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Yeah.... there's a huge difference between the media asking about the health of a woman who has no barring on the field or in public and was barely visible in the first place and trotting an accused r-pist on the field every Sunday. We could have said "we don't want to field questions about this". It wouldn't matter. They would never let it go and we'd be destroyed for avoiding the subject on a daily basis. Let alone the heat from the League Office for making the League look bad. If you don't think Goodell and the league office weren't putting pressure on them to make this go away - i've got a bridge to sell you.

Okay, so you would have used 2 roster spots on 2 Punters for 2 straight seasons? This wasn't just Bills PR either. It was NFL PR.

There's 'no way' of seeing replacing a guy who's an NFL All Pro selection at his position with a guy who has been out of the NFL for two seasons, has a half of a training camp, 1 Pre-Season game, and 1 Pre-Season Punt as his combined total NFL experience, as anything but an upgrade? I know we're all emotional right now, but I can see a number of ways it isn't.

I'm sorry, how does the bolded make me the problem? My man, you are out for blood and blinded by rage. For the record, in that "pitchfork" post you are referring to, I never said he was guilty or innocent. At most, I said the allegation doesn't look good. And it didn't. But I never condemn someone until all the facts are in and a case plays out. I wanted him to be here more than anyone. I still have my 'Punt God' Nike spoof shirt I bought after the Draft around here somewhere. I was sad when we had to let him go. How exactly is me pointing out that the situation went beyond just the "pitchforks" make "people like me" the reason it was a media distraction? I got news for you - if no one took out their "pitchforks", if no one said a single word - the media would have still went as wild as they did. What people said on this board had no barring on EVERY national news outlet, sports or otherwise, running with the story as soon as it dropped. The "pitchforks" coming out or not coming out wouldn't have changed a single thing. Beane still would have had to answer to the media and probably Roger Goodell. We still would have had to use 2 active roster spots for 2 straight year on Punters. Go ahead and take a bow for being in his corner the whole time. My point is your argument - is moot. Pitchforks or no pitchforks on this board, the situation would have played out the exact same way. Here or on another team.

We can talk about the potential of Henry in this offense and whether it would be wise or not to sign him with our cap situation. The point is moot to me. He's going to Baltimore. Baltimore is a contender. They were going to give up a Draft Pick or more to have him in the Playoffs last season. The Titans owner just put the caboshes to it at the last second. They have a barren wasteland of a backfield and now Gus Edwards and JK Dobbins are both Free Agent's. They can now get him like they planned, without having to give up anything in compensation. He can start there. They want him badly. Since "Vegas Odds" are all the rage right now to argue points, here's what Vegas says: Baltimore +175 Dallas +550 Philadelphia +650 Houston +750 We aren't even on the list. Like so many things being discussed of late, we're ignoring what's likely and focusing on the unlikely.

I mean... good for both of you, I guess? Whether you were someone who did or didn't though - it doesn't change the fact that we couldn't use two roster spots on Punters for two years and deal with the media distraction all the while. Everyone on this board and fanbase could have said nothing at all, it wouldn't have mattered. The result would have been the same, any way you slice it, with any team that drafted him.

Again, you and others act as if it was just us who had the "pitchforks" out. Everyone, from sports media and non sports media alike to all the other fanbases in the league, were all saying and doing the same thing when it came to this story. You can sit on your high horse in hindsight and judge everyone around here. But it doesn't change how it played out here and would have played out elsewhere. As I said earlier, there isn't a team in the NFL that would have saved a 53 man roster spot for two straight seasons on a Punter who wasn't here and another spot for the Punter who would be here and dealt with questions about him the entire time. Sucks that we were the ones who Drafted him and had to cut him. Sucks KC ended up with him. But if it were any of the 31 other teams in the NFL that drafted him instead, including the Chiefs who signed him now, the exact same scenario would have played out for them.

