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Nico Collins was 8th in the league in yardage last year and was Stroud's go to guy. They're growing together. I see no way that they'd not keep a 25 year old Top 10 WR who may be just scratching the surface with Stroud in favor of a guy that, as good as he is, will be 31 years old this year. Even in a Down Year Stefon Diggs, he was 7th in the league in Receptions and just out of the Top 10 in Yards. Beane himself said he needs to get weapons to take pressure off of him, which partly resulted in the Down Year. Even if he thinks he might be on the decline, he's still a difference maker. If there's a question as to whether or not that's the case, Houston wouldn't give up what's being talked about to get him. And Beane can't possibly be so sure he isn't a difference maker anymore that he's going to risk handing them a weapon that could come back to bite us. There's zero way he can be positive that would happen. Again, if he were to be traded, which I just don't see - as we still have to replace half of our WR core as is - there's zero possibility it would be to an AFC contender like Houston. There's zero chance he'd risk even the possibility of having to answer why he handed Houston the piece that beat us in the Playoffs. That's setting himself up for a fireable offense. Beane is too judicious for that.

Oh joy! You've found your ErieCountyBulls for this season and he's a poster on this board. Wonderful. I can't wait to hear "BuffaloBaumer said" up until the Draft, like it's some sort of proof positive smoking gun to this nonsense. Houston makes very little sense. They have Nico Collins, Tank Dell, John Metchie, and Robert Woods. They've spent a 2nd and two 3rds over the past 3 Drafts to acquire them and are in really good shape in that room. Now they're going to pay for Diggs' massive bag of money and spend a 1st as well on top of all of that, when their room is already very good and growing/developing? Now let's look at the next part of it that makes no sense - why would we help Houston? They, like us were one of the final 4 teams in the AFC. We're in direct competition with them. So now we're going to give them a final piece to help push them over the top? In our own path? In exchange for a lottery ticket and paying money out of pocket to do so? No f'n way. Even if you were to entertain the idea that trading him is possible or likely, which it absolutely isn't - we wouldn't trade him to an AFC contender.

Okay, I see, you're not saying he explicitly hasn't said he wants to be here - but that he's never explicitly said he wants out. My honest apologies. It's kind of the same thing though. You say he's trying to stir up something, which could mean a number of different things. But when he says he doesn't want to be traded and he wants to retire a Bill - exact words that negate the one possibility that everyone is giving credence to - it goes ignored. If he's trying to stir anything up, it's getting people talking about him in the Offseason. He finds a way to do that every year, in media starved Buffalo.

Uh, yeah. He LITERALLY did just yesterday. But we're just going to ignore him reiterating he wants to retire a Bill and doesn't want to be traded as recent as 24 hours ago - because then how can we talk about getting him off the team otherwise?

It really depends on how the board falls. 76 & 78 are good for 49 on the trade Value Chart. So you could have 60, 76, 78, and 128 or ~49, 60, and 128, in conjunction with an extra 1st next year. The problem is we have so many holes to fill at multiple positions. So we're going to need to come out with probably at least 2 starters this Draft. Waiting until the 49-60 range to make our first pick would make that tough to do. And with the amount of starting holes we have, odds are there's going to be a player of value at 28 at one of the many positions we need. However, if the board falls in a way where there isn't a player at 28 at WR, DE, DT, or S that's all that different of a prospect from guys in Mid-Round 2 - you'd have to seriously think about it. But I doubt that happens.

Yeah, PFN's Mock Simulator Boards are way off right now. They'll update it as things get closer to the Draft, but right now it's completely unrealistic to use them. You'll hunt him down for taking a DL in Round 3? You are aware that we only have 1 DT total on our roster right now, right? I got news for you - Round 3 is about the latest we'll be addressing that position with the amount of holes we have there.

This would be great. But I find PFN's board placement of Troy Franklin unrealistic. I don't see any way he's the 10th Ranked WR and available in the mid to bottom of Round 2. A lot of mocks and other simulators have him not even on the board at 28.

