in a list of tryouts, one name sticks out like a sore thumb, and we sign the guy with little to no experience.

Solomon is a key Special Teams player. Which is why he's active over Jackson, who doesn't play Teams.

People acting like we have a problem at Edge. The truth is he was always considered a Raw prospect that would probably require some development and honestly, we simply don't need him right now. We've got Joey Bosa, Greg Rousseau, Michael Hoecht (who looked damn impressive last week), and AJ Epenesa (who has made some serious plays for us this season and is a very solid rotational player). Edge isn't remotely the problem for us on the Defense. Considering the failures of our Secondary and Linebackers - they're doing a pretty good job of getting home with the little amount of time they have before the ball is out. Jackson, like other 3rd Round Picks in recent memory, was brought in more for replacing guys next season (as AJ Epenesa and Joey Bosa will both be Free Agents) and for depth this season. We've surprisingly stayed completely healthy at Edge and guys are performing well. So, again, we just don't need him right now.

No one is saying throw him on the field right now. You obviously don't do it until he's ready. But he's on the upswing. With Joe reporting he was seen in a helmet for the first time from what the media is allowed to see and Sal reporting that he expects him to be activated soon. You understand people return from injuries right? It's like you're arguing that since he was hurt a year ago, he'll never ever return and won't ever be an option. He'll be ready to take the field in the near future. Did he kick your dog or something? Like I don't understand dying on the hill of "Gabe Davis shouldn't be our 5th or 6th WR". Sticking with what we're getting out of the bottom half of our WR core bc you didn't like Davis as a starter is biting off your nose to spite your face.

You have to keep in mind, what we've heard is probably just the tip of the iceberg. The fact that the friggin' Raiders felt he was too much of a problem in their locker room and that they'd rather eat 35.2m in Dead Cap just to get him out of there speaks volumes.

What absolutes? That Gabe should provide more than guys like Shavers, Moore, and Coleman? Really not much of a stretch. The grand sum total through 7 games for *HALF* of our entire WR core combined is 13 catches for 164 yards and 1 TD. You're insane if you think we're better off with that. We have to try anything available at our disposal to improve the core anywhere. He didn't retear the PCL in Jacksonville, but the Torn Meniscus did require surgery - which he got practically 1 calendar year ago. He's on the upswing and has been doing more in practice. Obviously, you don't activate him until he's ready.

It wouldn't shock me to see us sign one of each. The thought process behind Phillips elevation being that we have Larry Ogunjobi and literally nothing else behind him at 3T and we've used up all 3 of Phillips's call ups. We also have nothing behind Deone Walker at 1T. But Daquan Jones should hopefully be back this week or next. In the meantime, we have 1 call up left for Phil Mathis if Jones isn't ready this week. Definitely the biggest name on this list is Raekwon Davis. A former 2nd Round Pick from 2020 and a PFWA All Rookie team selection. Signed a 2 year, 14m deal with Indianapolis in 2024. It didn't work out, as he wasn't a good scheme fit. So if we play to his strengths, he should be better than what he looked like in Indy:

If you think we're better off with what we're getting out of Tyrell Shavers (one of 3 WR's active every game and has gone without a catch in 5 of 7 games), Curtis Samuel (who's only been active for 3 games and has a total of 3 catches for 35 yards), and Elijah Moore (who's been active for 5 games and has 5 catches for 78 yards) - you're either a.) insanely out of touch or b.) letting your hatred for Gabe Davis and/or retreads blind you. We wouldn't activate Gabe Davis expecting him to be "the solution". We should still go out and trade for a WR. But he'd be an upgrade over what we're getting out of at least half of our WR core. And we need all the help we can get. I used this analogy in another thread - Gabe Davis is definitely not 5 star restaurant dining. He's like getting Burger King. But when you're literally eating spoiled, half eaten food out of a garbage can - you'll take some Burger King.