I'll take it a step further - there isn't a team in the NFL that wouldn't have done the same. You can be mad about it and say "nuh uh - it would have been just us because we're dumb", but I supremely doubt it. It was terrible timing and a terrible situation. Since it happened before he entered the league, the option to put him on an exempt list didn't exist. We would have had to use a 53 man roster spot on a guy who wasn't here and another spot for another Punter for two straight seasons, if we wanted to wait everything out. All the while it being a media distraction hanging over our heads for all that time. NO team in the league would have done that. And it was far from just us who had pitchforks out. It was a national story picked up by even non-Sports outlets. Every NFL fanbase and every media outlet had the same "pitchforks" out. Is it unfortunate it played out as it did and KC reaps the possible rewards? Yes. But this idea that we should have waited it out and never let him go - isn't really a reality. Whoever drafted him if it wasn't us, would have had the same thing happen in their house and would have done the same thing.

I don't know about that. Coming off his 2022 All Pro campaign, they were able to get him to re-sign on a 1 year deal worth 2.62m Signing Araiza could simply be posturing on KC's end. Make him believe they have an option in house to replace him come negotiations. I doubt he wants to leave Kansas City to begin with.

That's why you don't see a big time FA WR on the list. Guys like Noah Brown and Josh Reynolds are inexpensive veterans who have done some good things and have some upside coming here and playing with Josh. But they aren't going to be WR2. Or come close to the cost of Gabe Davis. They'd be replacing guys like Sherfield and Harty and surely, couldn't provide less. I like Noah Brown quite a bit. Young, had 1 year with an actual QB and did some good things - but was limited working behind Nico Collins and Tank Dell. Could end up being a steal. Partnered with Diggs, Shakir, Kincaid, and a Round 1 WR like Thomas Jr., Legette, Franklin, or Coleman - we could be in real good shape.

If they re-sign Tommy Townsend to a guaranteed contract, Araiza will most likely just be a Camp Leg. I'd wait until we see what they do with their All Pro Punter before freaking out. I don't think anyone signing Araiza right now are just handing him the job. He's a reclamation project at this point.

Doubtful any. With the situation we're in cap wise, we don't want to be taking on contracts that have already been written. We'll be Drafting guys and/or signing guys that we can fully structure the contracts to our liking on. But I don't see giving up Draft picks and taking on someone else's vet contract at the same time. You shouldn't want that anyways. Greatly decreases your chance of a 1st Round WR. I don't see him giving up a high-mid Round pick for a solid WR and cap space we need to fill other holes and then turn around and use the 1 on another WR too.

That's because we're Drafting WR2. Not signing them. A really good veteran WR2 will cost more than we can afford right now.

Tom and Brandon have an amazing chemistry together creating content. Both just seem like great guys.

That's certainly up for debate and there's no telling what the future holds. But he wasn't just the most productive Rookie. He was FAR and AWAY the most productive. Putting up 1486 yards. The next closest Rookie WR (Rashee Rice) put up 936 yards. That's a massive differential. Even if he'd be WR3 in a Re-Draft - the point remains the same. The Draft is a crap shoot. And it's possible to Draft a guy in Round 1 and Round 4 (or a trade up in Round 3) and end up just as well off, if not better, than a Double Down in Round 1 or Round 1 and 2. Especially so when you take into account Option 2 costs us Stefon Diggs, in his scenario.

Anthony's Top Bills Targets: 1.) DE Jonathan Greenard - Houston Texans 2.) DT Sheldon Rankins - Houston Texans 3.) DT Daquan Jones - Buffalo Bills 4.) S Jeremy Chinn - Carolina Panthers 5.) WR Noah Brown - Houston Texans 6.) S Brandon Jones - Miami Dolphins 7.) DT A'Shawn Robinson - New York Giants 8.) DT Malcolm Roach - New Orleans Saints Erik's Top Bills Targets: 1.) DT Daquan Jones - Buffalo Bills 2.) DT Malcolm Roach - New Orleans Saints 3.) S Alohi Gilman - LA Chargers 4.) WR Josh Reynolds - Detroit Lions 5.) DE Tyquan Lewis - Indianapolis Colts 6.) S Brandon Jones - Miami Dolphins 7.) WR Noah Brown - Houston Texans 8.) DT Austin Johnson - LA Chargers Interesting to me to see them share half of their lists. Great breakdown of some realistic fits for us when it comes to money and scheme.

