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There's a major disparity between OTC and Spotrac for next year's cap. I don't know if OTC is already factoring in what they expect the cap to be next season before it's been confirmed or what the deal is there - but Spotrac has us 17.5+ over already in '24 https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/cap/2024/

Yeah, ultimately I think that's probably what Beane is thinking right now. Or circling back to OBJ. Probably still monitoring the situation and telling them to keep in touch if their price drops. But I'm pretty sure what happened was they called and were interested when the word on the street was they'd have to take less than what Houston got for Brandin Cooks. But since then they've heard it's a "Christian McCaffrey" type price tag starting with a 2nd Rounder plus more picks AND the full hit of the contract. That's a non-starter for Brandon Beane.

The excitement is over because Arizona named their price and it's too much right now and nothing's getting done. Hopefully it drops and we can get it done.

You know, the usual. If we let him get traded somewhere else we're doomed and Brandon Beane should be fired. The cap doesn't exist and no one should care about what it costs. Adding him immediately guarantees us a Super Bowl. People with 25 followers are legit sources. Anyone who says anything but we're going to get him aren't legit sources. Tracking flights to Arizona the weekend of the League Meetings in Arizona that couldn't possibly be for anything but picking up Hopkins. We should trade a 1st Round Pick if that's what it takes. Threatening to boycott the team if they don't trade for him. Etc.

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I felt like a Tre restructure was the most obvious option going into this offseason. But they haven't done it. Looking into it, it appears we have an out in his contract next offseason if we wanted. My guess is that they don't want to play with future years in his deal in the event that he doesn't return to form or even regresses further and they want to exercise that option. They also restructured his deal already on 12/1/22. So they may have already done all that they figured they could do a few months ago. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/tredavious-white-21768/

I mean, i'd be fine with that deal. I just don't think Arizona would give us Hopkins for moving up 7 picks and picking up a conditional late rounder in 2024. That's a FAR cry from what everyone is reporting they're asking for.

Reports are they're asking for a 2nd plus more compensation. So a 3rd would be a compromise even from Arizona's end. In the end, I don't think it's the picks stopping the deal. I think it's Arizona wanting to do the deal as a full salary dump. If that's the case, I don't see us offering any more than a 4th, if we're even interested in taking on that contract in full at all.

The only way this is happening for us in the near future is if Arizona comes off their asking price in the near future. Simple as that. As it stands right now, looking for a Christian McCaffrey style deal of multiple picks starting with a 2nd plus a complete taking of a 31 year old WR's massive contract - Beane will not and cannot do that. We got involved a few days ago when the story was that they'd have to take less than what Houston got for Brandon Cooks. Since then there's been nothing and today it's that they're now asking for more than they ever have. This is why there's been nothing and will continue to be nothing, unless that price changes.

I have not ignored it. But you can't just take one part of a statement and ignore the other. That's not the complete statement. The complete statement was they expect something in the near future BUT that Arizona would have to come off their asking price. I could say "you'll become president but only if it snows in hell" and you'd read that as you're becoming president.

For the third time - that's not what was said. The exact quote was: "Talking to other teams around the league, they do expect something to shake out with a Hopkins trade with Arizona in the near future - but Arizona would have to come off their asking price. I've talked to teams who say that Arizona has wanted a second-round pick and more, almost like a Christian McCaffrey package that you saw during the season last year ... Teams aren't willing to do that as of yet" There's no saying that Arizona will move from their asking price. And if that doesn't happen, a deal will not come in the near future. One thing's absolutely for sure - if a team does meet that price, it won't be us.

https://sports.yahoo.com/hefty-price-cardinals-reportedly-want-192451574.html If there is a team willing to pay a "Christian McCaffrey" level deal - it most certainly won't be us. Initial reports that they were looking for a Cooks level deal or less was surely what made us look into it. But if all this is true that they've since jacked their price up to even higher than before, that's it for us It's been said we were interested "at the right price". This isn't that.

Certainly hoping for sooner. But as I said in the post above, it seems like they're currently sticking to their guns and hoping to get more leverage. Which to me will only come after WR needy teams miss their targets in the Draft.