Today in his interview with Kay Adams: “That’s still family,” Diggs said. “At the end of the day, people kind of form their own opinion in regards to football. Josh extended his hand out to me when I got (traded) to the Bills. He welcomed me with open arms, open hands,” Diggs said. “That’s still my brother, I kind of get sentimental about it because he’'s still family at the end of the day. He’s always going to be family no matter how it shakes out.”

But, but... Josh would never say something like that ever. It's not a standard football answer 😆 Honestly, there was nothing wrong with his answer before. A standard football answer that Josh himself gave. People were upset over their self conceived notions of what they felt he SHOULD have said in addition and drew their own conclusions as to what his not saying them meant and punishments he should incur because of their own self conceived notions. Then when asked again, he hit on everything they wanted. /thread I mean, he did call him family and his brother for life no matter what happens. I'm not sure where you're seeing gaslighting and toxic relationship is in his comments.

But he literally did answer this question the right way today. He said he "hopes it doesn't happen". And Josh doesn't answer this question time after time. Josh is one of the top 2 or 3 QB's in the NFL. He's literally never answered the question of "do you think you'll be traded?" because no one would EVER ask him that. If he had to, how can you say that he wouldn't say that he has no control over that but hopes it doesn't happen? Why is that answer so controversial to you?

It's a risk/reward scenario. The fact is Josh Allen is like a 90-100% sure thing. He has the extremely rare ability to make a team have to account for the ability to throw the ball literally anywhere on the field and the rushing ability to score anytime he takes it on the ground. We'd be dumb to not take high percentage first down runs when they're there. As for the short yardage, you get a short yardage back to compliment Cook. Practically every team has a committee of RB's. The idea of an every down back that handles all situations is pretty much extinct. Unfortunately, last season the guy we got for that role went down for the Season early on. Hopefully we can find a guy that will stay healthy for that role next season. But even then, with Josh's ability and the percentage of success he has on short yardage - it's never going to completely go away. The Eagles have the same thing with Jalen Hurts. If a QB is good at it, you take the risk for the reward.

This was kind of a no brainer. He was given the starting job from Day 1, took the team to the Playoffs, and got a Playoff victory in Year 1. Given where he was, why would he want to restart somewhere else that could possibly be not as good of a fit? Why would the Bucs want to restart from square one at QB after going to the Playoffs and getting a win?

I find the commitment by some to search for more than what's said, outright put words in his mouth that go against what he's actually said, and then argue that he should be let go based on a proven false personal assumption even more bizarre. If you think him to be "annoying", that's fine. But being annoying isn't enough to move on from a guy and pay for the privilege to do so - when we already need to replace half the WR core as is, are deep in debt, and have a ton of other holes to fill. He'll be 1 of only 2 WR's left on the team that has caught a Football from Josh in the regular season (after Harty is released). In a down year, he still was 6th in Receptions and 13th in yardage by a WR in the entire league. He's still a Top end WR in the league. If he were out here ACTUALLY saying "I'm not happy, I want out - please trade me" - it would be different. But he literally just today said "I hope it doesn't happen". Yet posters are still saying he wants out and are throwing out trade scenarios to get him out of here over the opposite of what he actually said. To me, that's way more bizarre. As you've said, he probably will be gone in 2025. But now is not the time and making up reasons in your own head and passing them off as fact when it's not to justify shipping him out of town is insanity.

But he literally just said he DOES want to be here. So that point is just false. You can twist his words any number of different ways, but that doesn't supercede him literally saying "I hope it doesn't happen" in regards to being traded. Yet you're still trying to falsely manufacture he doesn't want to be here. He fell apart down the stretch in large part due to us having no one else opposite him that took pressure off. Rather than getting him help, you just want to move on? We're really going to ignore 3 and a half years of Superstar production for the last half of a season and call it a day? Ridiculous. KC traded Hill and proceeded to be Elite because they still had Kelce. They had 2 Elite weapons, not just 1. Also an all time Offensive Head Coach and this year in particular, a very solid Defense. He's not going anywhere. He knows it, Josh knows it, Beane knows it. It's not worth even talking about and it makes no sense to hope for it. I don't care how good the College prospects look. Unless that prospect is Marvin Harrison Jr, you shouldn't be hoping to move on from a Superstar WR known commodity like Diggs for the 5th or 6th best WR of 2024.

