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I get irked by posts like this. I don't give a crap what list Josh is or isn't on. I don't care what he's ranked by some pundit. We finally have a Franchise QB who's one of the best in the league. That's all that matters.

Absolute insanity to draft Josh Downs with Quentin Johnston and Jalin Hyatt.

He wasn't even the best Slot WR on the team last year. Khalil Shakir just had the McDermott Rookie Training Wheels on. And all one has to do is look at Deonte Harty's explosive playmaking ability and explosiveness in 2021, before he got lost for the year at the beginning of 2022, to know that this take is completely laughable. He was better than Isaiah McKenzie was last season. But Harty and Shakir? Nope. If the Bills brought Cole back, he'd be on the Practice Squad and only activated if there were an injury to Harty or Shakir.

You're missing the point. We'd have to use another Pick to fill his role. You can't just have Diggs, Hopkins, and Sherfield on the Outside. We'd need to get another solid #3. And we'd already be spending a pick or picks at WR on Hopkins. That's too much to put into WR with all the holes we need to fill, the draft compensation we'd already be giving up at WR for Hopkins, and with the money we'd be spending on Hopkins requiring us to fill those holes in the Draft. Trading away Davis just to have to spend more this season to replace him on top of what we're spending on Hopkins is pointless and counter productive when he's fine as the #3. He wouldn't be a part of a Hopkins trade. And if Davis is as replaceable as you say he is, why would Arizona want him and make it a sticking point? A 2nd may have more upside. Or he may take time. And why spend a 2nd on someone when we already have Diggs and Hopkins in the starting lineup? Especially when, contrary to posters on this thread would like to believe, we have a lot more to do to this roster than just create a Fantasy Football team at WR.

And some Bills fans think Davis is completely worthless and should be cut or traded after his promotion to #2 didn't go swimmingly in a season where he was dealing with injuries and was in his first year starting. The truth is somewhere in the middle. Davis was a very solid #3 WR. Solid enough that it earned him a promotion. It wasn't all the KC playoff game. He made many difficult toe tap catches before that game. Yes, last season didn't go as well as we had hoped at #2. But that doesn't mean he should be ran out of town. He should return to his role as #3 at least for this season, finding holes in the Defense with coverages rolling to Diggs and Hopkins. He's under an inexpensive mid round Rookie contract. If we had Diggs and Hopkins, it makes no sense to get rid of Davis and spend a 2nd Round Pick on another WR for that same #3 role on top of it. Especially with the amount of holes we have to fill at other positions, the need to fill those holes in the Draft after what it would cost financially for Hopkins, and the Draft compensation we'd already spending on WR to acquire Hopkins.

Not going to happen. We only have room for 1 top end WR. If we trade for Hopkins, we aren't taking a WR in Rounds 1 or 2. If we take a WR in Round 1 or 2, we won't be trading for Hopkins. We have too many things to do across the roster to spend a 2nd Round Pick on a WR who would be beneath Diggs and Hopkins on the roster for 2 seasons at least. We'd need to trade at least a 3 for Hopkins, so now we're talking using all of our Day 2 Picks (and maybe more) just at WR. When we have to (at least) get a MLB, need help at OT and Interior OL, need a 2nd TE, and need a DT (every single one of our DT's are FA's next season). And with what we'd have to pay Hopkins, we need to fill all of that in the Draft. And the team isn't going to go from thinking Davis was such a solid #3 he should be promoted to #2 to he performed under par at #2 in his first season starting while dealing with injuries, so we're going to bury him on the Depth Chart at #4. Davis is going to be here for at least this season. And Beane's openly talked about wanting to re-sign him. To trade for Hopkins and Draft Mingo would be to completely give up on Davis. And I don't see Beane wanting to do that. It's either Diggs, Hopkins, Davis, and Sherfield on the Outside with Harty and Shakir in the Slot OR Diggs, A 1st or 2nd Round WR, Davis, and Sherfield on the Outside with Harty and Shakir in the Slot. At most, they'd trade for Hopkins and Draft a developmental prospect in the later rounds - but your dream scenario can't and won't happen.

Most WR Prospects taken outside of the Top 5-10 are considered "Boom or Bust". There were similar concerns with DK Metcalf coming out. All prospects are not finished products and require coaching up coming to the Pro Level. The guys you listed are Slot guys. Maybe Addison can play Outside, but he's pretty undersized when you figure in weight. We have that position covered. As we do our Starting TE. What we need is a true Outside WR opposite Diggs and someone who can at least share the 2 with Davis. Johnston is far and away the top Outside WR in a Draft that doesn't have many of those. I think it would be crazy to pass on him in favor of a 2nd TE if he were to fall to us. If Johnston weren't there and if Dorsey was going to incorporate a lot of 12 personnel, I'd be open to Kincaid. But I'm not convinced the team is all of a sudden looking to change the playbook and run 2 TE sets when they've not done that. And the need for a #2 or #2A/B on the Outside is far greater.