Again - he said he expects it but only if Arizona drops their price. That's no guarantee. Article from Bleacher Report yesterday says they're waiting for leverage, which logic would say waiting until after teams have missed out on WR's in the Draft and are more desperate. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10069916-report-cardinals-broncos-waiting-for-leverage-in-deandre-hopkins-jerry-jeudy-trade

That's cherry picking and hearing what you want to hear. He said he expects it in the near future BUT Arizona has to come down from their price tag to do it. Which means it won't happen in the near future if they refuse to. Everything since yesterday has pointed to this. They want a 2nd plus more and they don't want to pay any more on the deal than they're already on the hook for. Currently, no team in the league is willing to do that. Surely us included. So until that happens, if it happens - we won't be making a move for him.

Again, you're speaking in absolutes in situations you don't know about. Who's to say Quentin Johnson, Jordan Addison, or JSN won't hit the ground running like Justin Jefferson did? No one expected Jefferson to be a stud and especially not that quickly, but it happened. How do you know a 1st Round Pick won't be able to put up the numbers Hopkins can at this point in his career?

Even if that's true, which I think many would argue isn't - after all Von and Donald pretty much were the reason LA won the Super Bowl the year before we signed him, that doesn't change the fact that the move was made. That massive contracts have been doled out to him, Josh, and Diggs (as well as Tre, Milano, Dion, and others). And now we're in a position where we may not be able to swing it. Simple as that. If Beane determines he can't do it financially, it is what it is. You can whine about it all you want. You can say "f the future". You're not the GM. And again, if it's really as big of a no brainer and as simple as you want to make it - some team would have traded for him by now. And the last thing we heard is NO team in the entire league is currently willing to. That says all I need to know. If it can happen, it will happen. If it doesn't happen, it couldn't. Regardless of how you want to spin it.

You mean like going out and getting Von Miller just last season on a 6 year 120 million dollar deal? Or trading for Stefon Diggs? He has made big swings. He also had to give Josh Allen a huge contract. We cannot afford to do big swings every single year. We can't afford to constantly push the cap credit further and further down the road. I hope this happens. I really do. I hope there's a way it can work. But if Beane determines he can't, and apparently right now EVERY single team in the league feels the same, then we can't.

The harm is that as much as you'd like to think trading for Hopkins means we're automatically handed a Lombardi, that's no guarantee. We'll have him for 2 years and be paying him for 5. And if it doesn't work, we've screwed ourselves further on the cap for 3 more seasons where we'll have to lose players we can't afford to keep.

I'm almost sure it's not the picks, it's the money. Arizona is only doing this as a salary dump. I don't think Beane wants to take on the full cap hits for 23 and 24 or even can even if he wanted to. And I don't think he's interested in paying millions for 3 years after his contract is over.

We will if it means we're costing ourselves players we can't afford to re-sign for a guy who hasn't been on the team in 3 years. And you might not care. But that doesn't matter. If that report that no team in the league is willing to pill the trigger, that means the demand from Arizona is by definition currently totally outrageous. As is this idea that DHop automatically equates to a Super Bowl win. It's not that simple.

If the last bit of info being sent out is any indication - there is NO team in the NFL willing to meet Arizona's demands AND pay for Hopkins' deal. So you may think it isn't outrageous. But apparently, every single team in the league does. It's clear you don't care what it takes. You've said you'd give up a 1st Rounder and add 3 dummy years to the deal which will have us paying millions long after he's off the team. But Beane and the entire league doesn't agree with that. Or else a deal would already be done.

Yes, I'm aware. I posted the original video. I was simply compiling all 3 that came out today as the most recent info - all of which pointing to Arizona's asking price being untenable at the moment and it not being an issue with Hopkins himself.

I don't think Hopkins is holding anything up. Seems to be all on Arizona's end. Today I've seen three things that point to this - This video from a Bills Beat Reporter in Rochester stating the people he's asked have said that we're interested "at the right price". If it were the right price right now, it would be consummated: This article from Bleacher Report stating Arizona is waiting for leverage over needy teams - which they wouldn't be saying if the offers they were getting met their demands: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10069916-report-cardinals-broncos-waiting-for-leverage-in-deandre-hopkins-jerry-jeudy-trade And lastly, the most recent thing, a tweet from a KC beat reporter saying KC is out as is the rest of the league. Which reads to me like teams started calling over the past couple days, but didn't like what Arizona was asking:

I think if we don't hear anything following the league meetings, it's probably not happening or at least not until the Draft or after. Seems Arizona is content on waiting until they get the offer they want.