I interpret as a guy giving an honest answer to the rumors. He didn't say "where there's smoke there's fire" to a question about rumors that he doesn't want to be here. He was replying to the fact that there's a million "rumors" floating around that Beane will trade him. Pontificating "when there's smoke there's fire" when it comes to GM's trading players. The context of both interviews are really clear. He's said that he doesn't make those decisions and he's just focusing on being ready to go to work next season regardless of what's decided. In this interview, he elaborated that he doesn't want to be traded. Which is really the crux of everyone's outrage - implying by his lack of elaboration that it had to have meant he doesn't want to be here. At the absolute most, by saying "where there's smoke there's fire" - he knows that saying something like that will get people talking about him and keep his name and brand on the lips of people in the Offseason. Something he enjoys. Even if you take it as more than that, that would imply that he thinks Beane is thinking about trading him (which I don't think is a reality) and on that note, he said he'd rather that not happen. Nothing to get upset about. Unless you're a person that wants to be upset with him or wants him gone. Then you'll try and make it a bigger deal than it is.

I simply don't understand why you're trying to force a Superstar, one of the best WR's in the NFL off of the team for a lottery ticket that could completely bust or take a while to develop, all the while paying money to do so. On top of what it would cost us, the cost for a team taking his contract on is going to make it impossible to get anything of real value. It's like Davante Adams. Amazing talent, but when a team is taking on that kind of contract, they're either not interested or aren't going to give up much in terms of compensation. If Diggs is the kind of talent that would necessitate a "bidding war" that would have the team taking on his massive contract AND giving up prime compensation in return - that's not the type of player you want to get rid of. Let alone pay money to do so, when we're in the situation we're in. He's not going anywhere. For a guy obsessed with shiny toys, it's odd to me you want to get rid of our biggest not named Josh Allen.

So the uproar here has been that when he was asked (keyword - he was replying to being asked, not just volunteering to talk about his future) if he'd be here (keyword - not if he WANTED to be here) - he simply answered that the decision is not up to him and people felt he should have said more than that. Now he's been asked again. This time he DID elaborate that he "hopes it doesn't happen" - implying he wants to be here. Yet that's still not going to be enough for some.

With all due respect, I find it extremely hard to believe that everyone else who has looked at this situation, people who have made a career of it - are wrong and you're just smarter than everyone else. If it were really as simple as the only difference between keeping him and letting him go is we save 6.7m and money we'll have to pay in 2026 will be paid in 2025 instead, you'd see almost everyone say you cut him. But everyone from Greg, to Spotrac, OverTheCap, Joe Buscaglia, Sal Capaccio agree that it will cost us extra cap space somewhere and that the time do it is next year instead. If there were really no difference, it wouldn't have been quoted as a 6 year deal that's actually a 3 year deal. They wouldn't all be unequivocally saying that the Out Year is 2025.

Who is these days? Everyone has a committee of different style RB's. Very few and far between do you see an every down RB anymore.

I do believe we'll draft 2 WR's. But I don't see us Drafting 3. Unless one of them is a throwaway pick in Round 7, expected to go to the Practice Squad or outwardly cut. There's no way that we go into next season with 2/3's of our WR core having never played a Regular season down of NFL football. Which is exactly where we'd be with Diggs, Shakir, Shorter (who is essentially a Rookie himself), and 3 Draft Picks. Like it or not, there's going to be a mid tier FA veteran WR brought in. 4 players without experience is too much of a gamble. It could hit or completely blow up in our face. They're going to want someone who is a known commodity, in the event that the Rookies don't develop quick enough, to go alongside Diggs and Shakir. I also don't think it's fair to say Shorter isn't an NFL WR before he's even played a down in the regular season. You just never know. People didn't think Bernard could play MLB on the NFL either, let alone go on to become a solid starter. Regardless of how you feel, Shorter was drafted in the 5th - not the 6th or 7th. He's going to get at least a season. If he's healthy, he's going to be one of the 6 WR's on the roster this year. I don't agree on Elam. McDuffie's short arms and stature didn't fit what they were looking for. He's a Nickel CB. He's developed into a great one at that in Kansas City. But that's not what we needed. They fell in love with Elam and his notebook interview at the Combine. He was always the guy they wanted. If there was a panic, it was that they were afraid he wouldn't reach them and moved up to get him. I think given what Beane said in his post season interview, WR is priority one. If the value is there, that's where they're going. However, if it's like last season, where the last FOUR 1st Round graded WR's go back to back to back to back all within a handful of picks of us, and a stud player at another position of need is there - I don't think he'll trade down for a WR. But one things for sure, in that situation, he'll either be trading up to the top to mid of Round 2 for WR or at the very least staying put and selecting a guy with our pick in Round 2. He'd look downright inept if he didn't walk out of the first 2 Rounds with a WR after he talked up the importance of getting Josh and Diggs help. .... now that I think about last year, I'm mad all over again. Thankfully we got Kincaid and he's great. But I still can't believe it. I was sitting there thinking "wow, this is incredible. We're at Pick 20 and JSN, Flowers, Johnston, and Addison are all still on the board". Then boom, boom, boom, boom - all in a row. Just unbelievable.