If Quentin Johnston is available at 27, I'd take him over Kincaid. His size, speed, and playmaking ability is exactly what we need on the Outside with Diggs and Davis. A 2nd TE to compliment Knox would be nice and I think we'll take one at some point. But 1st is a little high given that we have Knox and it's a deeper Draft at TE than WR.

Not paying a 2nd Round Pick unless AZ is picking up a bunch of the contract. He's great. But I'm not giving up a 2nd and paying a massive contract for any 31/yo WR. Given the strength of this Draft (or lack thereof) - next year's 2nd is worth more than this year's. If they want a pick from that Draft, it's maxing at a 3rd.

Almost assuredly exactly this. Or simply responding to a friend's post. Everyone loves to read more into IG comments/emoji's than are necessary. The NFL is a community of co-workers. 99.9% of all posts are meaningless conversation amongst colleagues.

With the buzz that Flowers has gotten in the pre-draft process, I am almost positive he's coming off the board before Mayer and possibly Wright. He's not a fall back plan if neither are available at this point.

The reported asking price has been a "Christian McCaffrey type trade package" while also being a salary dump. Getting him for less than that AND expecting them to eat the salary on top of it is a BIG ask.

Gabe Davis is not being traded. First of all, he's on the last year of his contract. Teams aren't giving up a Day 2 pick on someone that may or may not be there the following year. This only happens when the team trading for him knows they can sign them long-term. And even then, it doesn't get done unless the trading team knows they can't afford their price tag and is resigned to not re-signing them. And I don't see that situation here. Beane has spoken of wanting to re-sign him after this season. He had a disappointing year last season. But he produced at a high level as the #3 option. Enough that they thought he deserved a shot as a #2. Even if they believed he failed there (or fans do), it doesn't make sense that someone who performed as a high #3 should be cut or traded because he wasn't a great #2. Also, you're suggesting we trade Gabe, our 2nd, and our 3rd for Hopkins and Mingo. That would be using both of our Day 2 Picks on WR. With the holes we have, upgrades needed to be made, and next year considerations at MLB, OL, TE, and DT - we can't use a 2nd and a 3rd at one position. Especially if we already have Diggs and Hopkins in the fold. Gabe Davis will be here this season. Alongside Stefon Diggs and either a 1st/2nd Round Pick or DeAndre Hopkins. But not both and certainly not without Gabe as well.

Why would they call up a guy who is openly campaigning to play for other teams? He'd just tell them no. Maybe they did. Either way, it's nothing to really read into.

Probably nothing or not much at all. In fact, it probably cost us cap space. He was only making 1 million on his rookie contract this season.

We're back on this. I cannot stress this enough - it's either Hopkins or a 1st. If we trade for Hopkins, we aren't drafting a WR in the 1st. If we Draft a WR in the 1st, we won't be trading for Hopkins. With Diggs and Davis (who isn't going anywhere this year and will not be demoted any further than #3 no matter how much some fans want it), Harty, Shakir, and Sherfield - there's room for just 1 WR on the top end. Maybe they Draft a WR later in the Draft as a developmental guy and still trade for Hopkins. But they aren't doing both a 1st and Hopkins. Zero chance. There's too many other positions that need filled. And you don't spend a 1st Round Pick at WR to be the 3rd or 4th WR on the Outside for years to come.

I want him to come here too. But a lot of things would have to happen first. One thing I thought was, I hope this has nothing to do with Stefon Diggs not showing up to OTA's. Hopefully it's just that he doesn't feel the need to be there or it's another issue. If he doesn't like the idea of having another vet proven alpha like Hopkins with him and it could become an issue with Diggs, I don't want to do it. If it comes down to Diggs or Hopkins, I'm taking Diggs 6 days a week and twice on Sundays. I'm sure the inevitable replies will be "if Diggs has a problem with it, trade him". And I don't want that to even become a discussion. Diggs and Josh are a proven commodity with years of rapport.

I did cover that in the last sentence of Paragraph One of my post you replied to. Right now, with the holes and upgrades we need across the board, we can't afford to use such a premium asset on a guy who would be no higher than Option 3 this year and next year. As for taking a guy who would groom for 2-3 years, again, that's not someone you take in the 1st Round at the WR position. Teams barely do that for even a QB these days. You don't want to be using up the majority of your inexpensive Rookie contract simply learning. And a 1st Round pick expects to play. There have been 2nd Round WR's who have demanded trades because they weren't being utilized enough. If you're grooming a guy behind Diggs & Hopkins, you do that in the mid rounds. And if/when one leaves, you draft someone in the 1st then. Not now. Basically, if we're drafting a WR in the 1st, we won't be trading for a Hopkins. If we trade for Hopkins, we won't be drafting someone in the 1st. There's just no way. Not to be that guy, but that isn't a significant development to anyone but fans. Beane isn't going to all of a sudden decide he can do it if he feels it's untenable and up his offer just because Hopkins likes us and he made it public. And if he's been in on trade discussions as much as fans would like to believe - he surely already knew this anyways.

