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In Year 1. And what will that do in future years? What about the 17.8 next season? You shouldn't want a big move like Sutton. With everything we had to do before today and the new holes we created today - a move for a guy like Sutton would remove us from Round 1 WR consideration. We wouldn't give up Draft picks for Sutton, take on his contract, and then Draft a guy in Round 1 who's ceiling in Year 1 would be WR4 off the bench.

Considering we brought him back for the Playoffs and then cut him again in favor of a 50% Martin, i'd say he's, at best, a Camp leg.

He's just interested in taking victory laps right now. Never mind the fact that his stance from the beginning was that Douglas would be here along with White.

Someone who isn't here yet. Most likely a Draft Pick.

Our core is still here. Do you really feel that Tre White, Jordan Poyer, Mitch Morse, Deonte Harty, Nyheim Hines, Ryan Bates, and Siran Neal are what made this team last year? All we did was get out from under guys who were declining, injured, or didn't make an impact. With their exits, improvement is far more likely than decline with their replacements.

My take all Offseason was one of them was going to go. I initially thought it was White. But in listening to him at the Combine talk about the two, it felt like he was leaning towards Douglas. I was far from the only one who thought this. Let's not take a stance of superiority and post victory laps on multiple threads. You've been non-stop arguing your stance based on a report that we can keep all 3 and that's what made the most sense to you.

So much for "everyone says we can keep all 3" too.

I figured as much when he was released.

It was either White or Douglas. I said it all offseason. It doesn't make any sense to have 3 quality starting CB's for 2 roles. Especially when 1 of them is performing very well under a Day 3 Rookie Contract that is developing, 2 of them are high priced veterans, 1 has an out in their contract, and we have a myriad of starting holes elsewhere and not a lot of money. I originally thought it would be White. But after listening to Beane at the Combine, I thought it was going to be Douglas. But the fact remained, something had to give at CB for the sake of the rest of the roster. Sad to see him go. But as I said earlier - when you remove emotion from the equation, it's kind of a no brainer.

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I'd doubt it. The moves have included announcing McGovern is the new Center and Edwards was re-signed to start at Guard. I don't see Morse coming back to be a depth piece after being replaced.

The hits just keep coming. What a wild day.

Wow! This is a shocking development! Definitely did not have Connor McGovern moving to Center and David Edwards being re-signed and replacing him at Guard. But here we are!

It's really not. An extension for Douglas this Offseason never really made much sense unless you were getting out of White's contract. If you're doing an extension for Douglas, you'd be committing to him as one of your starters long term. He's a Free Agent in a year and with his resume, his agent surely knows someone will pay him to be a Starter. So they wouldn't accept anything less from us to deny him testing his market in a year. In Benford, we have a very good Starter who is developing and still has room for growth on a Round 6 Rookie Contract. You don't want to mess with that. In White we have a perennial All Pro/Pro Bowler under a massive deal to Start. The injuries present concern as to whether he'll be able to be the same guy. But Beane probably doesn't want to close the door there without first seeing where he's at. Extending Douglas now would have entrenched him as a Starter long term at the cost of either White or Benford starting before confirming whether White is done or not.

They chose to restructure Douglas. Which, honestly, in the last year of his deal - I didn't know was an option. Hadn't heard it mentioned by anyone. I think the change in tone at the Presser was because the question was specifically about an extension and Beane knew it wasn't happening. Edit: There is is. White's gone. Keeping all 3 just never made sense.

Not an extension, as of yet.

OR you can get Tre's number down in a non-guaranteed extension AND save 9m by Trading or Releasing Douglas as his money is also not guaranteed. Tre's number, even in a non-guaranteed extension is still going to be high. I get it. You don't like the idea of moving on from Douglas. Let me ask you this - would you rather move on from White?

Specifically the "Which WRs Hurt Themselves the Most at the Combine" and "Best WR Fits for the Buffalo Bills" sections had me like

He's just hoping. If he's heard it - it's not from anyone legitimate. What sense would it make for us to pay the insane cost to move up to 9 now when we don't even know if the player or players we'd be interested would even be on the board then?

Unlikely. And if we were going to do that, it wouldn't be until Draft Day when we know whomever we would want is on the board. That said, we didn't even bother interviewing Malik Nabers or Rome Odunze at the Combine. So I don't think we're interested in giving up a King's Ransom for one of them vs. what it would cost to move up a few slots or even nothing at all for one of the next group of guys.

I mean, unless they're super casual fans. It was pretty obvious to me before I clicked it what it was about. DE Josh Allen is a Free Agent and a Superstar. Our Josh Allen is locked up long term. So the annoyed logic about the title doesn't really compute for me.

The hype on him following the Combine is at a level where I've seen him discussed as high as Round 2. His ascension being compared to a Cole Strange like prospect that gets Drafted shockingly high. If he were available close to the pick we acquired for moving Bates, sure. But a Day 2 Pick for a starting Center a year from now with the things we have to get done in this Draft is a little rich for my blood. https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/uw/2024/03/03/wisconsins-tanor-bortolini-delivers-eye-popping-results-at-nfl-combine/72834346007/

Why do you hate it? Because he's 1 year older than your standard Senior having spent 5 years in College or the 1 season of production? That's what makes him in play for us, honestly. If he had come out after Year 3 at age 21 instead of Year 5 at 23 and had a big multiyear resume of production - he'd be a sure fire Top 10 pick. The NFL is littered with guys who had 1 year of production or guys who had very little production in College and flourished because of their traits and scheme fit. Picking where we are, you're not going to find a WR with his speed, build, and playmaking ability without a couple questions marks. And in my opinion, the Pros outweigh the Cons.

Agreed. I always saw the options as: a.) We keep them both. Restructure to Morse and pay cut to Bates. b.) We keep Morse on a restructure, but move on from Bates in his out year. c.) We keep Bates, cut Morse. I never saw a scenario where we moved on from both and started from scratch. I saw options A & B as the most likely, but wouldn't have had an issue with C either. But then, as i've said, I listened to Beane at the Combine say multiple times unprompted "last year was the best OL I've had since I've been here". In hearing that, it was pretty clear to me he wasn't going to replace people on the Starting 5 and mess with the continuity. And now they've moved on from Bates. If you're someone who's hoping for an Outright cut of Morse at 8.5m saved v. a restructuring that can save us 5m - you're pounding the table for something I see as EXTREMELY unlikely. If he were to have no possibility of saving money any other way than a release or he performed poorly last season, it would be a no brainer. But those things don't apply and if they had - we'd have kept Bates. The Chiefs aren't exactly following suit. There's a major difference between cutting a player and saving 3.49m before the decline hits based solely on age and the Tyreek Hill and L'Jarius Sneed situations. In Tyreek Hill, they wanted him back. They just weren't interested in paying him the $120m contract he would get in Miami. The same goes for Sneed. They have a number they're willing to pay and have made it known that if they can't agree on that number - they'll move him the same way. Those aren't comparable situations to cutting someone under contract for a differential of 3.49m. Nor is the situation of the Chiefs or the Patriots where they are/were when they did these things v. where The Bills are now. The Chiefs and the Pats at the time of doing some of these moves had won Lombardi's already. When you've gotten a Championship or multiple already, it's easier to be a little more risk taking with the moves you make at certain spots. There's a built in equity when it comes to a Dynasty taking risks that doesn't apply here. If we choose to jump the gun Belichick style at a position, betting on the decline coming before it happens, and the OL takes a step back and/or the new guy and Josh have bad snaps due to unfamiliarity - it's a lot worse in the situation we're in than a team that has hoisted the trophy already.