These Rookies aren't sure things. We could easily be like the Titans. Trading a quality vet WR (AJ Brown) and getting a bust in return (Treylon Burks). Or we could move Diggs and end up with this year's Quentin Johnston. Or we could keep Diggs, take a guy like Thomas Jr., Legette, Franklin, or Coleman - and then come back in the later Rounds and land a guy who ends up being better than someone who was drafted higher. I know you're obsessed with the guys in the first 2 Rounds. But quality Rookies are often found later. The best WR in the Draft last year went in Round 5, while others drafted in the First 2 Rounds were underwhelming. And this year with the quality of class and depth, guys taken in later rounds would probably be taken a Round earlier in a normal year. Just because they look amazing in highlights doesn't make them guarantees. And Diggs with Allen FINALLY having someone on the other side who can take coverage away, in my mind, has way more of a chance to pay dividends next year then adding another Rookie in Round 1 or 2 instead of later in Round 3 or 4. And in turn, leaving Allen with only 1 WR he's ever thrown a pass to.

Well, you know, if we pay them 35 cents in Year 1 and add 72 void years....

That's fair. But I was merely responding to the point that our line was "perfectly" healthy.

I think I've replied to this before. While the sentiment that our DL didn't get pressure is fair - the "perfectly healthy" is not entirely accurate. - Von Miller was not perfectly healthy all season. He, like Tre before him, was not close to himself upon returning from the ACL. - Leonard Floyd was reportedly pretty banged up down the stretch. - Daquan Jones was not the same guy he was when he came off IR. As Joe Buscaglia put it, he was "essentially playing with one arm". - Jordan Phillips was lost for the year. Relatively healthy? Maybe. "Perfectly" healthy? No. And with the guys we had playing injured or out completely at LB and CB - he was able to get the ball out fairly quickly on the regular, making it hard to get home. And if AD Mitchell is available to Draft in Round 5 like Shorter was - by all means, take him.

I don't see it as a possibility. The only way I see us going DE is if there was an all time high run on WR's wherein a total of 7 (my current number of 1st Round caliber Outside WR's that I think Beane would consider) are taken before pick 28 and it causes a DE that should have been taken LONG before 28 is still on the board sticking out like a sore thumb. But even then, that would mean Franklin wouldn't be available for KC. Though there is a very real possibility that Beane prefers a different WR to Franklin and chooses them instead, with Franklin then falling to KC.

Steve Smith called Adonai Mitchell a "90% Body Catcher". Looking at some of his highlights, I see what he means. Bit of a turnoff for me. Though, look at that, Xavier Legette with a much lower drop rate than Franklin and Coleman. The more and more I read and see, the more and more he's becoming my odds on favorite to wear Red, White, and Blue.

So the Texans move to +1000 The odds of him remaining on the Bills? -300 Hit me up when that changes. The Kansas City Chiefs have the best odds (HA!) of any team beyond the Bills. And even they're 10-1 odds in favor of him staying here over them. Furthermore, I'd figure you of all people would realize how useless betting odds are on potential trades. I seem to recall you getting all excited that we were the favorites to trade for Davante Adams. I'll say the same now that I told you then - "Vegas Odds mean nothing".

They take bets for EVERYTHING. Of course they'd take bets on this. Place bets on what team Diggs is going to. Oh, he didn't go to any of them? Cool - we get all the money. C'mon, we're really using Vegas odds makers as a smoking gun now? Do you have have any idea how many players who aren't traded have this pop up every year? They made a killing on Davante Adams last year.

Save for a situation where Diggs goes nuclear, I really don't see a situation where it happens in the current landscape. Regardless of how you and others twist things, there's more holes in the scenario of him being moved that make it way more unlikely to happen than you guys want to give it credit for. The emotional aspect isn't about the player. It's about the nonstop arguing that not only should it happen, there's more reasons to do it than reasons not. And I just don't see that being remotely accurate.