Quentin Johnston Jaxon Smith-Njigba Zay Flowers Jordan Addison Jalin Hyatt Josh Downs Nathaniel "Tank" Dell I'd only be interested in the Top 4 in the 1st Round. Quentin Johnston is the best fit as far as size, speed, and outside playability. My hope is that the WR's fall as a whole and that teams go with JSN and Zay first and that Johnston is within striking range of a trade up that wouldn't require much compensation.

Johnston, JSN, Flowers, and Addison are all gone at WR, Kincaid is gone at TE, and Beane wants a MLB not named Drew Sanders.

No, it's not. Beane isn't going to say "He really likes us?! Well that changes everything, I don't care about the cost anymore!" It's nice to know Hopkins would like to be a Bill. But it changes absolutely nothing when it comes to whether or not Beane believes he can afford to do it. And I'm sure him wanting to be here isn't news to Beane. Well considering the tweet is about us trading for him, yes, him being cut would be a significant development. Probably our best bet to land him. But even then, he'd have to want to be here badly enough to accept less than what is out there on the market for him. And even then, less may still be too much for us given our cap situation this year and next year. Yes, it would be. But I still think making a contract work for him and us is the biggest hurdle. Even if they're willing to give him away, Beane may have determined that we can't afford the contract. And they'd not only have to drop their price, but drop it significantly. The current reported price is a "Christian McCaffrey type trade package". I'm sure our price is close to nothing because we have to take on the massive contract of a 31 Year Old WR. I'm not saying it's impossible that that's the case. But the idea that we've never been out and the tweet was posturing is best case scenario for hopeful fans wanting this to get done. Just as likely, if not more, is that it's just fact. We made a call, looked into it, found it untenable, and let the feverous fans know - unless major changes occur it just ain't happening and we are out. Juxtaposed with Beane's unnecessarily in depth downplay of how involved we were and the latest info on the situation from Adam Schefter - I tend to feel that the tweet was just fact and not posturing.

There's just no way. Even if Beane were as down on Davis as members of this board are (which he isn't), he wouldn't Draft someone in the 1st Round and then acquire DeAndre Hopkins. With Diggs and Hopkins under contract for at least 2 years - that 1st Round Pick would have a ceiling of 3rd WR for years to come (4th this season bc Davis won't be traded). With the holes and upgrades we need across multiple positions, he wouldn't spend a 1st Round pick on someone that would be behind 2-3 players. It's all the rage to say trade so and so before they become a FA (like Edmunds last year, Oliver and Davis this year, etc) and we lose them and get nothing in return. But that's what happens, league wide. It's not like every year you see a rash of teams trading away people with 1 year left on their deal. It's very rare and only really happens when it's a Superstar who they know they absolutely can't afford to pay their named price tag ahead of time. And even then, it generally requires being traded to somewhere that has been agreed upon with a long term contract extension worked out ahead of time (ie AJ Brown and Tyreek Hill). Teams aren't interested in trading picks for a guy who may or may not be there after a year. And Beane likes Davis. He's talked about wanting to extend him and at the very least, surely wants to get that last year of him on his super cheap Rookie deal. That's the whole point of Draft picks. At the very least, you have them for 4 full years cheap. You don't trade them away after 3 because you may not be able to re-sign them.

Von is expected to be back by the start of the season, if not soon after. We just re-signed Shaq Lawson. Still have Groot, Epenesa, Basham, and Kingsley. I don't expect another Edge signing. I think Lawson was it.

They WERE in contact. Since then Beane has downplayed their involvement, Tim Graham followed up with a report a few hours after that saying we wouldn't be trading for him "barring significant changes", and a couple days ago Adam Schefter outwardly said on NFL Live "No, the Bills are not trading for Hopkins". As for dropping his number, it is possible. But it includes adding 3 dummy years to his contract. Meaning we would be taking cap hits for 3 years after his contract ended with us. Which is not Beane's MO. And yes, we can come up with money. But we've already done a TON of that, freeing up 43.5 million. After starting at -18.5 over, that came to around 25 million dollars - of which we had to use all of it to fill our holes. Right now, we have enough to sign our Draft Picks and that's it. Coming up with enough to cover a massive Hopkins contract, which goes beyond this season (and we're over the cap next year as well) isn't as simple as you like to think it is.

Klein, Phillips, Rapp, Lawson, Dodson, Matakevitch, Jackson, and Lewis costs combined equate to significantly less than just Hopkins' contract. And you can't just have holes all over your Defense to add 1 player. We had 24 FA's going into this year while being 18.5 over the cap and having 6 Draft Picks. Those holes needed to be filled. You can't get Hopkins and then half a roster and be good. That's not how personnel works. Hopkins saying he'd like to be here changes nothing when it comes to Beane's stance on being able to fiscally do it. And again, if we were able to get Hopkins, we wouldn't be drafting any of those top WR's. Likewise, if we drafted one of those guys, we won't be trading for Hopkins. Diggs + Hopkins + a top Draft pick doesn't make sense. If we had Diggs, Hopkins, and Davis - the top picks would be used elsewhere.