He did need a CB, but it's not like he just settled on Elam and over drafted him based solely on need. He was the guy that he liked. There were other CB's like Roger McCreary, Kyler Gordon, and Andrew Booth on the board. He traded up for Elam because that's who he wanted. It just didn't work out. You're always drafting for need. Specifically in Round 1. Every team goes into a Draft looking to fill holes. You just hope that value matches up with your need. When it comes to Kincaid, it's also not like he went into it hoping for WR and pivoted to another position completely when value didn't meet need. Kincaid is basically a TE in name only. He's a big slot WR. We needed a weapon and he was the best receiving prospect left on the board. He just so happens to technically be a Tight End. The scary thing about this Draft if you're hoping for a Round 1 WR is that we have so many needs this year. We need starters at WR, DE, DT, and Safety (maybe two if we move on from Poyer). On one hand, that's good when it comes to value in our pick. With so many needs, odds are pretty good someone at a position of need will have fallen. On the other, if you're hoping for WR and the value isn't there and someone's sticking out like a sore thumb at another position of need - we may go that way instead of trying to trade down to meet value and need at WR. If that situation happens, hopefully we can trade up in Round 2 to get the WR we need.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised by the comments in this thread. Every thread about any player or coach since the KC loss is filled with people who just want heads to roll everywhere. This coach sucks, the GM sucks, this player sucks, this player is toast, this player is overrated, we should cost ourselves cap to cut this player. It's so exhausting. You'd think we went 2-14.

Holy hyperbole Batman. 28 other teams in the league must have 2 out of 10 or 1 out of 10 rushers then.

He was the 4th leading rusher in the NFL and a first selection Pro Bowler. What's not to like? He's a Kamara type RB who has developed well. Saw huge growth between Year 1 and Year 2. A bit frustrating to see him outright drop some balls that hit him right in the hands though, as he was Drafted in large part because of his receiving ability in College. Hopefully he cleans that up next season. Every back in the league disappears at times. Defenses key in on the run and the blocking breaks down and it's hard to run. There were plenty of times though that his shiftiness found lanes and yardage where there shouldn't have been.

Exactly this. If Von's out were this year, Tre's was next year, we were thin at CB, and in good shape at DE - i'd be saying keep Tre and ditch Von. But that's not the case. Tre's out is this year. Von's is next year. We spent a 3rd on Douglas, who exceeded expectations. I don't think we gave up a 3rd for just half a season. It doesn't make sense to make either he or Benford (who is the future, developing VERY well, and you don't want to mess with that) the 3rd CB off the bench. Nor does it make sense to pay Tre, even in a restructure, what he'd be paid to be Outside CB3. We already have a 1st Round Pick in that role. And we need money anywhere we can get it. The argument that Von should be let go on in a vacuum, based on how he performed last season, is a fair one. But outside of that vacuum, there are other factors that make that something we shouldn't do - until next year. I think logically, Tre being cut on an injury settlement is a no brainer. Albeit an emotional one. But in the position we're in, we can't afford to let emotions dictate things.